Best Elite For Each Profession

jaximus

jaximus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2008

wisc

you argue against an elite because of overpowered pve skills. then you say you have 200 points to spend on the rest of your skills. why would you play a mesmer if you werent going to devote points to fast casting? thats foolish. then you say you can use skills instead of spells. last i checked mesmers were spell casters... if you are gonna argue to use skills, use a ranger with expertise. then youre argument for using skills doesnt work cuz then you are no longer a mesmer. so youre saying because of brawling headbutt- magehunter, dev hammer, backbreaker, and shove are bad elites for pve? so you are in favor of using your pve only skills but not essences of celerity? theres your recharge time reduction. your suggestion for best elite for every caster but monk was to use assassins promise. yes its a good pve elite. my ideas promoted playing a character with an elite from their primary. this thread is about the best elite for each profession. not being restricted to a certain secondary is also nice in many situations. if you want to play the game with all of your pve only skills and consets be my guest. i enjoy a bit more of a challenge.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

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Originally Posted by jaximus View Post
tyla i liked you cuz you made sense before. 2 rcs would be stupid seeing as the recharge is 2s. therefore that argument is flawed.
Read: "Cannot Target Self".

Quote: i could say why not two woh if word is better? youd step on each others toes if you did that and conditions would kill you. I'm not implying either is better. I'm saying they go hand-in-hand.

Quote: you keep saying deep freeze, do you bring an ele hero/person in hm? i see a lot of the triple necro/bha/barrage thing. Deep Freeze only needs /E. You can put it on one of your heroes, you know.

Quote: good thing about cripslash is the ability to use flail. your pesonal numbers from the sword are lower, but you trigger mark of pain more often leading to more dps as a whole. i view builds more of what can i do for the team than what i can do for me. my cripslash choice as the best elite for warriors in pve was because it offers a snare in one character without restricting to a secondary. im not saying with a proper team another elite cant be more effective. im purely offering evidence supported reasoning for why i chose what i did. You can already use Flail anyway. If you take a look at the D-Slasher, it's an incredibly cramped bar but the skill slots are worth it. Think about it; godmode, an enemy on the floor as much as possible...

This isn't PvP. Your Deep Freeze won't get interrupted that much. And this is a team game.

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you argue against an elite because of overpowered pve skills. then you say you have 200 points to spend on the rest of your skills. why would you play a mesmer if you werent going to devote points to fast casting? Exactly. What does Fast Casting bring to PvE that I can't do with Mindbender? Soul Reaping and other primaries are more useful than it.

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thats foolish. then you say you can use skills instead of spells. last i checked mesmers were spell casters... if you are gonna argue to use skills, use a ranger with expertise. then youre argument for using skills doesnt work cuz then you are no longer a mesmer. so youre saying because of brawling headbutt- magehunter, dev hammer, backbreaker, and shove are bad elites for pve? Why would you want to run Dev Hammer, Backbeaker or Shove (which is bad anyway) in PvE when you have Brawling Headbutt? More to the case, what sort of idiot would bring any of those elites over Earth Shaker?

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so you are in favor of using your pve only skills but not essences of celerity? theres your recharge time reduction. your suggestion for best elite for every caster but monk was to use assassins promise. yes its a good pve elite. my ideas promoted playing a character with an elite from their primary. this thread is about the best elite for each profession. not being restricted to a certain secondary is also nice in many situations. if you want to play the game with all of your pve only skills and consets be my guest. i enjoy a bit more of a challenge. If that's how you view it, simply take off all your gear and run no skills at all. You're only gimping yourself the same way you are without using PvE-only junk.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

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Originally Posted by jaximus View Post
you argue against an elite because of overpowered pve skills. then you say you have 200 points to spend on the rest of your skills. why would you play a mesmer if you werent going to devote points to fast casting? thats foolish. then you say you can use skills instead of spells. last i checked mesmers were spell casters... if you are gonna argue to use skills, use a ranger with expertise. then youre argument for using skills doesnt work cuz then you are no longer a mesmer. so youre saying because of brawling headbutt- magehunter, dev hammer, backbreaker, and shove are bad elites for pve? so you are in favor of using your pve only skills but not essences of celerity? theres your recharge time reduction. your suggestion for best elite for every caster but monk was to use assassins promise. yes its a good pve elite. my ideas promoted playing a character with an elite from their primary. this thread is about the best elite for each profession. not being restricted to a certain secondary is also nice in many situations. if you want to play the game with all of your pve only skills and consets be my guest. i enjoy a bit more of a challenge. The bolded part is giving me much trouble.
Elaborate.

FlamingMetroid

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

A/

some people have obviously never heard of Earthshaker :|

jaximus

jaximus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2008

wisc

rc cant self target, so youre gonna bring an elite just to cure the other rc? enough about that...
to tyla...you have a point with mindbender, but why waste a skill slot when i can use attribute points to do the same thing. although your example of sould reaping only furthers my case. soul reaping is necro. i was talking about mesmers.

to tyla and flaming metroid... clearly i left out earthshaker from my examples, the reason, earthshaker is aoe, my examples were single target kds.
i play both pve and pvp so i like to try and keep to skills i can use in both. id rather not hamper my reactions/timing/thoughts by using skills to make pve a button mashing fest. its personal choice, nothing against any of you.
to upier, same reasoning i gave to tyla about soul reaping. we are talking mesmer elites and skills. if you arent using spells, dont use a mesmer. im saying if you want to be more efficient with skills, use a ranger.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

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Originally Posted by jaximus View Post
rc cant self target, so youre gonna bring an elite just to cure the other rc? enough about that...
Well if it's superior, you'd be seeing that.

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to tyla...you have a point with mindbender, but why waste a skill slot when i can use attribute points to do the same thing. although your example of sould reaping only furthers my case. soul reaping is necro. i was talking about mesmers.
Mesmers offer nothing that another class can do with superiority. Mindbender offers fast casting to any class, whereas using your attribute points to fuel the speed of spells being cast can be troubling too. I'd rather have a useful primary and use a skill slot if I really want this.

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to tyla and flaming metroid... clearly i left out earthshaker from my examples, the reason, earthshaker is aoe, my examples were single target kds. And why would you take those knockdowns if you can have a stronger one in terms of single-target knockdowns?

Even then, Earth Shaker comes out superior.

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i play both pve and pvp so i like to try and keep to skills i can use in both. id rather not hamper my reactions/timing/thoughts by using skills to make pve a button mashing fest. its personal choice, nothing against any of you. It doesn't make it any less powerful.

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to upier, same reasoning i gave to tyla about soul reaping. we are talking mesmer elites and skills. if you arent using spells, dont use a mesmer. im saying if you want to be more efficient with skills, use a ranger. So we should now run R/X or Me/X?

Soul Reaping is the most powerful attribute for PvE fueling infinite energy, if you need the energy management. Mostly for heroes though, a good player shouldn't need it half as much as a bot.

Seriously though, Fast Casting has a negligable effect in PvE. If you really want it, use Mindbender and/or consumables.

Hanging Man

Hanging Man

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Deep in the Shire

best elites for each profession go like this

warrior - dragon slash, i love to spam SY and pretend to be good
ranger - BHA
Monk - Rc
Nec - i like BiP
mesmer - power block
Ele - personally i like star burst ^_^
assasin - Mark of insecurity never see it used much
Rit - wanderlust
paragon - soldiers fury
derv - avatar of dwayna

jaximus

jaximus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2008

wisc

ty, thats better

TheDarkshineKnight

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2008

Mercanaries of Xero

Rt/Mo

FACT: The only reason to play a Mesmer primary in PvE is if you intend to use skills that scale with Fast Casting. Otherwise, Mesmers are worthless in PvE as a primary class as their primary attributed can be replicated using PvE skills.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

PvE -

War: Earthshaker/DragonSlash
Monk: Word of Healing
Ele: Ether Renewal
Necromancer: Discord
Mesmer: Visions of Regret
Dervish: Avatar of Melandru/Dwayna
Ritualist: n/a
Assassin: Shadow Form
Paragon: Stunning Strike
Ranger: Barrage

PvP -

War: Devastating Hammer/Eviscerate
Monk: Word of Healing
Ele: Icy Shackles
Necromancer: Wail of Doom/Pain of Disenchantment (just matters how much of a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you are)
Mesmer: Visions of Regret/Power Block
Dervish: Avatar of Melandru/Wounding Strike
Ritualist: Caretaker's Charge
Assassin: Hidden Caltrops
Paragon: Song of Purification (?)
Ranger: Burning Arrow

I look at this from a GvG standpoint, which is the highest form of PvP.

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

actually The Most Dangerous Game is the highest form of PvP but i'll let you off with a warning this time...

jaximus

jaximus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2008

wisc

orite, i guess i didnt think of people all being tanks, guess when ursan died i thought class meant people had roles... also when do individual targets really need shutting down in pve? if your team cant out dps the few monks you encounter, then you should really try something new. plus, id rather be mobile and rely on skill to shut someone down rather than have to run up to them (in pve) to shut them down. also in pve with teammates running bars including vor or ss, dont you want your target using skills?

so to clarify, you are saying soi is a bad elite because blackout is a skill that people dont use because simple damage is more effective. and that blackout is balanced for foes that dont, meaning pvp? where soi isnt the best elite? am i on track here?

also the reason for blackout being a skill and not a spell is because if it were a spell fast casting would speed up activation. such a powerful tool as a 6 second skill disable requires a fixed activation.

also it would be difficult to use finish him while blacked out, although on other targets where shutdown isnt necessary you could participate on a kill during the 7 seconds of recharge. this time though, would likely be used to move to the next target. yes i am aware that finish him is a shout so mobility isnt an issue. so therefore youd be choosing against an elite based on bringing a skill you only use in certain cases.
im making sure i am completely sure on what you are trying to say.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

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Originally Posted by jaximus View Post
orite, i guess i didnt think of people all being tanks, guess when ursan died i thought class meant people had roles...
The use of the term "tank" suggested that with SY any character has enough armor to move freely on the battlefield - which was always one of the biggest issues of PvE.

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Originally Posted by jaximus View Post also when do individual targets really need shutting down in pve? if your team cant out dps the few monks you encounter, then you should really try something new. plus, id rather be mobile and rely on skill to shut someone down rather than have to run up to them (in pve) to shut them down. also in pve with teammates running bars including vor or ss, dont you want your target using skills? Like I said - the skill is to strong to bother with it - but that doesn't change the fact that it's probably the best reason for a primary mesmer.
And no, I am not advertising it's use - I pretty much only use it for Thirsty for the two monks - but that doesn't change it's strength - and the fact that it's not seeing use just says more about PvE then of the skill.
But then again - so does your idea of running around with 16 in Illusion (and AP being godly for that matter ...).

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so to clarify, you are saying soi is a bad elite because blackout is a skill that people dont use because simple damage is more effective. and that blackout is balanced for foes that dont, meaning pvp? where soi isnt the best elite? am i on track here? No, I meant Shiro.


Like I said:
SoI has issues that make it far from being the best PvE elite. You are welcome to use it - but SoI doesn't put the mesmer on the map.

Sylath

Sylath

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

anywhere

Good old drunks

R/W

Imo there is no "best" skill..

these are the skills i enjoy to use however.

W: ViM (i just luv that skill so much)
R: Crip shot/Parctice stance(Pve)
Mo:WoH (how original)
Me:Sig of midnight(AB)/quick recharge thing(Pve)
Nec:Golem (mah pwetty baby)
Ele:Blind surge/Shat-ter-stone
Rit:Remedy
Sin: No elites(that i use)
P:Stunning (P has boring elites)
D:Vow of silence(PvP)

Ic Zero

Ic Zero

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

UK

W/

my fav elites

Warrior: Evicerate
Ranger: Melandru's Shot
Monk: LoD, although its been nerf to shit
Mesmer: Pblock/PD
Necro: Pain of Disenchantment/OoA
Ele: Mind Shock
Rits: Caretaker's Charge
Sin: AoD
Derv: AoM/AoG
Para: SoR

uzumaki

uzumaki

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

GW

Me/

W: skullcrack (lul) definetly the most fun.
D: wounding strike
A: moebius
R: magebane
P: hmm..
E: probably glyph of renewal, though i never use it on a primary ele
Me: Pblock, pblock, pblock, pblock. Anyone who said vor... lol.
N: WoD
Mo:WoH
Rit: tough choice.. wor/xinraes/pres