1. Sabway is specifically for 4-man areas. For 8-man areas the healing should be turned over to the henchmen so that the hero slot can be used for an offense-oriented character, and the prot should be "unpacked" off the minion bomber, since there's better places for it in an 8-man team.
have you ever played with henchies?| 2. Discord is inherently weak because it's one-damage-packet-on-one-target-at-a-time damage. Since it's big, armor-ignoring, and spammable, it's probably the second-best one-damage-packet-on-one-target-at-a-time skill out there after necrosis, but it remains a one-damage-packet-on-one-target-at-a-time skill nonetheless. I would only suggest discordway for situations where you're trying to H+H with a character that you just can't build an offense around. Otherwise you should be able to do much better. you failed to notive that discord is on a 2 second recharge. one of those big packets will drop almost anything in the game. with AP you can drop a foe almost every 2 seconds. thats not bad at all... |
Insta killing a foe approx every 3.1 seconds...
Three shots of Discord at 16 spec is not enough to kill even a level 20. If you run a N to make it four shots, and use /A for AP so that you can add Finish Him too, that's barely enough to kill a level 24. The way I see it, any monster worth killing is going to take at least two cycles of Discord. If you disagree, I'd like to know where you get the extra damage from to reliably kill something in 3 sec.
discord x3 + you move like a dwarf + finish him can insta kill many foes.
At at 16 death on all 3 discords and max norn rank, it just barely kills a level 26. You could drop one discord to rank 15 and still get the kill. Otherwise, it's just not enough. Works for NM at least...|
Originally Posted by Super Igor
Discordway is good tbh. 2 healers, one mm...all hav discord.
Erm... |
Besides, if you are talking about discordway for heroes, you shouldn't be comparing the hero build against CoP because heroes cannot use PvE skills.
Both you and Lotus fundamentally misunderstand. The full cost of discordway is 1 player slot plus 3 hero slots. You don't have any option to turn those heroes into anything other than "Discord plus a half-assed half build" because of the attribute cost and elite slot cost. These requirements preclude you from using them for anything other than more death (basically a half-assed minion bomber without JB, since everything else in death sucks) or a standalone spell-line (basically resto, because nothing else that works with monospec is worth doing). Also, you can't use them for building team synergies around with a good player build -- instead you have to tailor the player build to the hero builds, and turn it into little more than a discord proc-er in the process. The requirements of a hex, a condition, YMLAD, Finish Him, and AP pretty much removes any possibility of doing anything worthwhile with your own build. In sum, since you're spending 1 player slot plus 3 hero slots to make discordway work, the proper comparison is against any other possible use of 1 player slot plus 3 hero slots. And that's not a comparison that favors discordway in most cases.| Doesn't make this better than a well built necro with PvE skills, due to energy limitation of a mesmer and recharge time. Clearly you don't know what AP-AE-CoP is. You should have read the mesmer forums before you posted. By way of education: AP eliminates the recharge on CoP, and on AE, and on whatever high-yield, high-recharge inspiration skill you want to use as an energy engine. IMO, this build is competitive with Moloch's AP-MoP build for the best offensive build in GW PvE. (A little worse than AP-MoP when foes are willing to stand adjacent, a litle better when they aren't.) |
Also, you can't use them for building team synergies around with a good player build -- instead you have to tailor the player build to the hero builds, and turn it into little more than a discord proc-er in the process. The requirements of a hex, a condition, YMLAD, Finish Him, and AP pretty much removes any possibility of doing anything worthwhile with your own build. | Clearly you don't know what AP-AE-CoP is. You should have read the mesmer forums before you posted. By way of education: AP eliminates the recharge on CoP, and on AE, and on whatever high-yield, high-recharge inspiration skill you want to use as an energy engine. Even with inspiration skill included into your AP engine, you still can't beat the energy effectiveness of soul reaping in PvE, especially when coupled with a minion bomber. And AP-AE-CoP has its limitations too, to hex removal and healing. I know this because I use it on my mesmers. |
Even with inspiration skill included into your AP engine, you still can't beat the energy effectiveness of soul reaping in PvE
You don't need to. You only need enough to spam CoP indefinitely. Which you have.
