Double EotN reputation weekend begins?

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaal 84 View Post
Is Varajar Falls still viable to farm norn points after the ursan nerf? Pre-nerf it was possibily the easiest title point farm ever. Even pugs did well at it.

Just VQ it as you would a normal area.. there is no "requirement" to use Ursan to do this area.

Oh and yes its an easy farm, just make sure you have the boss quest on your char .

romeus petrus

romeus petrus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Urgoz Warren

Legion of Doom [LOD] Home of PWNZILLA http://PWNZILLA.guildlaunch.com

Goodie! let's reward mindless grinding some more. /endsarcasm

beserk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

UK

W/

Awesome, now i can max out my deldrimor, asuran and vanguard theyve been at rank 8 for so long now about time i worked on finishing them. xD

Vaal 84

Vaal 84

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

UK

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az View Post
Just VQ it as you would a normal area.. there is no "requirement" to use Ursan to do this area.

Oh and yes its an easy farm, just make sure you have the boss quest on your char .
Yeah thats what i did before, run around to net some kills, then run over and kill all the bosses. wash rince repeat.

Now with ursan this was just too easy, but since the nerf will people be running the same method to collect norn points?

Masseur

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Southern California

R/Mo

It's probably that it didn't word wrap so the end of the sentence is cut off. probably meant to say Begins this weekend or something

Scarlett Romanov

Scarlett Romanov

Guest

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/

I am so sick and tired of them not including books.

WE'VE BEEN SAYING IT EEVERYTIME THERE'S A DOUBLE WEEKEND! LET US GET RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING DOUBLE BOOK POINTS GOD DAMN IT!


Steboy93

Steboy93

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Feb 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] | Ex-Officer [TAM]

W/

Lol, finished my last rep title last week

/facepalm

DarkGanni

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

Finished my delver title today on my monk. 1 Weekend late xD

The Arching Healer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]

I'm going to work on my vanguard title, rank 6 atm

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

It's kind of silly that Anet makes an event that is going to increase server load on the same weekend as the monthly AT.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett Romanov View Post
I am so sick and tired of them not including books.

WE'VE BEEN SAYING IT EEVERYTIME THERE'S A DOUBLE WEEKEND! LET US GET RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING DOUBLE BOOK POINTS GOD DAMN IT!



Who is this "we" you are speaking about? I'm pretty sure "we" all agree that doubling books would be a bad thing, since people could just save them up for a few months until one of these weekends rolls around.

Joe Fierce

Joe Fierce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Disconnect the fascination

LF High End PvE Guild that's not filled with elitists.

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by eximiis View Post
Poor Raptors !!! 2 weekends in a row
it's not genocide, it's population control.

BoredJoe

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
Who is this "we" you are speaking about? I'm pretty sure "we" all agree that doubling books would be a bad thing, since people could just save them up for a few months until one of these weekends rolls around.


I'm all for books being included. Why would you think it would be a bad thing.

Fates

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kanuckistan

Mirror of Reason [SNOW]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by eximiis View Post
Poor Raptors !!! 2 weekends in a row
That's gotta be one of the slowest ways to get points. You're only killing ~30 a run, triggering only 1 bonus. Clearing a zone, with a few bosses thrown in, would get you more points vs time spent.

The Red Messenger

The Red Messenger

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

America

looks like i can max norn on a few more toons if i find enough time.

if anyone is worrying about finding a group to farm norn points, i assure you it was always easy to hero/hench it as i always did.

finding pugs takes more time than it saves, so only do it if you want the company and your guild is offline.

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

So is it really not starting till Friday, or is this a special exception?

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

Well I ran out last night and killed someone to see if there were double points. But nope. I need my vangaurd geesh. I guess I know that I am doing over the weekend

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by BoredJoe View Post
I'm all for books being included. Why would you think it would be a bad thing.

Because then people who turned in books normally would be more hesistant before turning in their books. Everybody would rather save them up until a double point weekend.

Double points on shrine actually makes sure everybody "earns" their points during the weekend.

Doubling books would encourage hoarding and also be unfair (image the qq of somebody who turned in a book on Monday, to find out Tuesday that this weekend would be double book weekend). It's just not fair in the long term.

Fates

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kanuckistan

Mirror of Reason [SNOW]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
...
Doubling books would encourage hoarding and also be unfair (image the qq of somebody who turned in a book on Monday, to find out Tuesday that this weekend would be double book weekend). It's just not fair in the long term.
Which is entirely different than someone that can't play this weekend for whatever reason vs someone that can....somehow.

Life is unfair.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fates Monk View Post
Which is entirely different than someone that can't play this weekend for whatever reason vs someone that can....somehow.
.
You realize the purpose of these events is to make people log on and play?

Jade

Jade

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Canada...... Eh!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett Romanov View Post
I am so sick and tired of them not including books.

WE'VE BEEN SAYING IT EEVERYTIME THERE'S A DOUBLE WEEKEND! LET US GET RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING DOUBLE BOOK POINTS GOD DAMN IT!


Ya, because if they don't include books, how could we possibly max out our titles?

/sarcasm off

Seriously, do we need books to be doubled? You could max out any one of the titles by turning in 3 fricken books!

1 nm hero's handbook = 20,000 rep points (40,000 doubled)
2 hm hero's handbooks = 30,000 rep points each (60,000 each doubled) = 120,000 rep points.

So because there are people to lazy to get it by vq an area or just playing through the game, anet should double the books so that every single person in the game has max gwen titles? Just be happy that they're still doing things for us.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jade View Post
Ya, because if they don't include books, how could we possibly max out our titles?

/sarcasm off

Seriously, do we need books to be doubled? You could max out any one of the titles by turning in 3 fricken books!

1 nm hero's handbook = 20,000 rep points (40,000 doubled)
2 hm hero's handbooks = 30,000 rep points each (60,000 each doubled) = 120,000 rep points.

So because there are people to lazy to get it by vq an area or just playing through the game, anet should double the books so that every single person in the game has max gwen titles? Just be happy that they're still doing things for us.
It is still 12 books per character and with 8 characters is 96 books.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Because if grinding on 1 character isn't enough for you, you grind out 8 characters.

Lest121

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

Ursan is dead.............I guess the tards in Olafstead didn't get the message, people are still trying to use Ursan.

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

It looks like along with the weekend double rep they may have made some enemy buffing/mob adjustments.

I have been working on Vanguard for a while I am at 9 working on 10 I have vanquished all three areas quite a few times in HM with H&H and almost never wipe. In fact I don't even carry a res on my skill bar because it has not been necessary. However tonight I wiped 7different times clearing one area.

I have also seen some strange and over powered mobs like 8 size mobs with two prophets and a mender (takes at least 5 minutes to kill one of those mobs), 8 sized mobs of all flameshield, dominators, hexreapers etc...

I have also noticed that the siege now takes 10e to fire even though it says only 5e.

Nightow

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobalt View Post
It looks like along with the weekend double rep they may have made some enemy buffing/mob adjustments.

I have been working on Vanguard for a while I am at 9 working on 10 I have vanquished all three areas quite a few times in HM with H&H and almost never wipe. In fact I don't even carry a res on my skill bar because it has not been necessary. However tonight I wiped 7different times clearing one area.

I have also seen some strange and over powered mobs like 8 size mobs with two prophets and a mender (takes at least 5 minutes to kill one of those mobs), 8 sized mobs of all flameshield, dominators, hexreapers etc...
I can tell you right now that as I was obtaining Legendary Master of the North back in July and August, I faced same type/size of mobs that you just described. So when exactly was the last time you vanq'ed there?

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jade View Post
So because there are people to lazy to get it by vq an area or just playing through the game, anet should double the books so that every single person in the game has max gwen titles? Just be happy that they're still doing things for us.
See that's my biggest issue.
I feel that all these titles are pretty much flawed by default.
The max tiers are set too high OR there is not enough content - however you want to call it.
One should have to play though the game and complete EVERYTHING - all quests, missions, vanquishes, dungeons, ... in NM AND then everything that can be repeated in HM also and that alone should fill up the titles. (That also includes the Factions and C3 grind titles!)
The game should reward you for actually PLAYING the game rather then force you into farming.
Sure, one should have the option of farming if they are too lazy or not good enough to complete everything to be able to max out the titles - but to make that the ONLY way to max out a title is just bad.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio View Post
Because if grinding on 1 character isn't enough for you, you grind out 8 characters.
No, I am just pointing out that even if they double the rewards from books it would still be a huge grind for one character and a completly idiotic grind to get all 4 titles to max for eight characters.

I am only interested in the armor, but getting to rank 5 in up to three titles for 3 characters is not much fun too.

strcpy

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk View Post
No, I am just pointing out that even if they double the rewards from books it would still be a huge grind for one character and a completly idiotic grind to get all 4 titles to max for eight characters.

I am only interested in the armor, but getting to rank 5 in up to three titles for 3 characters is not much fun too.
I think what you say here is true - but you probably do not agree with my solution.

I think the problem is that books are the best way to gain that rep - so much better I have to ask why bother with double rep weekend? For myself I save up HM completions of quests and any dungeon completions for these weekends. Since this is the second one we have had I expect to spend some time this weekend on dungeons as that is the main area that I have yet to complete (both NM and HM). However, had I not limited title hunting to a single character then I would not have been in this position - with the changes that will eventually happen to the HOM this is OK.

However, as far as gameplay goes they have the highest rewards - by far even during during double rep weekends - be a single player only task. Yes, it is true it doesn't matter what few missions we do for the book, however it is clear that no matter how good/quick a human group is that grinding the missions out with H/H is the most efficient (how many groups stay together for rotating around those few specific missions people do?).

Vanquishing should be the most efficient rep/hour out there even in non-double points weekends. That is a task that is MUCH better done with a decent human group and takes enough time to encourage grouping. As is they encourage AI groups and AI play on the one hand and human players on the other. Restructuring rewards with a full human team would go SIGNIFICANTLY more towards having them popular than the reward structure used today. I'm nearly a full H/H player and most likely would be no matter what, but as of now I find 99.999% of the tasks more efficient that way anyway.

Even with H/H Vanquishing *should* be a higher reward than playing the same three or four missions over and over again and the double point weekend ought to really push it.

I would suggest that things that are mostly human groups and/or are harder (say vanquishing areas) are the most rewarding with respect to faction. I think books are fairly reasonable given the work involved with other titles so buff reputation gain. Further I would also support not having books double during weekends - have what is mostly a group exercise be the most rewarding by far. Not to mention that vanquishing areas tend to be more varied and (in the long run) more fun than doing the same missions 50 times over again.

Ah well, we all have our own ideas of what would make GW great. Reality is that I have a large number of hours in game so I obviously like it as is. I further find that my dollar per hour played is *extremely* good too. But I have to complain where I think we could be better.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by strcpy View Post
...However, had I not limited title hunting to a single character then I would not have been in this position - with the changes that will eventually happen to the HOM this is OK.
Reputation titles are not going to be account wide.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linsey
The only titles that I am considering making account wide are Wisdom and Treasure Hunter.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...ock#HoM_Update

But:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linsey
First off, let me make clear that any changes we make to titles will be part of a larger general title rebalancing and will not be connected to the HoM changes.

strcpy

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

I was discussing http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Arena...dates/20080624 with regards to gaining the reputation titles. That is the upcoming change to the HOM where it is account wide instead of character specific. And, as she said, discussing the progression on those two titles being account wide (just like the Kurzik/Luxon allegiance tract is) is a separate issue from the HOM changes.

I don't really care at this point if wisdom and treasure hunter are made account wide, I've only had one character work on them anyway and as long as one gets it then the account does in the HOM. It may add 20 or 30 points to it assuming they add all of the other characters points to my main title hunters count.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

I maxed out my Dwarven title, so I'm happy I got one GW:EN title out of the way. Tyrian VQ and I'm R4 KoaBD!

illidan009

illidan009

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2008

Volterra, Italy

A/

Son of a bitch I have to apply to colleges this wknd....no GW D:

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

And I got my Engineer to rank 15/13 RR, got new gear...

Oh, wait, wrong game.

Striken7

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

The District Nudists

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobalt View Post
I have also seen some strange and over powered mobs like 8 size mobs with two prophets and a mender
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightow View Post
I can tell you right now that as I was obtaining Legendary Master of the North back in July and August, I faced same type/size of mobs that you just described.
I'm not sure where you guys are vanquishing, but I went from R6 Vanguard to R10 this weekend only doing vanquishes with H/H and never once saw any groups that size.

Either your both exaggerating, or your fighting in some unnecessarily hard places that I managed to avoid all weekend

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobalt
It looks like along with the weekend double rep they may have made some enemy buffing/mob adjustments.

I have been working on Vanguard for a while I am at 9 working on 10 I have vanquished all three areas quite a few times in HM with H&H and almost never wipe. In fact I don't even carry a res on my skill bar because it has not been necessary. However tonight I wiped 7different times clearing one area.

I have also seen some strange and over powered mobs like 8 size mobs with two prophets and a mender (takes at least 5 minutes to kill one of those mobs), 8 sized mobs of all flameshield, dominators, hexreapers etc...

I have also noticed that the siege now takes 10e to fire even though it says only 5e.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightow View Post
I can tell you right now that as I was obtaining Legendary Master of the North back in July and August, I faced same type/size of mobs that you just described. So when exactly was the last time you vanq'ed there?
Maybe you are right and I only noticed it now because I was having such a tough time that VQ run.

That Devourer siege is broke it will take 10e to fire when it says only 5e unless you are down to your last 5e then it will fire for that 5e.

idicious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Holland

LoD

P/W

Though I didn't have much time to play still managed to get my mes up to r5 Asuran for some sunglasses I've pretty much sworn off pugs but I decided for form up a group to vanq Magnus Stones and that went w/o a hitch so my faith has been restored a bit

Lest121

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

I have had some fun today...............lol at some of the builds, I have seen PvP build, an ELE that blinds, a Sin with Shadow form but can't keep it Perma, and a warrior with the worst build ever...........I always see people say PvX this and that, but when you see the garbage i have seen today they should all be running PvX builds.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

What's wrong with Eles that blind and PvP bars?

Rothan Celt

Rothan Celt

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

Aura

Mo/R

lol strange use of the English language.

(im one to talk )