Paragons and Sabway

greenreaper3

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hey everyone. i just got the build for Sabway, along with heros, and runes. now, i must know

what are some good build for me, the paragon to use that will be good with Sabway?

im currently using wiki's SoR.. cause im noob like that lol

any suggestions are welcome, thanks

Luminarus

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With sabway you can pretty much run anything you want. A good bet would be a stunning strike build, cruel spear build, or the always faithful imbagon.

Richardt

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Sabway doesn't really matter what class you are when you use it-in fact it pretty synergizes with itself and leaves you out of the loop.

SoR won't really do much-so I'd go with what Luminarus suggested. Another alternative is that since Sabway lacks condition/hex removal, you can run [Song of Purification] and [hexbreaker aria] to make up for that lack (provided you're not running Imbagon of course).

EDIT: gwBBC code doesn't seem to be working

aleaf92

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There is also a sticky called "my paragon's buddies". That would be better for you b/c it focuses around a paragon.

Richardt

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Must be an updated Sabway-I used it when it first came out and it didn't have any condition removal on it, outside of that one Ritualist heal (can't think of the name).

dilan155

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well i VQed a 4 man area today, and i ran a song of resto para and it worked out very well. When running with a larger party area you should switch it out for a good source of hex removal, you can use signet of removal from the monk line as an excellent source of hex and condition removal.

MercenaryKnight

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Empathic removal is a better elite imo for a paragon.

Luminarus

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Yeah, it was added in at the time they updated foul feast... musta been about 6 months ago now. I usually replace signet of lost souls on the healer for it. Coz of that, theres no need for mend body and soul now, so i made my own N/Mo version which im very happy with.

Usually I run with sabway, me, 1 hench monk, 1 hench earth ele, 2 ranged hench. Works fine most of the time, although I havent done much cantha or any tyria yet, so their hench builds mightnt work. In 4 man areas one healer should cut it... dont really need to go motigon imo.

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play an imbagon, as usual. no other paragon builds compare in terms of effectiveness.

greenreaper3

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imbagon it is

Luminarus

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I wish people would stop suggesting imbagon as the be all and end all of builds. Yes it helps, Yes it is great. No it doesnt replace all paragon builds... Hell, its boring after a short period as well. A monkey can spam all skills on recharge as well as a human can... well near enough.

Richardt

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In terms of damage reduction you can't compete with Imbagon. But in terms of being a DPS paragon, there's plenty of room for improvement.

Imbagon is fun, but it does get dull and stale after a while. That's why it's good to change things up with another build (I've been loving [[cruel spear] myself lately).

Silversword22

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An imbagon works great in any situation, but if you're using sabway, I think you'll be okay without it, even in HM. I personally don't use sabway as much (since I love my para heroes ) but when I did I used stunning strike. You have other non-elite options to induce deep wound. Besides since you're using a lot of casters, why not bring defensive anthem?

dilan155

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besides when running damage isn't really your biggest concern, its more hexes and stuff, and the only reason i ran song of resto build was there wasn't that many hexes or conditions in that area and i though why not use an extra heal. and if you really dont need another support you can run a cruel spear para, same setup as an imbagon except cruel spear is the one being spammed, its fairly efficient.

Richardt

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But good healing, good placement and decent builds will make up for a lack of an imbagon. A strong source of damage can turn the battle more than massive damage negation. It really boils down to the situation that you're in.

Like I said before, in terms of damage negation, the Imbagon has no peer. But in terms of other kinds of support, there are better builds (and here I'm taking support to mean buffing damage as well).

In summary, you can run Imbagon and be effective everywhere, but you can achieve the same thing by playing smart.

greenreaper3

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Silversword22 View Post
An imbagon works great in any situation, but if you're using sabway, I think you'll be okay without it, even in HM. I personally don't use sabway as much (since I love my para heroes ) but when I did I used stunning strike. You have other non-elite options to induce deep wound. Besides since you're using a lot of casters, why not bring defensive anthem?
Defensive Anthem... thats not a bad idea

ill have to give that a shot sometime

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit View Post
Exactly. I dont think sabway is the ideal team build for an Imbagon, since it lacks hex removal.

Rac's Paragon buddies team build is more suitable with Orders from the derv hero and Anthems from the other Paragon heroes. can you send me a link for Rac's Paragon Buddies or w/e? ill have to check that out

germanturkey

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hmm, another question along this vein. do sabway and paraway synergize well together?

Richardt

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well since we can only have 3 heroes I don't think there's been much effort to uncover that hidden synergy.

Sabway is self-synergizing. It doesn't really require anything outside of itself, so the end effect would be having your para syngergizing with paraway with Sabway just along synergizing itself. Any synergy between the two would be accidental-Sabway features alot of physical buffing skills for the minions that'll help the paras do their thing (Barbs, Mark of Pain etc.).

Richardt

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A shout/chant will affect a minion only if it says "Allies" in the description.

So shouts like GftE will affect minions, but you're out of luck with SY.

germanturkey

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i meant i would use paraway and my friend would run sabway. but you answered my question anyways. thanks.

Mr Pink57

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If/when I run sabway on my para I throw Weapon of Fury on the N/Rt as his elite vs WoR or XW.

pink

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Imbagon ftw really

Anwyn

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I love my imbagon, it does get a bit boring some times, but in general it's not... I get cool damage as well as party buffs and heals on 1 char... I use [I am the Strongest] on mine tho, cos I like seeing big numbers on my screen...

MasterSasori

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Quote:
Originally Posted by greenreaper3
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hey everyone. i just got the build for Sabway, along with heros, and runes. now, i must know

what are some good build for me, the paragon to use that will be good with Sabway?

im currently using wiki's SoR.. cause im noob like that lol

any suggestions are welcome, thanks
Use the Guru search option please. There are so many threads on this about Sabway's and Discordway's synergy with paras. So let me just summarize all those threads so you won't have to open the 68th thread on this topic. It seriously gets really annoying.

1. If you want good synergy, go with Racway. I believe it was provided on a post before this or you could use the "Search" option and type in "Racway" on the top right of this forum to find the builds. Know that Racway has certain issues that Rac himself has acknowledged and isn't for all areas; it requires customization. You'll want to read into it. Know that the thread is very long but well worth it.

2. Sabway works perfectly fine with Imbagon or just Paragons in general. The reason is not the synergy between the paras and necros, but just the fact that Sabway is a good set of heros synergized with each other and a good paragon is just a good paragon. Nothing wrong with good builds mixed together most of the time. Mentioned in above posts is Stunning Strike, Defensive Anthem, and Cruel Spear - all are effective. Sabway is great if you are extremely lazy (nothing wrong with that). These heroes are self-reliant, with little or no micromanagement, and the builds are effective.

3. There is another option other than Sabway and Racway: Discordway. Discordway is focused more toward classes that cast hexes or use Assassin's Promise but can easily fit into Paragon. Ignore PvX's absurd idea to use AP on a para and just run a paragon build but be sure to include the skills Barbed Spear and Asuran Scan. You may also want another AoE hex since paras don't have hexes. I recommend 2 Putrid Biles, 1 Rising Bile, 1 Shadow of Fear, and if you must, 1 Suffering. You'll want to add in other curses such as Barbs. Discordway is extremely fast in HM, faster than Sabway. However, it does require more work (booo) and has certain weaknesses where conditions and hexes are removed efficiently from mobs.

Hope this was helpful and swift death to more Discordway and Sabway threads that say the same thing over and over and over.