To Rez, or not to rez, that is the question!

SirNazron

SirNazron

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Under a rock

The Golden Dragoons [Dark]

I have been playing for over a year now, I consider myself to be an ok player. I still get the every-so-often "ur a nub u dont now wat ur doing!!1" said to me. But everyone gets that, right??

So my problem is, do heros bring rez? If so rez signet, rebirth, rez chant etc.? I usually have rez chant on my monk - on manual select. And rez signet on my other heros. I have been told by many of my friends give me different solutions; to have all your heros use rez signet, all on rez chant, no rez on monk at all, rebirth on monk.

I mean its not really much of a problem with me, because no one in my group usually dies unless we get ganked, I am just wondering, from one of you "elite players" What is best thing to do?

Thank you guys

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Don't bother with res on Monks. Even on real players. There is nearly always something you can use instead of it for efficiency, and if your party wiped, you would spend less time just dying and ressing, if not bring res scrolls.

As for res on heroes apart from Monks, I disagree. Mid-battle res skills could easily prevent wipes, not to mention that DPSignet also doubles up as a DP preventer for whoever uses it, given the ally dies.

Taisayacho

Taisayacho

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

England (GMT)

The Imperial Guards of Istan [TIGI]

R/

Rebirth or Res Chant, generally, from what I've experienced. Sig works ok too, but obviously limited use.

SirNazron

SirNazron

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Under a rock

The Golden Dragoons [Dark]

Thanks Tyla and Taisayaco

DarkGanni

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

If I have to take a mid battle ress skill that would be DP Signet or Restore Life.

TalanRoarer

TalanRoarer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Manchester, England

Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns]

N/A

Restore Life or res chant for me on Heros, but on My character [war] i take Rebirth.

Taisayacho

Taisayacho

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

England (GMT)

The Imperial Guards of Istan [TIGI]

R/

Restore life is an ok battle res, but the whole touch-skill idea doesn't suit me well.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

dont bother with rez on monks, nohing worse than losing your monk due to ressing wile team is collapsing. Use hardrezzes on any other char you want, but not primary healers, best resses imho are FoMF, DPS and our ever so loved Vengeance! Worst rez is surely Ressurect, most balanced is Rez Sig and most "Good but useless" is rebirth cuz you use it incase everyone has died cuz they are bad and you are bad wasting their time on ressing everyone.

I Will Heal You Ally

I Will Heal You Ally

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

In my HoM

Canthan Refugees [TOGO]

E/Rt

I disable REZ on my monk (rb) so in case it survives it will have a way to rez us all... other then that I like bringing Restore Life (short casting time) on my ele heroes cuz they can do a rez and have plenty energy to continue... As for rest I take DPS or Chant... I never put rez on me (I rather bring Rez Scroll) and since there are so many pve spells I have a really hard time putting up a build that can have a good use...

komma

komma

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

None

N/

tbh if i bring res on a hero it will be on a hero that is rit secondary....and i usually bring flesh of my flesh or death pact sig.

DarkSpirit

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

I favor res that gives full health and full energy. This is why I like Vengeance when with heroes and henchies, but you need to tweak that and I usually let my MM carry it so that nobody would use it on the MM for obvious reasons.

Having res make them more powerful. Otherwise try fighting stone summit in Slavers with and without FS.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rezzes are terrible.

If you have to use 1, use a rez scroll.
Otherwise learn to monk/get better monks.

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

elite player here.
don't even bother with reses at all. if ur truly elite nothing will die, ever.
anything but perfection in the srs bsns that is pve should be considered total failure

squiros

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

the monk almost always brings rebirth. obviously doesn't cast in battle. a good monk probably has the keenest idea on what the party can or can not handle. when the party is going to collapse, the monk has the greatest chance of getting out.

the counterpoint is that everyone should just die and restart at shrine. however, the monk's skills are hit the hardest by dp because she's usually one of the most critical elements.

rebirth is usually good since it can mitigate aggro problems.

DarkSpirit

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

Lol! Yes if you are super duper elite and you or your heroes/henchies/allies will never ever die (i.e. they are all Legendary Survivor material), you dont need a res of course.

obsidian ectoplasm

obsidian ectoplasm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

if you're gonna take rez, I think the 4 best options are,

Rebirth,

rez chant,

Flesh of my flesh,

Death pact signet.

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

If I (a midliner) carry a hard rez skill, it's either Rebirth for "o shit" moments or Death Pact Signet for mid-battle revival.

Monks do not bring a rez, end of story. It's 4-6 seconds of them not healing your party, and if somebody's dead, they need to be healing your party. As far as having a rez skill disabled, I say that if you just bring another heal or prot, there's a much better chance of not ever needing that rez in the first place.

As far as personal choice goes, I diversify - the hero setup I usually use is Mo/E without a res, N/Mo with Rez Chant, and R/Me with Rez Signet, plus me, Me/Rt with Death Pact Signet.

Jongal

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

U guys know that rezzing at the shrine is not an option in missions ?

MikeThePsycho

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Damage Radius [dr]

Well, if you can mange your energy efficiently on a Monk, Unyielding Aura makes for a decent choice. Massive boost to healing, cancel it and its like rebirth without the energy penalties, only 5 energy to recast. Only issue is that its a maintained enchant, losing a pip of energy regen.

Which, given my R11 Luxon title, is why I love Selfless Spirit.

Also, if you are packing Healers boon, several rezzes in the healing line can be cut to 2 or 3 seconds. Ghostly Haste or Mindbender (with high asuran title) can also significantly cut rez times.

All in all, given that henches are useless, and random pugs are often horrible, I put a rez on all my heroes other than an MM. And I may put rebirth on myself if its a mission, depending on which one it is.

arturfel

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2008

P/W

Signet of return, death pact signet and veagence

glacialphoenix

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

I don't put rez on my monk heroes, because I don't use them to rez midbattle or outside of battle. If you forget to set the rez to manual the monk AI immediately starts rezzing midbattle, which is worse.

I favour putting my ele heroes /rt or /p for Flesh of my Flesh or Signet of Return. Or hey, if you use mez heroes... fast cast is pretty handy for a midbattle rez imo.

kazi_saki

kazi_saki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

Somewhere between GW and GW2

Shaved Wookies [HoT]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeThePsycho
Well, if you can mange your energy efficiently on a Monk, Unyielding Aura makes for a decent choice. Massive boost to healing, cancel it and its like rebirth without the energy penalties, only 5 energy to recast. Only issue is that its a maintained enchant, losing a pip of energy regen. so true. only rez i have on my monk since it turns even mend ailment into a powerheal.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit View Post
No reply to my challenge? Just as I expected, all talk. First, I was asleep.
Second, lol H/H.
Third, gimme 6 other players who don't suck and we can go do it.

srsly the only time I H/H now is versus Shiro because that's the only way to make him a slight challenge. i don't even play often anymore because the game is going stale, but when i do play im always playing with friends (who don't blow) in a full human party (whoah...playing a multiplayer game with other people...mindblowing concept.), so.

Even then if you're doing H/H, take a rez scroll.

Using a rez is a waste of a slot in PvE and shouldn't be happening unless if you have bad bars, or make a VERY TERRIBLE mistake which shouldn't be happening either.

In PvP having rezzes on your mid & front makes sense since you have a lot of stuff on the line usually, but in PvE a rez scroll is enough, or take UA.

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by SirNazron View Post
So my problem is, do heros bring rez? If so rez signet, rebirth, rez chant etc.? I usually have rez chant on my monk - on manual select. And rez signet on my other heros. I have been told by many of my friends give me different solutions; to have all your heros use rez signet, all on rez chant, no rez on monk at all, rebirth on monk.
I don't give my hero monks a Resurrection skill.

Other than that, if I can fit one on another hero then I do, but if I feel that slot would be better used to enhance the build then I forego it. I try to make more of an effort to include Res skills when I team with other humans "just in case".

My most used Res skills are Resurrection Chant, Death Pact Signet and Signet of Return. Rebirth I use sparingly. I always disable Res skills on heroes and micro their use myself when required.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkNecrid
Even then if you're doing H/H, take a rez scroll. I advocate this also.

Destro Maniak

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

A/

If you have any kind of ress shrine, NEVER GET RESS SKILL as long as you got some four leaf clovers

And if on a mission make sure everyone does

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

My monks don't have res, the rest all have signets. It's some sort of life insurance, same as a condom, when you don't need it and you have it, there's no problem. When you need it and don't have it, you're GOREDENGINEGOED

Rehwyn

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2008

I'd like to point out that this is the "Heroes & AI" section of the forums, and thus it is irrelevant to this thread if someone and their seven l33t human friends need to bring res skills or not. This thread concerns res skills on heroes, which typically indicates H/H or at least only a few human players. Moreover, it's a general question and does not specifically address a certain dungeon or point in the game. Thus, the answer should concern all areas of the game, including points where it is far too early to carry res scrolls.

With that said, my train of thought is similar to Celestial Beaver's:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
I don't give my hero monks a Resurrection skill.

Other than that, if I can fit one on another hero then I do, but if I feel that slot would be better used to enhance the build then I forego it. I try to make more of an effort to include Res skills when I team with other humans "just in case".

My most used Res skills are Resurrection Chant, Death Pact Signet and Signet of Return. Rebirth I use sparingly. I always disable Res skills on heroes and micro their use myself when required. That's basically exactly what I do.

Sakura Az

Sakura Az

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

The frozen north

Ambassadors Of Enlightenment [Sage]

A/

Fomf on a mesmer is what i prefer.. and sigs on everyone else except for monks, works out usualy.

Ariena Najea

Ariena Najea

Silence and Motion

Join Date: Jul 2006

Buffalo NY

New Horizon [NH]

When you're with all H/H, if you can spare /Mo or are primary I highly suggest Rebirth.

I've noticed a few people are giving the usual "PvE is easy, anything works, if someone dies then you suck" and honestly I think they're playing a different game. I'd be very impressed if anyone went through the entirety of the game without having a single H/H die once. Then try it on Hard Mode

My question to these people, is what happens when you get disconnected for a minute? You return to find a patrol destroying your party, most of whom are dead already, and another patrol is heading your way... Seems to me you can either let everyone (including yourself) die and res at the shrine (assuming there is one ) or simply run away to come back and Rebirth.

Rebirth on heroes is a waste though, even with manual casting something usually goes wrong. Stick to res signet on heroes, unless you're running one of the shorter resses on either a Mesmer with fast casting, or other enhancements such as Healer's Boon or Holy Haste.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

I have got rebirth on my Monk heros but it is disabled all the time just like most of them all.

_Nihilist_

_Nihilist_

Will Bull's Strike for $!

Join Date: Apr 2006

Isle of the Dead

For why a Monk Hero should never have a Rez on their bar, check the Sticky in the Monk part of this Forum.

Furthermore, as a Monk, why the GO ENGINE RED GO ENGINE RED GO would you want to deplete ALL of your energy (after wasting a few seconds to rez someone) just so that when they are up, you can't heal them? Doesn't make sense to me.

Res Chant
FomF
DPSignet

If I absolutely HAVE to have Rebirth at all, I go W/Mo and bring it with me. This is usually done in PuG's. I can run any bar that I want to, and sacrifice my utility skill for an easy pull-n-Rez. When my team asks me why I am not healing them when I Rez them, if they don't understand why I give either my Monks or my N/Rt's priority on first Rez, I reply with: "I'm a Warrior, I kill things. The Monk (or N/Rt) will heal you, give them a second."