What do FoW/UW groups consist of now-a-days?
xmfd
I haven't played since it was ursan 24/7 in all elite PvE areas.
A.K.
Ursan died a while back. The way I see it, and someone, anyone correct me if I am wrong..... use what you want. If you are looking for specific builds alot of people are looking for perma sins and HB monks.
Zidane Ortef
UW is http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10303481
and as for FoW not really pugged anymore if you see a pug its more than like old school tank and spank with the SS, Nukers, 2 monk backline.
If you have an experienced guild you could pull off the FoW HM SC.
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_FoW_Speedclear
and as for FoW not really pugged anymore if you see a pug its more than like old school tank and spank with the SS, Nukers, 2 monk backline.
If you have an experienced guild you could pull off the FoW HM SC.
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_FoW_Speedclear
IlikeGW
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payne
what do UW / FoW groups consist of now-a-days?
bad players oO and people trying to run terras....have fun ^^
nah its nec / ele / sin that seem popular atm from what I've seen...also rangers can be for "more balanced" runs^^ monks = good as well xD
bad players oO and people trying to run terras....have fun ^^
nah its nec / ele / sin that seem popular atm from what I've seen...also rangers can be for "more balanced" runs^^ monks = good as well xD
Shadowhaze
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That's pretty funny. Anybody could have done it with ursan, now it's 3 classes allowed, and not even popular ones. Where are all the whiners who said PUG opportunities would be better without ursan?
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But I won't go into more on that.
Yep, pretty much all you hear now is perma this perma that.
Mostly what all people want in parties now.
Numa Pompilius
So we've gone from two professions in the pugs to four.
But on a more general note, the ursan nerf was the best thing ANet's done the last year. That it upsets farmers is just to be expected - every change upsets farmers.
But on a more general note, the ursan nerf was the best thing ANet's done the last year. That it upsets farmers is just to be expected - every change upsets farmers.
A11Eur0
They could have made the change to ursan so that it can be kept up but buffs such as stances drop, and they all get the same armor and HP. This would have made Ursan doable for all professions and still viable for these kinds of things.
There is no real way to get people to WANT to play balanced team, because if there's a gimmick build out there that does it faster, that's how it goes. Get it done or stay out.
There is no real way to get people to WANT to play balanced team, because if there's a gimmick build out there that does it faster, that's how it goes. Get it done or stay out.
stretchs
Actually you went from 8 down to 3, ursan allowed all classes to uw farm, currently only sin, ele and necro can do the sc.
A11Eur0
stretchs...at the peak of ursan popularity, it was pretty much strictly W/Me ursans due to higher armor/hp and the use of inspiration mantras for increased energy gain from elemental enemies, and the ability to immediately gain back energy with Ether signet. I know that I fully took advantage of mantras on my warrior farming norn points and UW. Getting rid of the buffs would have removed that from the equation, making armor and HP equivalent regardless of class would have been the nail in the coffin of the GLF WARRIOR URSANS spam in ToA.
I also know for a fact that Me/A can perform the role of the Assassin in the UW Speed clear. So that's 4. Before it was still just 2.
I also know for a fact that Me/A can perform the role of the Assassin in the UW Speed clear. So that's 4. Before it was still just 2.
Molock
perma's, terras, monks, necromancers or gtfo
From what I've seen, and I don't hang out in ToA very often tbh.
From what I've seen, and I don't hang out in ToA very often tbh.
Phaern Majes
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That's pretty funny. Anybody could have done it with ursan, now it's 3 classes allowed, and not even popular ones. Where are all the whiners who said PUG opportunities would be better without ursan?
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Everyone seems to forget that these places used to be cleared with completely random pugging (granted UW could be a pain with a pug). Seriously being unable to pug, is only a sign of the quality of players trying it.
But hey I stopped pugging these instances back when I could duo it on my ranger with an ele, and solo trap later. But gone are the days of EW... meh
Mesmer in Need
Speed clear groups have the above. Regular pug groups have teams looking for "Tanks and Nukers and Healers"- i.e. people who are still hooked on tank and spank. Guild groups usually run some form of physical way for fow, I guess balanced for UW.
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by stretchs
Actually you went from 8 down to 3, ursan allowed all classes to uw farm, currently only sin, ele and necro can do the sc.
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You were not playing as a necro, ele, mesmer, warrior or whatever when you were playing ursan, you were playing as an ursan - and ursan is a rusher wammo on steroids.
Ursan removed all professions from the game, removed all need to design skillsets, encouraged mindless rushing, and was based on grind.
That's why the skill was really, really, destructive, and why nerfing it was good for the game.
For those who actually misses the bad old days of not playing their chosen class, there's still warrior builds which let you play much like ursan.
idicious
I'm so happy with ursan nerf, my main (warrior) has fallen into disuse (almost r5 koabd etc) but I don't really care. My mesmer, sin and ele have been dusted off after years of disuse and I'm having a blast playing them again 
daze
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So we've gone from two professions in the pugs to four.
But on a more general note, the ursan nerf was the best thing ANet's done the last year. That it upsets farmers is just to be expected - every change upsets farmers. |
So we have gone from 10 professions to 4 that are welcome in PUGs
And for the record (im not sure if you got the memo) but ursan is a blessing not a profession.. You can call an apple an orange, but its still an apple. The point is after the ursan nerf, people who like to play mez, rit, para, derv, etc can find no love when trying to PUG... which means the ursan nerf successfully uninvited said professions into these areas..
there ive said it 3 different ways, maybe you will catch one of them.
here is one more way to say it. calling ursan a profession is the same as calling N/Rt a rituilist.. Or E/Mo prot a monk... Or Rt/N bomber a necro minion master... Just because a profession uses skills from a non-main profession doesn't magically change the primary profession..
Ursan had unique benefits for each different profession.. eg.. 100 energy ele,,, refrain echo paragon,,, high AL warrior,,, [[arcane mimicry] copycat Ursan Mez,,, ursan with pet ranger...
I used to run obbi tank ele with arcane mimicry that way i could solo parts of UW and then mimic Ursan for other parts... (Only an ele/mez could do that)
My ele uses [pain inverter][assassins promise][you move like a dwarf][finish him] what profession does that make my ele?? a nornsurasin?
or better yet does using the following build make me not an ele??? even though i have over 100 energy in this build??
[deadly [email protected]][mark of [email protected]][enduring [email protected]][pain inverter][assassins [email protected]][you move like a dwarf][finish him][sadists [email protected]] Not one ele skill in that build.. But it works.. and even has utility and self heals..
bungusmaximus
Ursan was a sad thing for people with brains. I can remember back then when HM was introduced. I did some missions with another guru member. We actually tailored our builds for every area and we got out there and owned some. When ursan was introduced people all of a sudden wanted everyone to play ursan. LOL go play pacman if that's what your looking for in a game.
When people only want eles and warriors in PUGs and you must do a certain elite area at all cost, level up an ele or a warrior lol. I can't play ranger worth squat, but I leveled up a ranger to do barrage runs in urgoz and TOPK.
FoW and UW can be successfully completed with any character possible anyways. It's not just eles that do AoE, not just monks that heal and not just warriors that bash face in.
When people only want eles and warriors in PUGs and you must do a certain elite area at all cost, level up an ele or a warrior lol. I can't play ranger worth squat, but I leveled up a ranger to do barrage runs in urgoz and TOPK.
FoW and UW can be successfully completed with any character possible anyways. It's not just eles that do AoE, not just monks that heal and not just warriors that bash face in.
Amy Awien
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Originally Posted by xmfd
What do FoW/UW groups consist of now-a-days?
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daze
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When people only want eles and warriors in PUGs and you must do a certain elite area at all cost, level up an ele or a warrior lol. I can't play ranger worth squat, but I leveled up a ranger to do barrage runs in urgoz and TOPK.
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What about players that are leet at their favorite profession.. Like mez or para... 2 extremely under appreciated professions that have mounds of potential if in the right hands.. sadly they will get no love in pugs. save mez for CoP
for the record, i really couldn't care less about the ursan nerf. I am just playing devils advocate.. Im totally capable to make builds to cater to any area in which i play..
bungusmaximus
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What about players that are leet at their favorite profession.. Like mez or para... 2 extremely under appreciated professions that have mounds of potential if in the right hands.. sadly they will get no love in pugs. save mez for CoP
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When people have no clue they can't form their own teams either, so those people should PUG to learn. I needed a couple of standard B/P runs myself before I found out how it could be done better and faster.
Everything beats doing nothing and whining your favourite class gets no love.
Numa Pompilius
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Umm, actually, Ursan allowed 10 professions to effectively join pugs and do elite areas.. nice try on the extremely loose analogy..
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What it did, was allow you to turn your ele into an ursan and go into an elite area instead of making a new avatar of a "desirable" class and taking that into the elite area.
So ursan saved you from having to level a new avatar, but on the other hand forced you to grind for norn points.
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bungusmaximus
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Bullshit. In every way which matters ursan was both the build and the profession. If that hadn't been the case mesmer, assassins etc wouldn't have been welcome even when running ursan.
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That's why I never used Ursan, I was betting my balls on it back then that it was gonna get nurfed.
Amy Awien
Ursan degraded GW into the average f2p MMO.
Numa Pompilius
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I would even go so far as saying that Ursan was a cheap-ass sales trick.
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I did use it, but once the initial thrill of "wtfpwn!" had worn off, I stopped, because it was so horribly boring to play. It removed tactics and build from Guild Wars, and then there's not really much left.
daze
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Those players shouldn't PUG,
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Fair enough.. It is kind of a shame that those said professions have been exculded from any possible pugging.. Lets just hope that they play at peak hours and are american or at least speak english That way they can hopefully catch friends or guildies that may be online.
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
Bullshit. In every way which matters ursan was both the build and the profession. If that hadn't been the case mesmer, assassins etc wouldn't have been welcome even when running ursan.
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and the reason sins could find pugs while running ursan is because even a weak ursan was better than no ursan. But the fact that your primary profession did affect the effectiveness of Usrsan means ursan was not a profession, Just an "easy" button for all professions.. Only because your primary profession used to be able to affect ursan blessing whether it be for the bettor or worse.
kostolomac
For pugs perma sins and other stuff are a must , tanks'n'spank is still popular.
For guild groups a para with SY!(almost as broken as UB , I wonder why no one wanted to nerf that) , bunch of dragon slash/hammer warrs or a moebuis spammer sin and a man or two to buff them and monks and you have a walk though the park in every area of the game if you just pay attention.
If you want to pug make a sin or necro ; or a para , warr or some physical support class if you find a guild that does elite areas. Don't bother making any other profession unless you like HH'ing.
For guild groups a para with SY!(almost as broken as UB , I wonder why no one wanted to nerf that) , bunch of dragon slash/hammer warrs or a moebuis spammer sin and a man or two to buff them and monks and you have a walk though the park in every area of the game if you just pay attention.
If you want to pug make a sin or necro ; or a para , warr or some physical support class if you find a guild that does elite areas. Don't bother making any other profession unless you like HH'ing.
DarkGanni
UW: terra and the usual necro and sins group
FoW: Lame builds with obby flesh or Emoway (CoP), not to mention Failure's Boon Monks.
- Ganni
FoW: Lame builds with obby flesh or Emoway (CoP), not to mention Failure's Boon Monks.
- Ganni
Reverend Dr
If you are looking to finish UW in 15 min or so, then your class restrictions are kind of tight.
If you just want to pug it and finish in a couple of hours (which, no one seems to want), then 1 imbagon, 1 monk, 6 empty slots.
If you just want to pug it and finish in a couple of hours (which, no one seems to want), then 1 imbagon, 1 monk, 6 empty slots.
Amy Awien
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... But the fact that your primary profession did affect the effectiveness of Usrsan means ursan was not a profession ...
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daze
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Originally Posted by Amy Awien
Ursan determined you skillbar, that's how it's seen as a profession.
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Numa Pompilius
[quote=daze;4282475]so then according to that statement, the wurm is a profession, siege rockshot is a profession, volven, and raven is a profession. I never knew that.[quote]
Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Whenever you're in a form you're no longer playing as a necro, mesmer, assassin etc.
So, here's the thing: if you're not playing as your chosen profession, what are you playing as?
Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Whenever you're in a form you're no longer playing as a necro, mesmer, assassin etc.
So, here's the thing: if you're not playing as your chosen profession, what are you playing as?
upier
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Whenever you're in a form you're no longer playing as a necro, mesmer, assassin etc.
So, here's the thing: if you're not playing as your chosen profession, what are you playing as? |
Luminarus
I dont like Ursan, however I do like the fact that it gave those people who are in guilds with just a few friends, who arent on alot to be able to succeed at areas.
My guild doesnt do much big stuff, but we are all friends etc with each other. When ursan was around, atleast we could pug other people, or go join a pug wen nothing was happening. Now PuG's all fail.
Im not saying that Ursan was good, or bad. I agree it was bad for the game. However I think it should be as good as other options in order to allow pugs to play atleast relatively successfully. What can a pug really do apart from tank and spank, and variations thereof.
My guild doesnt do much big stuff, but we are all friends etc with each other. When ursan was around, atleast we could pug other people, or go join a pug wen nothing was happening. Now PuG's all fail.
Im not saying that Ursan was good, or bad. I agree it was bad for the game. However I think it should be as good as other options in order to allow pugs to play atleast relatively successfully. What can a pug really do apart from tank and spank, and variations thereof.
Auron of Neon
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Assassin's Promise PvE skill spammer.
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upier
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Uh, k. You kind of killed your own argument there.
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My ritu, necro and mesmer used the same 3 PvE skills + AP - in combination with 4 class specific skills WHICH pretty much never get used because everything is dead after unloading the PvE skills.
So instead of having empty slots as you do with Ursan - you run stuff you'll never need ...
Jensy
Well, my guild/alliance isn't so much into "zomg finish in 12 minutes!!!1", so we can clear FoW with whatever we want, really. Have recently done so with 8 necs (now that was fun...and no, nobody had cry of pain), and 5 paras + 3 monks (again, hilarious). We value fun over speed 