I just had a thought, what if Anet were to pick a skill in the primary attribute line of each profession and buff it to the point where each class is desirable for that specific skill for elite areas, what would happen?
the skills could be like the following
Monk could be Divine Intervention- 5 energy 15 sec recharge, 40% dam reduction from critical hits and 20% dam reduction from attacks lasting 10 seconds IN elite Areas only( pretend buff)
paragon ~10% dam increase, and 20% dam reduction in elite areas party wide buff synergizes with TNTF
etc..
Discussion about making each profession usable in Elite areas.
Heloniar
zelgadissan
Any class is usable in elite areas because elite areas really aren't that hard. The four people in my guild who regularly do stuff together have gone through every elite area - we're a mesmer, necro, dervish, and ranger. You'll notice not one member of the holy trinity, but it still gets done. Major lolz at buffing There's Nothing to Fear, btw.
/notsigned in case this gets moved to Sardelac.
/notsigned in case this gets moved to Sardelac.
Covah
There are only 8 party slots (other then deep and urgoz) there are more professions, not everyone can win. People also don't like forming balanced groups so it wouldn't happen even if it was implamented.
Quaker
Um, .. I didn't know that there was any problem with any particular class in any particular area. You may find that some classes/builds work better in certain areas, but any class can be used with the proper build and/or group.
Heloniar
the skill were supposed to be an 3rd skill that went with SY, TNTF, replacing standard of honor or GFTE..
but it wasn't a suggestion. I KNOW that it aint happening.
I tried to get a pug for a full UWSC but I got denied because i wanted my para to have the grenth statue.
but it wasn't a suggestion. I KNOW that it aint happening.
I tried to get a pug for a full UWSC but I got denied because i wanted my para to have the grenth statue.
MisterB
It makes more sense to design the elite areas better, instead of throwing in even more overpowered skills into primary profession attributes. The best option for forming groups is friends and guildies. You can run any profession if you coordinate.
edit: You were denied because it was a speed clear, and Paragons don't really fit in that role at all. You could borrow someone's heroes, and do UW 1 + 6 on your Paragon, or just find one other person who wants to do all the quests.
edit: You were denied because it was a speed clear, and Paragons don't really fit in that role at all. You could borrow someone's heroes, and do UW 1 + 6 on your Paragon, or just find one other person who wants to do all the quests.
germanturkey
paragons don't really need another 20% damage reduction...
Covah
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Originally Posted by Heloniar
I tried to get a pug for a full UWSC but I got denied because i wanted my para to have the grenth statue.
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Heloniar
well, I had this vision of leading my guildies in, and they see the text and amazing them that i did all this on one character.. :P
_Nihilist_
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Originally Posted by MisterB
edit: You were denied because it was a speed clear, and Paragons don't really fit in that role at all.
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Here's your answer as to why you couldn't get into a UWSC. UWSC's do not use Para's. They use Sin's and Ele's.
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just find one other person who wants to do all the quests.
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Here's what you do about it.
If I can clear UW with my brother and 6 Heroes using a Godmode Dslash Warrior, you can clear it with 1 other player and 6 Heroes using an Imbagon.
You aren't going to SC it (15 minutes, FTW), but if you want your Statue, go get your Statue. Lyssa's Luck be with you.
slowerpoke
professions are like skills
theres a selection of them, only a limited number can be taken at once
bring what best fits the current situation
some are better in certain areas
theres a selection of them, only a limited number can be taken at once
bring what best fits the current situation
some are better in certain areas
Heloniar
maybe I weren't clear, I consider SCs as like taking under 3 hours to finish with any other profession, weren't really trying for 15 minutes :P
Sharkman
You had your chance with [Ursan Blessing]...You see where that went.
Heloniar
well, my para can create a artifical UB enviroment for 7 other players.. yet, it's not accepted?!
Nessar
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Originally Posted by Sharkman
You had your chance with [Ursan Blessing]...You see where that went.
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Ursan allowed it, people QQ'd, and now you have this :P
DarkFlame
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Originally Posted by Sharkman
You had your chance with [Ursan Blessing]...You see where that went.
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Luminarus
Ursan was around, people complained it was broken.
Ursan gets nefed, people complain they cant use it.
Anet just cant win.
Ursan gets nefed, people complain they cant use it.
Anet just cant win.
Joe Fierce
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Ursan was around, people complained it was broken.
Ursan gets nefed, people complain they cant use it. Anet just cant win. |
said this the instant ursan got nerfed, i hated it as well, it devalues alot of things, but i still said "watch in one week yall be QQing about no one doing elites anymore or your class not being included"
and as for the op, just start running with people that are smart enough to realize that the trinity or gimmick isn't always the greatest and lets you run what you wish to run.
and as for those complaining about the old school trinity that are rangers, i'm primary ranger, i still got into trinity groups, it's called tanking, and rangers do it the best...but the days of crappy tank and spank are gone thank god, so I don't have to do that anymore.
Better to burn out
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maybe I weren't clear, I consider SCs as like taking under 3 hours to finish with any other profession, weren't really trying for 15 minutes :P
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Heloniar
please keep this topic on track, it's not about QQing about ursan.
thanks!
we tried and failed... had a eternal bal's derv, nuker, SS, a noob tank *sigh* and a terra tank that left. had a HB monk, and hero HB monk.
made it to chaos plains reaper and wiped, partly ebcause the noob grabbed restore mouments before we could clear all mouments of monsters.
thanks!
we tried and failed... had a eternal bal's derv, nuker, SS, a noob tank *sigh* and a terra tank that left. had a HB monk, and hero HB monk.
made it to chaos plains reaper and wiped, partly ebcause the noob grabbed restore mouments before we could clear all mouments of monsters.
Clone
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said this the instant ursan got nerfed, i hated it as well, it devalues alot of things, but i still said "watch in one week yall be QQing about no one doing elites anymore or your class not being included"
and as for the op, just start running with people that are smart enough to realize that the trinity or gimmick isn't always the greatest and lets you run what you wish to run. |
Heloniar
so the alternative is give each class one primary attribute pve elite area only skill (like the celestial skills) so, each class has a unique skill that will help in that situation.
presto every profession has something to offer.
presto every profession has something to offer.
MisterB
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Originally Posted by Heloniar
so the alternative is give each class one primary attribute pve elite area only skill (like the celestial skills) so, each class has a unique skill that will help in that situation.
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The solution is, again, to find at least one other person who wants to do all the quests like you do, and form your own group.
Limu Tolkki
Yeah would be cool. No, wait a sec... but they're usable already! /notsigned
Heloniar
meh this thread has gone downhill since it were moved.. it weren't a suggestion thread at all!
N1ghtstalker
any proff is usable if used properly
even ritu/para and especially mesmer
i've done some HM missions with a mesmer and she delivered massive damage output
even ritu/para and especially mesmer
i've done some HM missions with a mesmer and she delivered massive damage output
Tyla
In speedclears, people use whatever clears fastest to them.
In normal clears, you're better of not PuGging.
You're available to do these areas with a multitude of builds already, but people want maximum efficiency in their eyes.
In normal clears, you're better of not PuGging.
You're available to do these areas with a multitude of builds already, but people want maximum efficiency in their eyes.
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by Heloniar
I just had a thought, what if Anet were to pick a skill in the primary attribute line of each profession and buff it to the point where each class is desirable for that specific skill for elite areas, what would happen?
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The problem is that by making all professions exactly equal, like Ursan did, you effectively remove all builds and professions from the game. If everything plays the same, it doesn't matter what you play.
That is part of the reason why Ursan was so bad for the game, it did away with necros, mesmers, warriors, etc and replaced them all with Ursans.
To make your new totally-equal skills equal to all players, you also have to design it for the lowest common denominator, so even idiots and little children can't play it wrong. That is, no combos, no synergy, no tactics, just random button mashing.
That is more of the reason why Ursan was so bad for the game.
So, as is probably obvious:
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DarkNecrid
Each class is useful in Elite areas, especially now, you just have to have good players who are willing to think outside the PUG mentality.
Etsuko
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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid
Each class is useful in Elite areas, especially now, you just have to have good players who are willing to think outside the PUG mentality.
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baltazar knight
elite areas are fine imo /notsigned
glacialphoenix
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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid
Each class is useful in Elite areas, especially now, you just have to have good players who are willing to think outside the PUG mentality.
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/notsigned
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
If you don't make all professions exactly equal, like Ursan did, some combination will always be considered slightly more powerful, and the slightly less powerful avoided.
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