When I quit a while ago, It was always R10 ursans/2-3 HB monks.
or ursans/terras/HB for speed UW.
EDIT: I also heard there was an ursan nerf of some sort, so i'm just wondering if PUGs are completely different now :3
What are pugs made up of now?
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Shayne Hawke
PUGs are pretty much just PUGs now. I think perma-sins are more common in a few places now, but that's pretty much it.
nameless bond
Pre ursan I used a lot of PUG's and they were normally pretty good, then Ursan is here and well, everything was easy,
post ursan I have not had a single completed mission from a PUG they are bad right now, I've been H/Hing everything and doing things quicker,
post ursan I have not had a single completed mission from a PUG they are bad right now, I've been H/Hing everything and doing things quicker,
zelgadissan
Snips and snails and mass amounts of fails.
Generally from what I've seen now the only requirement in a pug is two monks, unless you're doing something like an elite area. Then you start getting your permasins, obsidian fleshies, blahdeblahdeblah.
Generally from what I've seen now the only requirement in a pug is two monks, unless you're doing something like an elite area. Then you start getting your permasins, obsidian fleshies, blahdeblahdeblah.
Nessar
Usually in elite areas it's permasin, cryer, some ele tank, hb monks.
Cookie cutter builds for everyone
. Not like they weren't avalible before Ursan >>
Cookie cutter builds for everyone
dilan155
its pretty much what it was before Ursan, cons are still used in elite places, sins are common in most groups, memsers are used in Voltaic spear runs, monks are divine, wars still used. paras sometime, the rest are used as they become available.
Accursed
It's the same as it was before Ursan.
Cookie cutter builds.
Cookie cutter builds.
Javeron
Had a smiter monk try to come along for Frostmaw's. Left the group shortly thereafter.
Other than that, PUG's in my experience have actually gotten better, probably from the buffs of Eye.
Other than that, PUG's in my experience have actually gotten better, probably from the buffs of Eye.
Valcion
PUG in general seems to be competent even after the Ursan nerf. Then again, I usually form the PUGs so I get to kick out the idiots 
Cobalt
Skills have been nerfed so much since the games release it has now gotten to the point where most will not even bother trying to pug let alone pug in HM, they pay for runs instead. Many of them driven to gold for cash sellers to pay for runs just so they can progress through the game.
Yes there have been buffs too but its the " take a dollar (nerf) and give you a shiny nickel (buff) in return" it is always far far less then what they take.
Thus, for all intents and purposes they have completely rendered half of the classes useless to pugs because they can not offer anything better or even equal to the other half.
As a result pugs are worse most still want the standard 2 monks, 2 eles, 2-3 wars, an MM and or Ranger. Where with the pre-nerf Ursan any class could go as long as they had a medium-high Norn rank. You can't blame either puggers as they just want the highest chance for success.
This has also led to having some areas where you have to be a specific class with a specific build, runes, and weapons to even be considered for a pug.
Yes there have been buffs too but its the " take a dollar (nerf) and give you a shiny nickel (buff) in return" it is always far far less then what they take.
Thus, for all intents and purposes they have completely rendered half of the classes useless to pugs because they can not offer anything better or even equal to the other half.
As a result pugs are worse most still want the standard 2 monks, 2 eles, 2-3 wars, an MM and or Ranger. Where with the pre-nerf Ursan any class could go as long as they had a medium-high Norn rank. You can't blame either puggers as they just want the highest chance for success.
This has also led to having some areas where you have to be a specific class with a specific build, runes, and weapons to even be considered for a pug.
Molock
PuGs are made of fail.. nowadays all you see (in elite missions) are perma-sins, terras, CoP mesmers, monks and if the PuG is old school an OB flesh warrior and 5 ele's.... if you actually find a PuG using some non-gimmick team build they will probably fall apart when one of the players get offended by pretty much nothing and causes a massive argument which causes everyone to leave.
DarkGanni
Cryers and Perma sins, sometimes also FoC necros.
more /fail at creativity imo.
more /fail at creativity imo.
fear the ear
your average tank, nuker, monk and random blow shit up builds
Wrath of m0o
IMO Pugs are made up of leechers and people that got ran through the game and have no idea how to asemble a build that wasnt pinged to them.
2 players + 6 hero's FTW.
Just say no to PuGs.
Give us 7/8 Heros.
2 players + 6 hero's FTW.
Just say no to PuGs.
Give us 7/8 Heros.
FlamingMetroid
failure, that's what they're made of
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PUGs are now made up of shit players... like they always were - they just don't have ursan anymore to try and make themselves look good.
Solas
Lies and false promises
They really are not worth the troubble
They really are not worth the troubble
naughteblonde
Lipstick, Vaseline and rubber wallpaper.
Or in my experience 1 perma, 1 ranger, 4 eles/mes, 2 monks.
Or in my experience 1 perma, 1 ranger, 4 eles/mes, 2 monks.
Lyynyyrd
Idiots who need to ask for guidance on the forums.
In the wrong section.
In the wrong section.
germanturkey
wow, whats with all the pug hate.. its usually w/e is available in the outpost plus monk heroes.. (cause you know those are hard to find..) it usually works out alright. unless you have a REALLY big idiot.
Zahr Dalsk
The PUGs are made up of idiots now.
Actually, "now" is a bit of a misleading term; it implies there was a time when a PUG was for anything other than failure. Such a time has never existed.
Actually, "now" is a bit of a misleading term; it implies there was a time when a PUG was for anything other than failure. Such a time has never existed.
illidan009
Yeah perma is more common in Voltaic Spear farming in Umbral Grotto...not much have changed I guess :/
Shasgaliel
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I am quite amazed how people who do not PUG have such extensive knowledge on them.
@OP Most PUGs are now in TOA for UW or FOW and in umbrals grotto for VS farm. There are still PUGs for some dungeons and some harder missions and often even for easier ones as well. You still have SS/LB farm pugs Usually for the missions they do not ask any special rank and do not ask for a special build however you have to have a decent build to get in into many. I Pugged some Cantha missions with my noSF sin recently and it all went well.
Stolen Souls
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If you didn't PUG anything recently how do you know?
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Perhaps he occasionally joins one, for the lulz. If I've had a few drinks and don't have anything planned, I'll occasionally join one, to be entertained by the ensuing hilarity. And sadly he is right, almost all of them still fail just as hard as they always have.
As for what they are made of...8 random players of anything they can get (often no monks, or hench monks).
Shasgaliel
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Perhaps he occasionally joins one, for the lulz. If I've had a few drinks and don't have anything planned, I'll occasionally join one, to be entertained by the ensuing hilarity. And sadly he is right, almost all of them still fail just as hard as they always have.
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kratimas
If you love the fresh smell of FAIL in the morning, join a PUG and you will see what they are made of
Stolen Souls
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If you join a PUG you are a part of it and its success is determined also by your skill and your gameplay as well.
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I have occasionally gotten into some very good random groups, too. But the keyword is "occasionally", as in...once in a blue moon. For the most part, as sad as it is...random PuGs ARE fail. :/ Time after time of frustration is not made up for by the very occasional decent group, imo.
bigtime102
You hate pugs? wait till gw2 with a persistan world its going to be one giant pug ... whatever as long as theres free for all pvp to make sure the public idiots behave.
fireflyry
PuG's only "fail" due to the expectation of "must win, no deaths, or else" that seems to predominate in the GW community imo.It's the overall philosophy of "Must complete goal as quickly as possible and perfectly" and the unrealistic expectations placed on new or casual players that seems to create much of the animosity towards PuG's, at least from what I have experienced.
There's little to no tolerance for new, inexperienced or just plain clueless players and any error is usually responded to with insults of "stupid noob!!" or some such insult followed by attempts at making players feel inferior or useless, often merely because they haven't done the mission ten thousand times like others have.
It's this reason that often makes me spend a few hours helping out on early game missions once a week.I enjoy the fact there is politeness and more of a philosophy to have fun.If you wipe it's not the end of the world and everyone is playing for the actual enjoyment of the game as opposed to just "getting it over with" as quickly as possible.It's a nice break from the overall mentality of high-end where GW is such seriously serious business.
It actually reminds me why I enjoyed GW and pugging in the first place.
In conclusion I think PuG's are only as "fail" as the expectations invidual players place on them.
There's little to no tolerance for new, inexperienced or just plain clueless players and any error is usually responded to with insults of "stupid noob!!" or some such insult followed by attempts at making players feel inferior or useless, often merely because they haven't done the mission ten thousand times like others have.
It's this reason that often makes me spend a few hours helping out on early game missions once a week.I enjoy the fact there is politeness and more of a philosophy to have fun.If you wipe it's not the end of the world and everyone is playing for the actual enjoyment of the game as opposed to just "getting it over with" as quickly as possible.It's a nice break from the overall mentality of high-end where GW is such seriously serious business.
It actually reminds me why I enjoyed GW and pugging in the first place.
In conclusion I think PuG's are only as "fail" as the expectations invidual players place on them.
Red Sonya
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PUG in general seems to be competent even after the Ursan nerf. Then again, I usually form the PUGs so I get to kick out the idiots
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Stockholm
Same crap as before, perhaps a few more hoarders and no lifers trying to keep up the apperence of a healthy game.
glacialphoenix
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There's little to no tolerance for new, inexperienced or just plain clueless players and any error is usually responded to with insults of "stupid noob!!" or some such insult followed by attempts at making players feel inferior or useless, often merely because they haven't done the mission ten thousand times like others have.
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If you PUG, you do run the risk of meeting someone who is bad enough to make you frustrated, and I've gotten frustrated over that many times before. But it's the people who scream OMFGNOOB /ragequit the moment one thing goes wrong that annoy me the most. I'm not about to hop into a PUG just to hear someone scream abuse at the rest of the party.
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Kusandaa
Made of... less bad people these days, well for me anyways. Some are still horribaed, but I've had a ton of pleasant PUGs these days. Mostly been doing VS farming and some HA with friends (yes, I've had finally had idiot-less HA PUGs).
A11Eur0
Me and one or two other people....my Mo/Me prot/int monk, my D/N orders derv, my earth warder, their random assorted heroes. If I'm alone, sab necros unless it's something they would suck at.