To Rez, or not to rez, that is the question!
SirNazron
I have been playing for over a year now, I consider myself to be an ok player. I still get the every-so-often "ur a nub u dont now wat ur doing!!1" said to me. But everyone gets that, right??
So my problem is, do heros bring rez? If so rez signet, rebirth, rez chant etc.? I usually have rez chant on my monk - on manual select. And rez signet on my other heros. I have been told by many of my friends give me different solutions; to have all your heros use rez signet, all on rez chant, no rez on monk at all, rebirth on monk.
I mean its not really much of a problem with me, because no one in my group usually dies unless we get ganked, I am just wondering, from one of you "elite players" What is best thing to do?
Thank you guys
So my problem is, do heros bring rez? If so rez signet, rebirth, rez chant etc.? I usually have rez chant on my monk - on manual select. And rez signet on my other heros. I have been told by many of my friends give me different solutions; to have all your heros use rez signet, all on rez chant, no rez on monk at all, rebirth on monk.
I mean its not really much of a problem with me, because no one in my group usually dies unless we get ganked, I am just wondering, from one of you "elite players" What is best thing to do?
Thank you guys
Tyla
Don't bother with res on Monks. Even on real players. There is nearly always something you can use instead of it for efficiency, and if your party wiped, you would spend less time just dying and ressing, if not bring res scrolls.
As for res on heroes apart from Monks, I disagree. Mid-battle res skills could easily prevent wipes, not to mention that DPSignet also doubles up as a DP preventer for whoever uses it, given the ally dies.
As for res on heroes apart from Monks, I disagree. Mid-battle res skills could easily prevent wipes, not to mention that DPSignet also doubles up as a DP preventer for whoever uses it, given the ally dies.
Taisayacho
Rebirth or Res Chant, generally, from what I've experienced. Sig works ok too, but obviously limited use.
SirNazron
Thanks Tyla and Taisayaco
DarkGanni
If I have to take a mid battle ress skill that would be DP Signet or Restore Life.
TalanRoarer
Restore Life or res chant for me on Heros, but on My character [war] i take Rebirth.
Taisayacho
Restore life is an ok battle res, but the whole touch-skill idea doesn't suit me well.
Tyla
Super Igor
dont bother with rez on monks, nohing worse than losing your monk due to ressing wile team is collapsing. Use hardrezzes on any other char you want, but not primary healers, best resses imho are FoMF, DPS and our ever so loved Vengeance! Worst rez is surely Ressurect, most balanced is Rez Sig and most "Good but useless" is rebirth cuz you use it incase everyone has died cuz they are bad and you are bad wasting their time on ressing everyone.
I Will Heal You Ally
I disable REZ on my monk (rb) so in case it survives it will have a way to rez us all... other then that I like bringing Restore Life (short casting time) on my ele heroes cuz they can do a rez and have plenty energy to continue... As for rest I take DPS or Chant... I never put rez on me (I rather bring Rez Scroll) and since there are so many pve spells I have a really hard time putting up a build that can have a good use...
komma
tbh if i bring res on a hero it will be on a hero that is rit secondary....and i usually bring flesh of my flesh or death pact sig.
DarkSpirit
I favor res that gives full health and full energy. This is why I like Vengeance when with heroes and henchies, but you need to tweak that and I usually let my MM carry it so that nobody would use it on the MM for obvious reasons.
Having res make them more powerful. Otherwise try fighting stone summit in Slavers with and without FS.
Having res make them more powerful. Otherwise try fighting stone summit in Slavers with and without FS.
DarkNecrid
Rezzes are terrible.
If you have to use 1, use a rez scroll.
Otherwise learn to monk/get better monks.
If you have to use 1, use a rez scroll.
Otherwise learn to monk/get better monks.
Rhamia Darigaz
elite player here.
don't even bother with reses at all. if ur truly elite nothing will die, ever.
anything but perfection in the srs bsns that is pve should be considered total failure
don't even bother with reses at all. if ur truly elite nothing will die, ever.
anything but perfection in the srs bsns that is pve should be considered total failure
squiros
the monk almost always brings rebirth. obviously doesn't cast in battle. a good monk probably has the keenest idea on what the party can or can not handle. when the party is going to collapse, the monk has the greatest chance of getting out.
the counterpoint is that everyone should just die and restart at shrine. however, the monk's skills are hit the hardest by dp because she's usually one of the most critical elements.
rebirth is usually good since it can mitigate aggro problems.
the counterpoint is that everyone should just die and restart at shrine. however, the monk's skills are hit the hardest by dp because she's usually one of the most critical elements.
rebirth is usually good since it can mitigate aggro problems.
DarkSpirit
Lol! Yes if you are super duper elite and you or your heroes/henchies/allies will never ever die (i.e. they are all Legendary Survivor material), you dont need a res of course.
DarkNecrid
obsidian ectoplasm
if you're gonna take rez, I think the 4 best options are,
Rebirth,
rez chant,
Flesh of my flesh,
Death pact signet.
Rebirth,
rez chant,
Flesh of my flesh,
Death pact signet.
zelgadissan
If I (a midliner) carry a hard rez skill, it's either Rebirth for "o shit" moments or Death Pact Signet for mid-battle revival.
Monks do not bring a rez, end of story. It's 4-6 seconds of them not healing your party, and if somebody's dead, they need to be healing your party. As far as having a rez skill disabled, I say that if you just bring another heal or prot, there's a much better chance of not ever needing that rez in the first place.
As far as personal choice goes, I diversify - the hero setup I usually use is Mo/E without a res, N/Mo with Rez Chant, and R/Me with Rez Signet, plus me, Me/Rt with Death Pact Signet.
Monks do not bring a rez, end of story. It's 4-6 seconds of them not healing your party, and if somebody's dead, they need to be healing your party. As far as having a rez skill disabled, I say that if you just bring another heal or prot, there's a much better chance of not ever needing that rez in the first place.
As far as personal choice goes, I diversify - the hero setup I usually use is Mo/E without a res, N/Mo with Rez Chant, and R/Me with Rez Signet, plus me, Me/Rt with Death Pact Signet.
DarkSpirit
Jongal
U guys know that rezzing at the shrine is not an option in missions ?
MikeThePsycho
Well, if you can mange your energy efficiently on a Monk, Unyielding Aura makes for a decent choice. Massive boost to healing, cancel it and its like rebirth without the energy penalties, only 5 energy to recast. Only issue is that its a maintained enchant, losing a pip of energy regen.
Which, given my R11 Luxon title, is why I love Selfless Spirit.
Also, if you are packing Healers boon, several rezzes in the healing line can be cut to 2 or 3 seconds. Ghostly Haste or Mindbender (with high asuran title) can also significantly cut rez times.
All in all, given that henches are useless, and random pugs are often horrible, I put a rez on all my heroes other than an MM. And I may put rebirth on myself if its a mission, depending on which one it is.
Which, given my R11 Luxon title, is why I love Selfless Spirit.
Also, if you are packing Healers boon, several rezzes in the healing line can be cut to 2 or 3 seconds. Ghostly Haste or Mindbender (with high asuran title) can also significantly cut rez times.
All in all, given that henches are useless, and random pugs are often horrible, I put a rez on all my heroes other than an MM. And I may put rebirth on myself if its a mission, depending on which one it is.
arturfel
Signet of return, death pact signet and veagence
glacialphoenix
I don't put rez on my monk heroes, because I don't use them to rez midbattle or outside of battle. If you forget to set the rez to manual the monk AI immediately starts rezzing midbattle, which is worse.
I favour putting my ele heroes /rt or /p for Flesh of my Flesh or Signet of Return. Or hey, if you use mez heroes... fast cast is pretty handy for a midbattle rez imo.
I favour putting my ele heroes /rt or /p for Flesh of my Flesh or Signet of Return. Or hey, if you use mez heroes... fast cast is pretty handy for a midbattle rez imo.
kazi_saki
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Originally Posted by MikeThePsycho
Well, if you can mange your energy efficiently on a Monk, Unyielding Aura makes for a decent choice. Massive boost to healing, cancel it and its like rebirth without the energy penalties, only 5 energy to recast. Only issue is that its a maintained enchant, losing a pip of energy regen.
so true. only rez i have on my monk since it turns even mend ailment into a powerheal.
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit
No reply to my challenge? Just as I expected, all talk.
First, I was asleep.
Second, lol H/H.
Third, gimme 6 other players who don't suck and we can go do it.
srsly the only time I H/H now is versus Shiro because that's the only way to make him a slight challenge. i don't even play often anymore because the game is going stale, but when i do play im always playing with friends (who don't blow) in a full human party (whoah...playing a multiplayer game with other people...mindblowing concept.), so.
Even then if you're doing H/H, take a rez scroll.
Using a rez is a waste of a slot in PvE and shouldn't be happening unless if you have bad bars, or make a VERY TERRIBLE mistake which shouldn't be happening either.
In PvP having rezzes on your mid & front makes sense since you have a lot of stuff on the line usually, but in PvE a rez scroll is enough, or take UA.
Second, lol H/H.
Third, gimme 6 other players who don't suck and we can go do it.
srsly the only time I H/H now is versus Shiro because that's the only way to make him a slight challenge. i don't even play often anymore because the game is going stale, but when i do play im always playing with friends (who don't blow) in a full human party (whoah...playing a multiplayer game with other people...mindblowing concept.), so.
Even then if you're doing H/H, take a rez scroll.
Using a rez is a waste of a slot in PvE and shouldn't be happening unless if you have bad bars, or make a VERY TERRIBLE mistake which shouldn't be happening either.
In PvP having rezzes on your mid & front makes sense since you have a lot of stuff on the line usually, but in PvE a rez scroll is enough, or take UA.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by SirNazron
Other than that, if I can fit one on another hero then I do, but if I feel that slot would be better used to enhance the build then I forego it. I try to make more of an effort to include Res skills when I team with other humans "just in case".
My most used Res skills are Resurrection Chant, Death Pact Signet and Signet of Return. Rebirth I use sparingly. I always disable Res skills on heroes and micro their use myself when required.
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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid
Even then if you're doing H/H, take a rez scroll.
I advocate this also.
Destro Maniak
If you have any kind of ress shrine, NEVER GET RESS SKILL as long as you got some four leaf clovers
And if on a mission make sure everyone does bungusmaximus
My monks don't have res, the rest all have signets. It's some sort of life insurance, same as a condom, when you don't need it and you have it, there's no problem. When you need it and don't have it, you're GOREDENGINEGOED
Super Igor
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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit
I favor res that gives full health and full energy. This is why I like Vengeance.
MOAR VENGEANCE!!! <3
srsly lurve dat skill. :3 Rehwyn
I'd like to point out that this is the "Heroes & AI" section of the forums, and thus it is irrelevant to this thread if someone and their seven l33t human friends need to bring res skills or not. This thread concerns res skills on heroes, which typically indicates H/H or at least only a few human players. Moreover, it's a general question and does not specifically address a certain dungeon or point in the game. Thus, the answer should concern all areas of the game, including points where it is far too early to carry res scrolls.
Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
With that said, my train of thought is similar to Celestial Beaver's: Quote: I don't give my hero monks a Resurrection skill.
Other than that, if I can fit one on another hero then I do, but if I feel that slot would be better used to enhance the build then I forego it. I try to make more of an effort to include Res skills when I team with other humans "just in case". My most used Res skills are Resurrection Chant, Death Pact Signet and Signet of Return. Rebirth I use sparingly. I always disable Res skills on heroes and micro their use myself when required. That's basically exactly what I do. Sakura Az
Fomf on a mesmer is what i prefer.. and sigs on everyone else except for monks, works out usualy.
Ariena Najea
When you're with all H/H, if you can spare /Mo or are primary I highly suggest Rebirth.
I've noticed a few people are giving the usual "PvE is easy, anything works, if someone dies then you suck" and honestly I think they're playing a different game. I'd be very impressed if anyone went through the entirety of the game without having a single H/H die once. Then try it on Hard Mode My question to these people, is what happens when you get disconnected for a minute? You return to find a patrol destroying your party, most of whom are dead already, and another patrol is heading your way... Seems to me you can either let everyone (including yourself) die and res at the shrine (assuming there is one ) or simply run away to come back and Rebirth. Rebirth on heroes is a waste though, even with manual casting something usually goes wrong. Stick to res signet on heroes, unless you're running one of the shorter resses on either a Mesmer with fast casting, or other enhancements such as Healer's Boon or Holy Haste. Age
I have got rebirth on my Monk heros but it is disabled all the time just like most of them all.
_Nihilist_
For why a Monk Hero should never have a Rez on their bar, check the Sticky in the Monk part of this Forum.
Furthermore, as a Monk, why the GO ENGINE RED GO ENGINE RED GO would you want to deplete ALL of your energy (after wasting a few seconds to rez someone) just so that when they are up, you can't heal them? Doesn't make sense to me. Res Chant FomF DPSignet If I absolutely HAVE to have Rebirth at all, I go W/Mo and bring it with me. This is usually done in PuG's. I can run any bar that I want to, and sacrifice my utility skill for an easy pull-n-Rez. When my team asks me why I am not healing them when I Rez them, if they don't understand why I give either my Monks or my N/Rt's priority on first Rez, I reply with: "I'm a Warrior, I kill things. The Monk (or N/Rt) will heal you, give them a second." |