Targeting Sliver Armor

Destro Maniak

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

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As you can guess from the topic how can I make the sliver armor target the boss

Because on some bosses its nearly impossible to target the boss

so pls help

ty

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

No way to do it, I'm afraid. Sliver armor is pretty much random. It's not completely random as it will usually target one kind of enemy before another. In ToPK, for instance, it will always take out the scythes in a mixed group before targeting the grasps. (On the other hand in a group of grasps and worms it's an even bet which will be hit first) But other than knowing which kind of enemy it will more likely hit first, there is no way to predict which specific foe it will target.

Edit: hp can't be the key since the broodmother would always be hit before the nestlings and anyone who does raptor runs knows she only gets hit first about 1/2 the time. I doubt wanding does it either as I always attack the broodmother with my wand or staff on raptor runs and she is still the target of sliver only about half the time. Closeness doesn't seem to be the key either since in groups of dryders and dreamriders sliver will often target a foe at the back of the group and skip over ones in the front who are much closer.

MagmaRed

MagmaRed

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Join Date: Mar 2007

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Usually targets the closest monster to you first. That is why most farming builds that used it used Shadow Form to make sure all damage was negated, and a shadow step to get next to a boss FAST. As soon as you would shadow step to a boss, you would activate Sliver Armor so it would target the boss.

Destro Maniak

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Join Date: Aug 2006

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed View Post
Usually targets the closest monster to you first. That is why most farming builds that used it used Shadow Form to make sure all damage was negated, and a shadow step to get next to a boss FAST. As soon as you would shadow step to a boss, you would activate Sliver Armor so it would target the boss.
this kinda works
ty

Shursh

Shursh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2008

KaVa

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i was under the impression that it targets the whatever mob has the highest hp bar -- for example in the UW, when only graspings are around it will target one randomly, but when i aggro an aatxe and it comes in range, sliver armor will switch targets to the aatxe

of course i could be completely wrong and jumping to conclusions

Striken7

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

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Another thing to note is that it will remember previous targets.

For example, if you get a monster down to 1/5-1/4 health and it manages to run away, SA will begin damaging the next target (however this is determined). If that first monster returns within range however, the damage will immediately shift back to it regardless of the health of the current target.

geforce

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

i do belive if u wand the boss whenever u can ( worked for me ) then it targets it first or second .

Shadow-Hunter

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Denmark

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Well, i tried to farm some grawl for the fan thingy in talus clute. And trying to kill the casters was pretty much impossible. On time I even sstepped to a caster, Sliver armor damaged it, but soon as a melee grawl came in range sliver changed target.
And in TopK UW it seem to target like: Dyder -> mesmer mob thingys -> melee guys. Even if the dyder isnt even in melee range it sliver armor trend to target it.

So the targetting is pretty crappy imo. Tryed to solo farm some greens in SF once, but didnt go very well because it was so extreemly hard to get sliver to target the bosses.

Zapper901

Zapper901

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Join Date: Jan 2007

Fire and [ICE]

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If you time it where the boss is just coming into Sliver Armor range as you activate it, it will target the boss consistently. You just have to get the timing down, and for the raptor build that I use, I do. It targets the boss almost all the time.

hawaiian143

hawaiian143

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Join Date: May 2008

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Originally Posted by Zapper901 View Post
If you time it where the boss is just coming into Sliver Armor range as you activate it, it will target the boss consistently. You just have to get the timing down, and for the raptor build that I use, I do. It targets the boss almost all the time.

I agree, i do the same thing with the the broodmother and other bosses and they're usually the first to die, and i found that timing is the critical part cuz if u dont time it right ur screwed lol

Luminarus

Luminarus

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Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

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It doesnt always target the same monster, as there are times I have found when it has been pounding one dood, then another dood comes in and it kills him instead.

On the other hand, it usually stays, especially with boss farming. Its not entirely random but its close enough to it.

tmakinen

tmakinen

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Join Date: Nov 2005

www.mybearfriend.net

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My current working hypothesis is that Sliver Armor works its way through the aggro list, starting on top. Foes with which you're currently interacting are represented by the computer as some sort of list, and every time when SA triggers the program traverses the list from top towards bottom and inflicts the damage to the first foe that is within the radius of the effect. The list is only reshuffled when new mobs engage you during a fight and this explains both the persistence (monsters that flee because of getting hit by SA will get hit again as soon as they return to the fight) and sudden retargeting when new mobs join the fight.

The conventional wisdom that SA targets the foe with most health may just be an artifact of bigger monsters (especially bosses) being always at the top of the list of their respective mob. The order in which mob lists are merged seems to be unpredictable but when you have aggroed several mobs before activating SA it will chew through the monsters one mob at a time. This can be seen with the raptor farm. Once you have all the 33 nestlings and Broodmother trained on you and hit sliver, Broodmother may be targeted practically anywhere between first and about 2/3 through the nestlings. Getting targeted first corresponds to Broodmother's own mob having ended as the first mob on the aggro list, and getting targeted after about 20 nestlings have already been killed corresponds to Broodmother's mob being the last mob on the list and you having to power through all other mobs before getting to Broodmother. Also, if you happen to fumble and die in the middle of a run and return to finish it you'll notice that some mobs were completely eliminated and others weren't affected at all.

DarkGanni

DarkGanni

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

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When doing chamber part in UW from the mob of Aatxes and graspings its always the Aatxes that are targeted first, Not sure if the size of the creature matters, same thing for bosses. Sometimes in UW Sliver hits the keeper of souls with 4 Vengeful aatxes aggroed. As already been said, its not completely random.

- Ganni

BrettM

BrettM

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Join Date: Aug 2008

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I farm the mobs of undead behind Oink's house in Gates of Kryta frequently. I've noticed that Sliver Armor will always target Hellhounds in preference to Grasping Ghouls and Zombie Warlocks in preference to Hellhounds. The interesting thing is that the preferred targets take more damage than the secondary targets: -31 for Zombies, -25 for Hellhounds, and -22 for Grasping Ghouls. I was wondering if SA was somehow choosing the most vulnerable targets to take out first.

MagmaRed

MagmaRed

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Join Date: Mar 2007

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Originally Posted by BrettM View Post
I farm the mobs of undead behind Oink's house in Gates of Kryta frequently. I've noticed that Sliver Armor will always target Hellhounds in preference to Grasping Ghouls and Zombie Warlocks in preference to Hellhounds. The interesting thing is that the preferred targets take more damage than the secondary targets: -31 for Zombies, -25 for Hellhounds, and -22 for Grasping Ghouls. I was wondering if SA was somehow choosing the most vulnerable targets to take out first.
Damage has several factors that contribute to it. Armor of the monster, level of the monster, resistance of the monster, etc. The Grasps and Hellhounds are both warriors, but they are different levels, and may have different armor/resistances.