The Two Player Necro Vanquish - (easyest way to vanquish imo)

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Ok, no one posted it before me so here it is; basically it is a concept similar to the classic Sabway, but synchronized for 2 People and 6 Necro Heroes running it. Vanquished loads of stuf with it, wasl rly ez, had great fun.


"Harder" to run than discordway possibly but if you do it right it can blow up things all at once. Its main disadvantage is that you can spike down annying stuff as easily (healing bosses) as you can with Dw.


Atts & Skills:

SS Splinter

[build prof=n/rt box curses=12+1=1 chan=10 soul=8+1][spiteful spirit][barbs][mark of pain][rip enchantment][splinter weapon][ancestor's rage][signet of lost souls][death pact signet][/build]
Utility SV

[build prof=n/rt box blood=11+1+1 curse=9+1 soul=8+1 rest=8][spoil victor][strip enchantment][enfeebling blood][weaken armor][signet of lost souls][weapon of warding][blind was mingson][death pact signet][/build]
Jagged Bomber

[build prof=n/mo box death=16 soul=13 prot=3][jagged bones][putrid bile][animate shambling horror][animate bone fiend][death nova][signet of lost souls][infuse condition][foul feast][/build]
Discord Hybrid

[build prof=n/mo box death=12+1+1 prot=10 soul=8+1][discord][animate bone minions][rotting flesh][signet of lost souls][protective spirit][shield of absorption][aegis][convert hexes][/build]
Resto

[build prof=n/rt box rest=12 soul=12+1+1][xinrae's weapon][weapon of warding][protective was kaolai][mend body and soul][spirit light][signet of lost souls][life][flesh of my flesh][/build]
WoH Hybrid

[build prof=n/mo heal=12 soul=12+1+1 box][word of healing][patient spirit][heal party][dwayna's sorrow][signet of lost souls][spotless mind][cure hex][optional][/build]

DarkSpirit

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

As with most pvx builds, will it work? Probably. Can it be improved upon? Definitely.

Miska Bow

Miska Bow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

somewhere, Grinding some l33t titles

Order of the Divine WoodChuck

R/

Been using 6 necros hero team with a friend for a while. Steamrolled trought Faction HM vanquishing all of it with it.

Yes its awsome.
No it aint new.

Please dont try to take credit for some stuff thats been around for a while.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Still prefer Discordway. With an N/A by your side abusing PvE skills and Assassin's Promise, an enemy dies every one, maybe three seconds.

Lyynyyrd

Lyynyyrd

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2008

Aussie Trolling Crew - Spah!

I was using six Necro heroes like a year ago.

I DEMAND FAME.

Calista Blackblood

Calista Blackblood

Permanently Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

Northern Ireland

Nowhere To Run Nowhere To [Hide]

N/

yes someone who can combine sabway+discordway,add a hybrid healer and maybe 5 skills max that weren't in the original builds,and put it on a wiki deserves lots of fame

DarkSpirit

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

That restoration bar would hardly see Xinrae's being cast unless maybe the healer runs extremely low in energy.

Only 1 spirit (i.e. Life which has a lifespan of 20s maxed), without it Spirit Light would sac and MBaS would lose condition removal. You can do better than that with 6 heroes. Only 2 res?

Strip Enchantment has a long recharge, should have used Rip Enchantment instead or even Desecrate Enchantments.

Would have problems in low corpse areas. Especially with Infuse Condition. The rest are meh.

Not that I want to rain on anybody's parade but I have to hold to a higher standard for a 6 heroes build because 3-heroes+henchies should be strong enough to be used in most areas even in HM. 6 heroes, on the other hand, are for elite missions.

TalanRoarer

TalanRoarer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Manchester, England

Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns]

N/A

wtb new ideas.

Kyomi Tachibana

Kyomi Tachibana

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

Oregon, USA

Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB]

P/W

Quite a few of those, if not most, 'Spartan' builds are quite bad.

And yes, surprise, surprise, people have been running things like this for quite awhile.

obsidian ectoplasm

obsidian ectoplasm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Grats for being able to have the same ideas as most people

Luminarus

Luminarus

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

Haze of Light [pure]

R/

I prefer sabway, + monk hero, ele hero, paragon hero, but thats just me.

That and i dont like 6 necros... they piss me off ><

-Lotus-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

lose the SV and discord for paragons. it needs more damage.

DarkSpirit

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Lotus- View Post
lose the SV and discord for paragons. it needs more damage. SV IS the damage. And armor ignoring too.

spun ducky

spun ducky

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

WTB: q8 bows

R/N

Its these sorta things that make me not really care for wiki and when I want to share a build I share it here. I have found quite a few people just rip other's builds on there or do tweaks to already existing well known builds such as this case. I do agree it works but it has plenty of room to be improved upon along with I think discord 6 necro spike with pve skills is probably better in the majority of areas since its just insanely fast.

SmokingHotImolation

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2008

Odense, Denmark

E/

Why animate bone horror on the mm?

Valkyria

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

I lol'd when I read part about Spartans. watch300much?
Anyways..you're baed.

matti90

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

ym

Mo/

Quote:
yes someone who can combine sabway+discordway,add a hybrid healer and maybe 5 skills max that weren't in the original builds,and put it on a wiki deserves lots of fame yes someone who can take heroway from HA and call it sabway, put it on wiki deserves lots of fame.

That being said, build is nothing new.

Anime Divine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

W/

yeh have know that for ages call it double sab build whatever. only thing that keeps you alive with minimum healing are the minions.
lol "all fame goes to me"

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

I know that people were synching two Necroways for some time but nobody actually posted anything well though out, it doesnt really matter if you ran something similar some years ago lulz.

DarkSpirit

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Igor
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Well, those spells are just for healing, life sac isnt a big deal and mbas condition removal effect isnt primary in the team, main thing that removes conditions is foul/infuse. also the rezzes, you seriously dont need one on every character, theres dps on ss to keep it dp at low levels, and fomf on the resto for ressing chains if needed, also might put veng on the bomber, but really, are you going to die a lot with this? probably not, unless you are being really really bad. =] Like I have said, none of these are build breaking but just not optimal.

Having the healer sac 17% health everytime she uses Spirit Light may or may not kill her, but it is definitely a negative especially when things are going south and Life is killed (i.e. your skill is still recharging). MBaS can be a very powerful spell with 90+ heals and multiple condition removal with only 5e and fast recharge. Get rid its condition removal capability and it is just a nice 5e heal, a little lower than patient spirit. Not build breaking but definitely sub optimal.

Having just 2 res out of the 6 heroes? Same thing. If one or both of the res holders die, and your 2 human characters do not bring any res then they remain dead, even when the rest of the party members survived. Note also that one of the res holders is using DPS, so after using it to res someone in combat, she has at least twice the probability of dying.

Turbobusa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

By the Luxon Scavenger

The Mentalists [THPK]

N/

I run one spirit all the time, never had any problems with livia saccing too much.
Sure 2 spirits means 2 conditions off mbas, but heroes are smart enough not to cast spirit light too much with life down.

Miska Bow

Miska Bow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

somewhere, Grinding some l33t titles

Order of the Divine WoodChuck

R/

A fix team build to do all campaign will never be optimum. you need to adust according to what you are killing.

What you posted is a good team build (might need a tweak or 2) but its a good team build.

The FAIL part of your post is the part where you take credit. Make me think of you as this:


Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Bump

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upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

When you need to bump it yourself - there is probably a reason for it ...

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

I want fame :O

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

I think self-bumping your own threads actually gets you banned on Guru.
Besides - it's just a poor variation of the builds discussed here:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10315920
so I guess this should be called Washi-way (which is actually INSANELY catchy!).

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Poor? It blows stuff, and doesnt have loads of random shit in it.

*edit*

Omg, that is a poor variation of discordway you showed me, this is not discordway...l2readkthx.

payne

payne

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

england (currently located on the south coast)

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Igor View Post
Poor? It blows stuff, and doesnt have loads of random shit in it.

*edit*

Omg, that is a poor variation of discordway you showed me, this is not discordway...l2readkthx.
well there is a good reason no1 is posting...

also insulting ppl for no good reason by saying (read the bold part)
typing in "leet" speak doesn't help your cause

but there is no point claiming fame for a ok cookie-cutter build when you clearly didn't create it....

and anyway with two ppl you can run so much better without any necros in the entire team

as you like to put: kthxbainubnesslrn2rea

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

What pisses me off in this forum is how much you spam your fave word, "cookie-cutter". Whats not cookie cutter? Oh yes, take a good, efficient build, chuck loads of useless shit in the and call it "original", not cookie cutter amirite? And why are you making so much fuss out of fame bit? Thread is about the build, l2read.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by upier View Post
Oh sorry - I just looked at the good stuff in your build and figured it was a Discord-way variation.
Actually, Necroway or Sabway if you like, was never a variant of discordway, just because it was run before discord was even buffed for starters.
I know that with Discordway you scrubs start to pretend Sab's never exsisted but it still exsists actually and thing is, you cant compare them.

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Just a a bit worse ... you know with stuff Heal Party when you already have 2 PwKs and Life, or Awaken/Spoil, or MoP/SS/Barbs on a hero, BwM, your suggestions for the player ritu/necro builds to goodies like having one of the few rezzes on the healer. Like ... the non-random shit. I dont get what you mean, heal party is good against pressurebecause you can spam it on recharge with infinite energy, but it isnt good if uve just been hit by a dragon stomp and about to be bashed by something else, in that case you want to drop the ashes to give you anice very fast party heal and throw a woh on a badly hurt ally if needed, prot stuff, and wow/aegis stuff right after, heal party is just way too slow for the purpose. And honestly, prove me wrong, but I think you cant have enough party wide heal in pve, it is really very helpful.

I also dont get your argument against ss, do you want to prove that you ont understand concept behind sab's, that ss, mop, barbs is one of the things that bring the synergy together? You know, splinter'd minions bashing the target that has barbs and mop on it and also kills itself with ss (and sv). Awaken the blood is obvious too, you have a character that splits between curses (weakness and cracked armor) and blood, SV, that plays a great role in taking down healers n suff, has good synergy with low health minions and also provides utility for the party so, to make up for rather spread out attributes you have awaken that makes SV more powerful and gives a bit more lengh to weaknesses/cracked.

As for player builds, yeah, some are random, but that means you can take any build and win really, LOL, they make you autopilot.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Igor View Post
As for player builds, yeah, some are random, but that means you can take any build and win really, LOL, they make you autopilot. The best thing about The Splinter SS is Splinter/AR/Reckless.
Everything else requires a bit of microing. And if you aren't going to micro it - then there are better options.

The Utility SV.
Weaken/Enfeebling run superbly well with only a few points in Curses. That's there is no need for Awaken. Especially since Enfeebling requires sacrifice.
SV - once again - a micro spell. Discord would do pretty much the same thing - just more auto-pilot-y.
WoW is sweet.

Which means that one could nicely throw all the good skills of these two guys onto ONE necro. Splinter/AR/Reckless/Enfeebling/Weaken.
The left over necro can then go as a Discord dude - with monk secondary for Aegis (dump PS on him from the healer/possibly a second SoA).
Ench removal on these two guys.

There is absolutely no reason for the Bomber to have 13 in SR while also having 2 e-management options. This would be a superb character to bring that third Aegis on.

Discord Hybrid.
Since you are already running Minions - I really don't see the point in running additional melee minions - and I especially don't see the point in wasting two slots on them.
With the Aegis chains, and the party wide healing from PwK and Life - this guy could go as a warder. Heck even something like mesmer interrupts and lovely things like AV/SV from the Illus line.
I mean you have nearly unlimited energy and all you want to do is waste it on Resto?
There is also no reason not to bring BotM.


(Like I said) I don't see the point in bringing one of the few rezzes on the Restorer. If the rez is disabled - that means it's going to be used after battles. In which case - I wouldn't bother with anything other then Rebirth.
If it's not disabled ... then let's just say you have a non-disabled rez on the party member that is supposed to keep you alive. And if he gets a chance to use that rez - meaning he ALREADY failed at his job.

Additional spirits wouldn't hurt.

Do heroes still dislike the use of Xinrae?




But then again - you could just run a bunch of physicals instead ...

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by upier View Post
The best thing about The Splinter SS is Splinter/AR/Reckless.
Everything else requires a bit of microing. And if you aren't going to micro it - then there are better options.
Well, barbs and mop dont requre a lot of miroing because they cast it on the foe you start to attack or on the foe who has most things attacking it and that would be good enough no? Yes, you can micro it thogh, I dont see what scares you so much about it (lol, l2play? ) its not hard, I like microing, hence it will make things blow up epicly, but I have said Necorway, or sabs, is harder to run, thing is that both barbs and mop are really good spells that are key to necorway synergy (besides, SW triggers MoP).

Rest of the spells, reckless, no doubt a good spell, but you are taking it primerely to fuel damage from SS not really for damage reduction from mob's wanding. SW/AR, indeed great spells, what is more first has synergy with the hexes.



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The Utility SV.
Weaken/Enfeebling run superbly well with only a few points in Curses. That's there is no need for Awaken. Especially since Enfeebling requires sacrifice.
SV - once again - a micro spell. Discord would do pretty much the same thing - just more auto-pilot-y.
WoW is sweet. No, no, no, SV is not a micro spell, it is fairly spammable, and no matter were it goes it would be very effective and again, micro it! Ok no problem if you micro it, it makes things better if you micro it on their healers, I saying it again, necorway is harder to run.

I do agree on awaken though, it originally had Defile defenses thingie, think it gonna be put back there or resurrect of a sort.

Quote: Which means that one could nicely throw all the good skills of these two guys onto ONE necro. Splinter/AR/Reckless/Enfeebling/Weaken.
The left over necro can then go as a Discord dude - with monk secondary for Aegis (dump PS on him from the healer/possibly a second SoA).
Ench removal on these two guys. Mmmm, no. And again, it isnt supposed to be discordway and you dont want to miss out SS, MoP, Barbs, SV.

And unless you havent spotted, there is a guy with soa, ps, and aegis allready, you dont need more copies of them.

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There is absolutely no reason for the Bomber to have 13 in SR while also having 2 e-management options. This would be a superb character to bring that third Aegis on. Foul Feast, but I agree that there might not be a reason to take sols.

And, third aegis?! You smoke weed dude, there is absolutely no reason to have an aegis chain in pve, you are never going to spend more than 10 second in battle unless you suck or did something terribly wrong, and the cooldown time is all about running anyway when you shouldnt bother about the chain up.

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Discord Hybrid.
Since you are already running Minions - I really don't see the point in running additional melee minions - and I especially don't see the point in wasting two slots on them.
With the Aegis chains, and the party wide healing from PwK and Life - this guy could go as a warder. Heck even something like mesmer interrupts and lovely things like AV/SV from the Illus line.
I mean you have nearly unlimited energy and all you want to do is waste it on Resto?
There is also no reason not to bring BotM. Theres no botm, also, minion wall is good.

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I wouldn't bother with anything other then Rebirth. Dont. be. bad. :>