you knew it was coming ;)

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

NEW VIDEOS!! featuring a slightly less brutal, but more methodical Shinde... with a res!

Soul of an Assassin, Heart of a Monk

Soul of an Assassin, Heart of a Monk 2

proof that sins can be more than 12345 and can hold more weight in a team than just damage-dealing. just felt like throwing this out there. feel free to lock it like the other one.

TrippieHippie89

TrippieHippie89

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

Saegertown, PA

High by Nine [Bong]

Me/W

Honestly this is pretty much a 23454545454545454545454 sin bar with sub-par condition removal...there's nothing on that bar to make yourself less than the same old squishy ass sin

plus....its RA

The WoH asscaster has more "party" support than this build

amrock

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Norway

yesterdays legion

Mo/

The only good thing with that movie was the music :P What band/song is it?

My Lipgloss is Cool

My Lipgloss is Cool

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

My Computer

Band Of The H A W K

P/Mo

I'm wondering weather it is worth it to go through and count all the times you tried to do your chain on enemies with lots of block, or reapplied Holy Veil for no reason, or other examples of why you are the same as the other 90% of RAers.

Meh, you get the idea

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Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Wait, a Moebius sin with a hex and condition removal is supposed to be exciting?

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

i knew it was coming because when anet is around, it's easy to predict when more fail is coming.

Sovlios

Sovlios

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Israel

A/R

Well, you can only support with holy viel. The touch is for your perosnal use only....... so its 12.5% support; while wasting an important slot of a skill

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

Quote:
The WoH asscaster has more "party" support than this build
if i didnt have that exact build, we would have lost. an asscaster would have sucked in those same situations (hex/cond spam, multiple enemy healers, etc)
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tried to do your chain on enemies with lots of block
i will always try to hit through guardian, because 50/50 is good enough for me. count the times my attack connected or killed the guardianed target. and if it was blocked, i can always try the other dual, or moebius again.
Quote: or reapplied Holy Veil for no reason watch more closely, those were the times i was veiling someone else, or it was removed by a foe
Quote: The touch is for your perosnal use only....... i can mend anyone
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while wasting an important slot of a skill no, putting something else would be a waste
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Wait, a Moebius sin with a hex and condition removal is supposed to be exciting?
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The only good thing with that movie was the music :P What band/song is it? yeah, i admit they dont have the epic brutality of the first 2 videos. check those out, they're called "Shinde's Brutal Stampede".

all music is by Trivium, from their album, Shogun. i have the cd and it's great, go buy it.

Shuuda

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guildless

Me/

You sure take a long time to kill people in these videos... Go go go Shock Axe! Also, I feels as though you have an overly bloated opinion of yourself.

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

it took awhile because every match i included had enemy healers. some had more than one. many had antimelee. seriously, a shock axe would take MUCH longer. dont kid yourself.

for the whole 10-win streak i had a cripslash warrior and a devhammer warrior as allies. they provided decent harassment, but i was the highest damage source in the team, made all the important kills, and saved my monk's ass over and over (his hex removal was smite hex FFS xD! but he could redbar ok).

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Bull's Strike and Shock. That's 6 whole seconds on the floor which equates to 6 adrenaline and a shit load of damage. Rush also comes into the equation, which is alot more maintainable than Dash.

A Cripslash deals an incredible amount of pressure is played correctly, and a Dev Hammer could keep something dead for ages. Also keep in mind this is Random Arenas.

Don't take all the credit for yourself. If you are, go play a 1v1 game instead.

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

hmm yeah they were alright. the devhammer mostly monkstomped so i guess he kept them busy. the cripslash was pretty smart, he had savageslash, shock, and bulls iirc and did spike assists.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

both warriors did a lot more than you did, you attacked through guardian which is something even a person who has been playing for a week can figure out not to do (it's more than a 50% chance, it comes out a lot higher when you factor in all the damage mitigation it will do from your attack chains), and you have no offensive support abilities, your defensive support abilities are mediocre considering what they are replacing, and you try to take all the credit when you would have died a lot if there weren't a Monk or two warriors making sure you don't die.

guild wars even in RA is a team game, not a one trick pony where 1 person just carries the "alright" team.

hurric

hurric

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

BC

your sin is strong

edit: those people who get it get it. No reason to argue over a build in RA.

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

glad you like it hurric. and lol, moriz.

there were times we couldve wiped if it wasnt for my defensive support, or me forcing a kill on a dangerous foe, at times taking a chance at guardian. the warriors couldnt have done much in those times, or didnt identify the threat.

or that match with the SoM+plaguesend mes couldve gone longer (and more gay/boring) than it already was if i wasnt mending blind and attacking through guardian

but yeah i like my other build more for obvious reasons.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

You shouldn't be attempting to spike a target with a 'Sin through Guardian, or with anything for that matter unless you have some anti-block, such as Rigor Mortis. Doing that results in failure with at least one attack in your chain 75% of the time.

How could the Warriors have not done much in those times anyway?

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

well they dont have 4 pips of energy to make veil and mend feasible for them.

if they switch away from a priority target because it got guardianed, they're leaving it free to do its stuff. and if they stay on it, they could waste adrenaline getting their attack skills blocked which they will have to build up again

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

see this is why you're bad and why everyone in the RA thread thinks you're a joke

a) they aren't going to keep attacking a guardianed targeted because they aren't dumb like some people.
b) you're supposed to be switching targets as a Warrior ANYWAYS except on a spike. if you aren't you're being PRETTY TERRIBLE
c) yes they are leaving the Guardianed monk free to do its stuff but you're a really bad player who focuses on DOING BIG DOMAGE and you seem to forget that Monk's have this magical thing called an Energy Bar, and if you switch targets to a person who doesn't have block, the following just happened:
-The Monk wasted 5 energy on a Guardian that did nothing for him.
-The Monk's going to waste 5+ energy to heal your new target, a lot more than he will himself because you're doing less damage to HIM than you would a target with NO BLOCK.
-The Monk will waste 5 energy to Guardian him if it gets bad (then you'll switch)

He can only do this SO MANY TIMES before he gets burned out THEN you kill him.

Warrior's aren't fragile enough to need 100% VEIL ON THEIR OWN BARS or MEND neither are Assassins if played right. Veil works ok but you're better off utilizing other secondary class skills than Monk anyways.

the savage nornbear

the savage nornbear

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

The Raging Cadavers [rage]

R/

Your the mostest Random Arenaer I ever did see! Oh and lulz at trying to hit through guardian. Your the type of sin who my ranger loves raping while in my stances.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

And even then, if you get someone smart enough to hit the Shield Bash button on Moebius Strike, or Golden Phoenix Strike an Assassin is completely screwed up. Keep in mind this kills 70% of an Assassins damage output, and things like Diversion, Distracting Shot and the likes do the same. Take out a part of their chain, and they're screwed up nearly completely.

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
at times taking a chance at guardian. Do you listen to yourself talk, or does your godcomplex override that?

Wow! You made a build that can win semi-consistently in RA! You must be, like, the only one who has one of those!

But, instead of just being happy with your easy faction, or posting your amazing build on the RA thread, you have to make two threads on the Assassin forum, saying how awesome you, and you alone are?

Your builds worked in the situations that you posted, but to say, 'if i didnt have that exact build, we would have lost.' is more than a little pretentious.

You want to deal some damage and heal?; You want a Rit

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petrorabbit

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

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Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool View Post
Do you listen to yourself talk, or does your godcomplex override that?

Wow! You made a build that can win semi-consistently in RA! You must be, like, the only one who has one of those!

But, instead of just being happy with your easy faction, or posting your amazing build on the RA thread, you have to make two threads on the Assassin forum, saying how awesome you, and you alone are?

Your builds worked in the situations that you posted, but to say, 'if i didnt have that exact build, we would have lost.' is more than a little pretentious.

You want to deal some damage and heal?; You want a Rit

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Winner!!!

Can we lock the thread now?

DarkGanni

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
feel free to lock it like the other one.
I'm gonna be honest and say if I was a mod I would close the thread with pleasure.

Back on topic: Your build is nothing special imo. A wasted effort....seriously.


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Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool View Post
You want to deal some damage and heal?; You want a Rit I lol'd at that comment just because its sooooooooooooooooo true.

Master Ketsu

Master Ketsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

middle of nowhere

Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy]

R/

The build is actually fine ( as in average, not good ). It does enough to kill and can for the most part put a small damper on the massive amount of hexes. You don't need to remove everything, just that which causes it to no longer be worth it to attack.


...but the way the build is being used in that video leaves much to be desired. I see a sin run in to attack through spirits and end up not doing anything multiple times. Very bad. If you had paid more attention you could have spiked with the others on your team to guarantee a death instead of 3+ failed spikes. Lots of poor positioning. The fight against the doublemonks was the worst. the second moebius recharged your skills you should have switched to monk#2 instead of attacking through guardian. Read Darknecrids post to see why.

Turbobusa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

By the Luxon Scavenger

The Mentalists [THPK]

N/

Stupid flame is stupid.
He did encounter a shield bash monk and did not went stupid enough to use a skill through.
Ho and GG diversion and D shot on a moebius sin. Just don't get moebius interrupted.

At least if you're flaming watch the videos and don't come here just to look cool.
Or ignore the thread and go "whatever I'm better than that lolz i'm so cool I would so pwn him with *insert stupid conditions you know you couldn't handle but appear leet to newbies et 12yo's* "
Or don't flame.

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

@necrid, what if the "priority target" is not a monk, but a VoR/Backfire mesmer like in vid1 match 3? would you switch away from him just because he got guardianed? go ahead, and watch your team evaporate.

@nornbear, see the ranger in vid2 match1, he got some interrupts in, but was still pwnt
@tyla, everyone knows that, but the damage potential still makes it worth running
@lipgloss and darkganni, rits are mediocre
@ketsu and turbobusa, thx for being objective

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let's just say i bring stuff to the table that are hugely beneficial to any ra team and fill a large portion of what it takes to win.
1. big, sustainable, damage that is available on demand
2. extra cleanup, because it is painfully obvious that what monks bring isnt enough these days
3. if i'm using my "Brutal Stampede" build, massive disruption (kd spam) as well

moriz

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

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what if the "priority target" is not a monk, but a VoR/Backfire mesmer like in vid1 match 3? would you switch away from him just because he got guardianed? go ahead, and watch your team evaporate. it's not like constantly attacking him will do any better. he's still going to cast through your attack, simply because you'll likely miss. you are much better off going after another target, potentially kill that target, and cause your team to take less pressure with VoR/backfire because your team don't have to use skills/spells as much with a target down.

of course, given your build, it's unlikely that you'll kill anything fast enough to make that difference anyways. i guess your sheer mediocrity cancels itself out, and cause you to accidentally make the right choice anyways.

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

@moriz, that is correct from a warrior's pov, but my builds allow me to think positive and assume my attacks will connect and kill it.
@turbo, yeah dude
@nornbear, rangers are low on my priority list anyway

hurric

hurric

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

BC

all of you who don't attack thru guardian are not brave enough.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
@necrid, what if the "priority target" is not a monk, but a VoR/Backfire mesmer like in vid1 match 3? would you switch away from him just because he got guardianed? go ahead, and watch your team evaporate. yes because making the monk run out of energy or close to it is more important than killing someone now, especially in RA where a Monk can make a match last a lot longer than it needs to be.

if you attack the VoR/backfire mesmer while he's guardianed, more than half your damage gets mitigated making the monk have an easier time to heal.

if your entire team is spiking him, go for it, but if your by yourself, no don't you dare, go switch targets to pressure that blue bar.

Bobby2

Bobby2

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2007

Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards

[MaSS]

W/E

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid View Post
switch targets to pressure that blue bar. Thought it was worthy of highlighting. Seems like a new concept to some posters here.

My Lipgloss is Cool

My Lipgloss is Cool

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

My Computer

Band Of The H A W K

P/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
@lipgloss and darkganni, rits are mediocre So is your build, but you run it anyways.

The rit is the opposite of what you have going here, but it's also the same. You have a bunch of decent damage, and a bit of support; the rit has a bunch of decent support, and a bit of damage. With the RA meta (RA meta = what ever is Great on PvX atm, and your generic joke players) the way it is (VoR mesmers, BBsins, WSdervs, devhamerwars, etc.), I'd much prefer the extra support over the extra damage.

Speaking of WSdervs, if you were to throw Imbue Health on one of those, they'd probably out damage and out support you.

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X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

@necrid, i guess it will boil down to instinct considering multiple factors, ie primary target's current health, enemy monk pro or noob, my monk pro or noob, teammates pressuring enemy monk decently or not, or yeah will they help me gank, etc.

@snaek and bobby2, yeah im aware of its lack of disruption, thats what happens with bar compression, i had to fit in speed, hex/cond and res which leaves 4 attack slots. my other build has loads of disruption and is way cooler

@lipgloss, but i dont like playing rits and dervs

hhmnhmnmnk all your inputs have been considered