Can a Luxon cap Moebius Strike?
Stormweaver
Is there any way for me, a Luxon, to cap Moebius Strike? If not, is there a comparable skill that I should use? Thanks.
Darcy
You do not have to be Kurzick aligned to do the missions/quests on the Kurzick part of the map. Just follow the mission track to Eternal Grove, do that one and you will be able to enter the explorable and cap the elite.
Your alignment only affects your AB. Whether you have more Luxon faction than Kurzick (or vice versa) affects if merchants etc will speak to you. But you can gain Kurzick faction to meet the 10,000 requirement by doing the quests and farming faction with blessings, just as you did for the Luxon side of the map.
The wiki page for the skill explains this http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Moebius_Strike
Your alignment only affects your AB. Whether you have more Luxon faction than Kurzick (or vice versa) affects if merchants etc will speak to you. But you can gain Kurzick faction to meet the 10,000 requirement by doing the quests and farming faction with blessings, just as you did for the Luxon side of the map.
The wiki page for the skill explains this http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Moebius_Strike
illidan009
Lux/Kurz only affects your AB, as Darcy said. You can access any outpost you want, which means Moebius is in reach for you!! Good luck capping it 
Stormweaver
Thank you both very much!
Konig Des Todes
If you don't want to bother with the 10k Kurzick quest *the biggest issue for capping later elites in the Kurzick/Luxon areas*, you can leave from the Harvest Temple and head west, to the Kurzick Unwaking Waters outpost, and so on, all the way to Eternal Grove, without doing that quest.
Kerwyn Nasilan
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If you don't want to bother with the 10k Kurzick quest *the biggest issue for capping later elites in the Kurzick/Luxon areas*, you can leave from the Harvest Temple and head west, to the Kurzick Unwaking Waters outpost, and so on, all the way to Eternal Grove, without doing that quest.
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Capua
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I am almost positive that kurzick Unwaking in unreachable from Harvest temple,
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Luminarus
So that doesnt work... u still need to do the 10k kurz quest to get there...
Another option is buy a sin tome and unlock it on ur accnt if ur 2 lazy to go there and cap it urself.
Another option is buy a sin tome and unlock it on ur accnt if ur 2 lazy to go there and cap it urself.
Kerwyn Nasilan
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Originally Posted by Luminarus
So that doesnt work... u still need to do the 10k kurz quest to get there...
Another option is buy a sin tome and unlock it on ur accnt if ur 2 lazy to go there and cap it urself. |
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Capua
You need to have done Brfriending the kurzicks to be let in.
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Konig Des Todes
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Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan
I am almost positive that kurzick Unwaking in unreachable from Harvest temple,
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Originally Posted by Capua
You need to have done Brfriending the kurzicks to be let in.
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Originally Posted by Luminarus
So that doesnt work... u still need to do the 10k kurz quest to get there...
Another option is buy a sin tome and unlock it on ur accnt if ur 2 lazy to go there and cap it urself. |
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
AFAIK you simply need to have more Kurzick faction at the time and not be in a Luxon guild (being in a Kurzick guild, or being unaligned, works fine).
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My sin, and old warrior, both got into Unwaking Waters on the Luxon side without even touching the Befriending the Luxons quest. Why would the Kurzick side be any different???
I had Kurzick Faction, was in a Kurzick Guild, and didn't do Befriending the Luxons, and was able to get into Unwaking Waters (Luxon) without any problems...
Stormweaver
I did try walking west from Harvest Temple and ended up in the Luxon Unwaking Waters, not the Kurzick UW.
Tell me how tomes work. I can buy a tome and it will let me learn Moebius Strike?
Tell me how tomes work. I can buy a tome and it will let me learn Moebius Strike?
MisterB
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Originally Posted by Stormweaver
Tell me how tomes work. I can buy a tome and it will let me learn Moebius Strike?
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Stormweaver
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Originally Posted by MisterB
Unlock the skill with 3,000 Balthazar Faction.
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Skyy High
PvP, or the Zaishen Elite challenge, which is playing on PvP maps against AI opponents.
MisterB
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How do I do that?
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http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Balthazar_faction
All your questions on acquisition can be answered there. Once you acquire 3,000 faction, talk to a Priest of Balthazar, and choose to unlock Moebius Strike.
Stormweaver
So Balthazar factions has to do with PvP which I have never done and truth be told does not appeal to me. So since I have never unlocked Moebius Strike that means a tome will do me no good, right?
MisterB
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So since I have never unlocked Moebius Strike that means a tome will do me no good, right?
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If you don't want to PvP, you can do either the Zaishen Challenge to earn 2K/day, or Zaishen Elite for 6K/day. Those are not terribly difficult. You could try to buy a golden flame of balthazar, but everyone is probably using their points for zaishen keys. You could also get tournament reward points from the Xunlai Tournament House.
Or, you could just go to Eternal Grove, and being a Luxon will not stop you from doing that.
Stormweaver
Thank you for your answers everyone.
Striken7
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My sin, and old warrior, both got into Unwaking Waters on the Luxon side without even touching the Befriending the Luxons quest. Why would the Kurzick side be any different???
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Darcy
Stormweaver, if you have ever done Fort Aspenwood, you have earned Balthazar Faction. Press H to bring up your Hero panel and see if you have any. You can earn it at a fair rate by fighting in Fort Aspenwood, then go to your guild hall when you have 3,000 and unlock the skill by talking to the Priest of Balthazar.
After that you can purchase or trade another player for an Elite Assassin Tome and obtain the skill for your character.
After that you can purchase or trade another player for an Elite Assassin Tome and obtain the skill for your character.
Konig Des Todes
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I did try walking west from Harvest Temple and ended up in the Luxon Unwaking Waters, not the Kurzick UW.
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But it would probably just be easier to PvP for 3k Balthazar faction then pay 5-10k for an elite tome.
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Originally Posted by Striken7
The NPC's at the entrances to both Unwaking Waters outposts will only let characters in after they have completed the Befriending quest for that outpost. You either remember wrong, or are confused.
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majikmajikmajik
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Is there any way for me, a Luxon, to cap Moebius Strike? If not, is there a comparable skill that I should use? Thanks.
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Stormweaver
Just so I'm sure, you can befriend the Luxons AND the Kurzicks? There is no issue doing that? It won't affect my being in a Luxon guild?
Darcy
The only way to remove your Luxon alignment is for your guild leader to change it.
The guild leader would need to remove the guild from any alliance and then go to Kurzick Ambassador (NPC) and pay 500 gold to change the guild's allegiance.
If you don't belong to a guild, then you would need to visit the ambassador and pay the fee. This allegiance can be switched back and forth as desired. The only thing that is affected is AB and Faction Donations.
The guild leader would need to remove the guild from any alliance and then go to Kurzick Ambassador (NPC) and pay 500 gold to change the guild's allegiance.
If you don't belong to a guild, then you would need to visit the ambassador and pay the fee. This allegiance can be switched back and forth as desired. The only thing that is affected is AB and Faction Donations.
Tom Swift
What guild you are in has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with being able to enter either territory, get armor from either side, choose either story line of the campaign or even getting the pve skills from lux/kurz or anything else with pve.
(If, however, you are going to use one of the faction npcs, such as armor maker, you do have to have more their faction unspent than of the other side. but that is the only difference faction makes in pve.)
Not only can you befriend both, you can actually do both at the same time. For instance, in Pongmai Valley there is a kurz shrine and a lux shrine. Get the blessings from each (you will have to pay 100g extra to the one you have less unspent points for) and you will get points for Both sides at the same time plus have the extra armor bonus from each. This is also handy for vanquishing and farming the area since you have double armor bonuses.
Since you are already at harvest temple, I would not recommend this method because you have obviously already done the Luxons. But it is handy if you start a new char and want to do both storylines at the same time. But the point is they really don't affect each other in any way except that when you actually spend your points you will lose the same amount from the unspent points on the other side.
Anyway, the point is, go ahead and befriend the Kurz - it won't affect your luxon guild one bit.
(If, however, you are going to use one of the faction npcs, such as armor maker, you do have to have more their faction unspent than of the other side. but that is the only difference faction makes in pve.)
Not only can you befriend both, you can actually do both at the same time. For instance, in Pongmai Valley there is a kurz shrine and a lux shrine. Get the blessings from each (you will have to pay 100g extra to the one you have less unspent points for) and you will get points for Both sides at the same time plus have the extra armor bonus from each. This is also handy for vanquishing and farming the area since you have double armor bonuses.
Since you are already at harvest temple, I would not recommend this method because you have obviously already done the Luxons. But it is handy if you start a new char and want to do both storylines at the same time. But the point is they really don't affect each other in any way except that when you actually spend your points you will lose the same amount from the unspent points on the other side.
Anyway, the point is, go ahead and befriend the Kurz - it won't affect your luxon guild one bit.
Stormweaver
So I now have 10k kurzick faction points but the allegiance person will not talk to me.
Do I need to quit my luxon guild, speak to the kurzick allegiance person, then rejoin my guild to befriend the kurzicks? Or am I speaking to the wrong person to befriend the Kurzicks?
Do I need to quit my luxon guild, speak to the kurzick allegiance person, then rejoin my guild to befriend the kurzicks? Or am I speaking to the wrong person to befriend the Kurzicks?
makosi
An NPC in Maatu Keep offers you Journey to House Zu Heltzer and Journey to Cavalon quests.
Once Journey to House Zu Heltzer is in your log, speak to the Juggernaut NPC in Altrumm Ruins and he'll let you in HzH. You can then progress through the Echovald Forest to cap Moebius.
You don't have to speak to an Allegiance NPC to hand over your faction. Speak to Count Zu Heltzer and he'll give you the quest that requires 10k Kurzick faction.
Once Journey to House Zu Heltzer is in your log, speak to the Juggernaut NPC in Altrumm Ruins and he'll let you in HzH. You can then progress through the Echovald Forest to cap Moebius.
You don't have to speak to an Allegiance NPC to hand over your faction. Speak to Count Zu Heltzer and he'll give you the quest that requires 10k Kurzick faction.
Stormweaver
Huh? Speak the Juggernaut NPC in AR to befriend the Kurzicks? Not sure what you mean.
Already have been to HzH and all areas south except I cannot get in to Eternal Grove.
Already have been to HzH and all areas south except I cannot get in to Eternal Grove.
Darcy
Speak to the Count. He will recognize that you have completed the quest Befriending the Kurzicks and offer you Defenders of the Forest.
That quest completion (bringing three NPCs to Eternal Grove) is your key to opening the gates at The Eternal Grove.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_D..._of_the_Forest
By the way, you can cash in your Kurzick faction for amber now, though you might want to keep some until you have finished in Echovald so the merchants will talk to you.
That quest completion (bringing three NPCs to Eternal Grove) is your key to opening the gates at The Eternal Grove.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_D..._of_the_Forest
By the way, you can cash in your Kurzick faction for amber now, though you might want to keep some until you have finished in Echovald so the merchants will talk to you.
Quaker
Actually, to properly answer your original question - no, a Luxon cannot cap that skill, the Kurzicks would kill him and I don't think NPCs can cap anyway. 
However, you, as a Tyrian/Canthan/Elonian who is allied with the Luxons, can indeed cap the skill. Just don't tell the Kurzicks oyur allied with the Luxons.
However, you, as a Tyrian/Canthan/Elonian who is allied with the Luxons, can indeed cap the skill. Just don't tell the Kurzicks oyur allied with the Luxons.
Luminarus
Lol quaker is funny, yes?
This is a common question because before you have done the game and seen the effects later on,picking one or the other seems a decision thats unalterable and sets you permanently.
This is a common question because before you have done the game and seen the effects later on,picking one or the other seems a decision thats unalterable and sets you permanently.
Stormweaver
I am happy to report that Moebius Strike has been captured and my thanks to everyone for your help.