Exhaustion causing on enemy

ajc2123

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17 Oct 2008 at 16:50 - 1

Exhaustion can be a powerful thing in my opinion if GIVEN to an opponent. For PvE, Would it be viable to use a couple motivation (or imbagon if you have humans) paragons to keep your team alive with an Equinox ranger to shutdown caster heavy areas? Or is the loss of necro's and other spell casters on your own team not worth it?

since physical damage is more effective in pvp (since HM monsters have insane armor) would it be worth it to build a team around equinox and motivation paragons to have support? Being a spirit it IS vulnerable to attack BUT it has a relatively low recharge for a ranger spirit.

Also, why is arcane languor not used more with a cover hex?

Do you think Causing exhaustion to ENEMIES (not self exhaustion like eles use) should play a larger role in pve or pvp to increase the pressure? Monks (and a flag runner rit) can keep a party alive in gvg for a very long time despite having less room for energy management. I agree that it takes skill to become a great monk and I am not trying to punish them. I am just trying to make it that no matter how good you are, after a certain amount of time, it becomes extremely hard to keep a team alive because...I dunno, I just think it should be. I would like to see more pressure personally in a pvp aspect. I don't know.

What do you think about all this?

Is it fine as is?

Also, as a side note, I believe the areas with Equinox should have monsters modified next to them that take advantage of other skills that heal so they don;t cause exhaustion themselves. Just a thought.

upier

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17 Oct 2008 at 16:59 - 2

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

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Equinox Full: Create a level 1...8 spirit. Spells cast within its range that cause Exhaustion cause double the Exhaustion instead. This spirit dies after 30...126 seconds.

Concise: Creates a level 1...8 spirit (30...126 second lifespan). Exhaustion is doubled for Exhaustion-causing spells cast within range.

It only doubles exhaustion.
Not CAUSES it.

On-topic:
When you have foes self-exploding - you might as well add a bit more damage rather then just wait for them to die on their own.
Dumb foes are asking to be killed rather then shut-down.

Edit:
I should have said that:
Dumb foes are asking to be shot-down rather then shut-down.

ajc2123

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17 Oct 2008 at 17:05 - 3

Originally Posted by upier

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Full: Create a level 1...8 spirit. Spells cast within its range that cause Exhaustion cause double the Exhaustion instead. This spirit dies after 30...126 seconds.

Concise: Creates a level 1...8 spirit (30...126 second lifespan). Exhaustion is doubled for Exhaustion-causing spells cast within range.

It only doubles exhaustion.
Not CAUSES it.

On-topic:
When you have foes self-exploding - you might as well add a bit more damage rather then just wait for them to die on their own.
Dumb foes are asking to be killed rather then shut-down. Coulda sworn it made non exh spells cause it also...

WOW its moments like this that make me ashamed that I've been playing the game for 3+ years. Forget about that part then >_>

Do you think exhaustion would be overpowered in pvp if you could give it to enemies in certain ways other then the mesmer elite?

zelgadissan

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17 Oct 2008 at 17:21 - 4

Exhaustion would be greatly overpowered in PvP if it was easily given. It's ridiculously strong because it doesn't go away at death. For the record, one of the most fun things I've ever done in RA was a Arcane Echo/Arcane Languor/Equinox mesmer. I had monks in RA yelling death threats

In fact, I might do that again in a little while.

ajc2123

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17 Oct 2008 at 17:24 - 5

Originally Posted by zelgadissan

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Exhaustion would be greatly overpowered in PvP if it was easily given. For the record, one of the most fun things I've ever done in RA was a Arcane Echo/Arcane Languor/Equinox mesmer. I had monks in RA yelling death threats

In fact, I might do that again in a little while. What if it wasn't easy to give, but it is given enough to make a difference in like a 3 minute span? Like I said earlier A good gvg match can go on to around 18 minutes without a single non npc death, but if Exhaustion was given enough to perhaps hinder them after a certain while....I don't know if you understand what I'm trying to say really cuz I confuse myself. Not easy enough where you could spam a monk to 0 energy but consistant enough to matter you know?

Painbringer

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17 Oct 2008 at 17:30 - 6

Exhaustion on PVP is extremely powerful. It can shut down a caster in a hurry. With no way to remove its effects except waiting out the time. To powerful of an effect other than an elite spot. Not to mention a class specific attribute based skill as well.

ramma77

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17 Oct 2008 at 17:39 - 7

Originally Posted by zelgadissan

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Exhaustion would be greatly overpowered in PvP if it was easily given. It's ridiculously strong because it doesn't go away at death. For the record, one of the most fun things I've ever done in RA was a Arcane Echo/Arcane Languor/Equinox mesmer. I had monks in RA yelling death threats

In fact, I might do that again in a little while. How did you have 2 elites? Or am i missing something?

upier

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17 Oct 2008 at 17:52 - 8

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How did you have 2 elites? Or am i missing something?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10330238

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Beren985

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17 Oct 2008 at 17:53 - 9

Originally Posted by zelgadissan

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For the record, one of the most fun things I've ever done in RA was a Arcane Echo/Arcane Languor/Equinox mesmer. I had monks in RA yelling death threats

In fact, I might do that again in a little while. Care to share how did you put two elites on your bar in RA?

Edit: Nvm, I see. But anyway this wouldn't be an Arcane Languor/Equinox "mesmer" but "team" then.

zelgadissan

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17 Oct 2008 at 17:58 - 10

There might have been syncing with a guildie involved......

I don't do it very often unless we start talking about hilarious ideas to try, for example Equinox with Arcane Languor. Hell, I'm the only one who will PvP in my guild anyway, gimmicks have to be made to make them play it.

wind fire and ice

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17 Oct 2008 at 21:23 - 11

Exhaustion would be toomuch preasure if it was easily applied...it dosent go away with death,and takes a long time to go away.

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18 Oct 2008 at 21:52 - 12

Originally Posted by ajc2123

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since physical damage is more effective in pvp (since HM monsters have insane armor) I can't even take you seriously... hahaha

physicals are MORE effective compared to casters in hard mode because physical bonus damage is not affected by armor. and they pressure through auto attacks.