I'm sure that they've all been patched, so I'm not too concerned about talking about them now.
How they were done interests me, but how they were discovered/uncovered interests me much more. (I'm not interested in dublicating them)
The Mallyx exploit.
Disconnecting the opposing team in PvP.
~15 members in one party.
And the infamous Armbrace dupe trick.
I've read all of the old posts, but they're mostly full of speculation and have very little in the way of actual fact.
Mostly, I'm curious to find out how they discovered the Mallyx exploit.
Old Glitches and Exploits
fgarvin
slowerpoke
i think alot of the exploits are from folks analysing the network traffic between the game client and the server, and figuring out what packets cause certain actions.
isnt there also a project working on creating some sort of server client via reverse engineering. no doubt they figured out some things too.
isnt there also a project working on creating some sort of server client via reverse engineering. no doubt they figured out some things too.
jiggles
No one is going to explain how they are done because they might give the wrong people the wrong idea's.
fgarvin
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No one is going to explain how they are done because they might give the wrong people the wrong idea's.
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For example: Did the Armbrace dupe happen by accident when two players were trading, or did someone go out of their way to figure out a way to trickf*ck the game?
And all the "wrong idea's" in the world won't matter if the game has been patched, which I'm sure that it has.
Neo Nugget
pre searing GH glitch which I heard had to do with a bug in observer mode when it first came out.Then theres that glitch with the ambassador in the GH that could take people anywhere.
Didn't they call the HoS chest run and the Urgoz vampire farm an exploit when they fixed them? Can't remember....
All fixed ages ago.
Didn't they call the HoS chest run and the Urgoz vampire farm an exploit when they fixed them? Can't remember....
All fixed ages ago.
Big_Daddy
You know? I've asked myself the same question, but I tend to keep it to myself since it is a very thin ice of a subject to deal with. If not handled properly the thread can get out of hand.
Jiao Yang
Most glitches are discovered by accident, or people are inspired by similar problems in other games. The disconnect dupe hack would be an example of this.
Aubrey
Curiosity killed the game. Hax are hax and should not be identified for the general public. People will always find ways to ruin a good thing no matter how noble the intentions are.
pablo24
I always get a good laugh when I read all the speculations about how the exploits are done on these forums, most of it is just completely besides the point x)
I know how all of the ones you listed here and many more were done, there's even the most important one that you didn't list but I guess that's because ANet didn't even list it in the update notes in fear of people discovering how huge some flaws in their code are.
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Actually you could get up to 49 
I know how all of the ones you listed here and many more were done, there's even the most important one that you didn't list but I guess that's because ANet didn't even list it in the update notes in fear of people discovering how huge some flaws in their code are.
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Lyynyyrd
Best exploit in the world:
Desert wreckages / frozen chest
Desert wreckages / frozen chest
stretchs
HEH, you mention exploit and pablo comes about. You still digging through the game trying to break things or did you finally retire?
As for the "most infamous" glitch, I am sure there are many but the one with probably the most impact on the economy would have to be the duping exploits
As for the "most infamous" glitch, I am sure there are many but the one with probably the most impact on the economy would have to be the duping exploits
pablo24
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HEH, you mention exploit and pablo comes about. You still digging through the game trying to break things or did you finally retire?
As for the "most infamous" glitch, I am sure there are many but the one with probably the most impact on the economy would have to be the duping exploits |
As for if I'm still trying to find exploits, from time to time I come on GW when I'm inspired and I usually find some really broken stuff.. like last week
Painbringer
You mean like the /ADD GOLD XX21XX(AMOUNT) Take away the brackets. Command But it is more fun to work for your gold nowadays so no one uses it
The only one that truly comes to mind is the A-net Freak your a$$ out one. This one happens In RA and on a rare occasion when returning after a defeat you get zoned to the log on screen full of totally blank characters. I soiled my self the first time it happened. But it is just a messed up bug. That corrects its self if you log out and back in. But I am sure the dev get a chuckle on it.
The only one that truly comes to mind is the A-net Freak your a$$ out one. This one happens In RA and on a rare occasion when returning after a defeat you get zoned to the log on screen full of totally blank characters. I soiled my self the first time it happened. But it is just a messed up bug. That corrects its self if you log out and back in. But I am sure the dev get a chuckle on it.
Numa Pompilius
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The Mallyx exploit.
Disconnecting the opposing team in PvP. |
Both these revolved around modified packets. In the case of the Mallyx exploit (which was really a "teleport anywhere" client hack) a modified area code was sent, allowing the player to teleport to (and unlock!) a normally unavailable outpost, in the second case a packet containing an illegal character was sent as a whisper, causing the recipients client to get a buffer overflow & crash.
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makosi
I like the Simple Thievery bug.
You could steal and use Siege Turtle Attack, Bear Form, Elemental Shift and other nasty monster skills.
It was patched pretty fast.
You could steal and use Siege Turtle Attack, Bear Form, Elemental Shift and other nasty monster skills.
It was patched pretty fast.
TheDragonmaster
What in the world happened when you used Elemental Shift? Your whole skill bar changed?
Or Reform Carvings for that matter? You swapped character model, profession, attributes, skill bar, and equipment?
Or Reform Carvings for that matter? You swapped character model, profession, attributes, skill bar, and equipment?
Issac
Disconnecting the opposing team in Pvp is the most interesting one to me at least. Seems like it would be to much trouble to go through lol.
Haxor
Elemental Shift worked as a form, I remember that. I presume Reform Carvings did the same.
Both changed the skillbar.
Both changed the skillbar.
Zodiac Meteor
I'm using Echo!
I'm using Call of Destruction!
I'm using Arcane Echo!
I'm using Call of Destruction!
I'm using Call of Destruction!
ROFL that would be awesome, wipe your own team by summoning enemies to kill you.
I'm using Call of Destruction!
I'm using Arcane Echo!
I'm using Call of Destruction!
I'm using Call of Destruction!
ROFL that would be awesome, wipe your own team by summoning enemies to kill you.
TheDragonmaster
Just think of all the interesting uses of Claim Resource...
fgarvin
@ Numa Pompilius: Thanks, your response was exactly what I was looking for when creating this thread. Seems you're one of the few that actually read the OP.
"Simple" packet sniffing, huh? So people went out of their way to exploit the game in most of these cases. Too bad, I guess I naively thought these were stumbled upon by accident.
"Simple" packet sniffing, huh? So people went out of their way to exploit the game in most of these cases. Too bad, I guess I naively thought these were stumbled upon by accident.
.defekt
taking the ghostly off the altar after you cap in hoh/courtyard matches and running him around the map was always hilarious
Enko
the dupe exploit was just a simple trade and disconnect. probably inspired from some of the d2 dupes. fenix and i posted it after we reported how it was done and it was patched.
fenix
Enko is right, funnily enough it was literally the exact method used in Diablo to dupe things in GW. Anet MADE Diablo...so you'd think they'd have learned....right guys?
Right guys?
Guys?
Right guys?
Guys?
dilan155
gl getting an answer to that fenix, anyway the one that pain mentioned, where you get a blank account thing was creepy as $%#&, i pissed my pants as well, when it happened the first time.
DarkNecrid
Using Protective Bond and certain +energy gain skills to cause an infinite flow of energy loss and gain resulting in the server you were on crashing from overflow.
(note: this is still completely possible but you have to be smart to work around it since they nerfed PBond)
(note: this is still completely possible but you have to be smart to work around it since they nerfed PBond)
spun ducky
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The Red Messenger
yeah there's been a long list of exploits over the years...
the first pre-searing items exploit was very simple...they allowed travel to guild hall from pre for a short time during the first christmas event.
i personally was able to use the team-increasing glitch. it had to do with party members adding heroes, and the leader couldnt add 3 of his own if i remember correctly. the biggest party we were able to get was 29. i suppose it could have been more in urgoz or the deep but we didnt try.
a lot of times, a glitch that they fix is un-fixed with the following patch, then they do a second patch fixing it again soon after...so if you learn of a glitch after they fix it, just wait till the next update and test it right after they push it. for some reason they forget to add it to whatever it is they need to make it permanent a lot of the time.
of course use a second account when messing around because abusing any glitch or exploit makes you subject to a ban
the first pre-searing items exploit was very simple...they allowed travel to guild hall from pre for a short time during the first christmas event.
i personally was able to use the team-increasing glitch. it had to do with party members adding heroes, and the leader couldnt add 3 of his own if i remember correctly. the biggest party we were able to get was 29. i suppose it could have been more in urgoz or the deep but we didnt try.
a lot of times, a glitch that they fix is un-fixed with the following patch, then they do a second patch fixing it again soon after...so if you learn of a glitch after they fix it, just wait till the next update and test it right after they push it. for some reason they forget to add it to whatever it is they need to make it permanent a lot of the time.
of course use a second account when messing around because abusing any glitch or exploit makes you subject to a ban
DarkKnight
The Mallyx "Exploit" Like several fo the ones you named was more of a hack to start.
Inside the dat file is where all the data is stored such as outposts, maps, quest all the 3d models and textures ect...
There is a available tool to extract files and images from the dat file. Someone figured out that there was a secret outpost and most likely figured out a way, probably by emulating a certain packet sent on logging out, to set that outpost to his last visited outpost when logging in or something of the sort.
After one person did it though he could ferry groups of 8 from a guild hall into this secret outpost and that how it was mostly spread. The outpost itself looked exactly the same as another outpost in the realm of torment but had no NPCs or storage. On the right of the screen was an Enter Mission Button just like there would be in any Mission town. On hitting it your party was taken in to defeat Mallyx Over and Over without the previous 4 quests.
This outpost is one of many interesting little things you can find by snooping through the data file. There is the groundwork for a in game auction house, unused henchman and all other sorts of goodies.
Inside the dat file is where all the data is stored such as outposts, maps, quest all the 3d models and textures ect...
There is a available tool to extract files and images from the dat file. Someone figured out that there was a secret outpost and most likely figured out a way, probably by emulating a certain packet sent on logging out, to set that outpost to his last visited outpost when logging in or something of the sort.
After one person did it though he could ferry groups of 8 from a guild hall into this secret outpost and that how it was mostly spread. The outpost itself looked exactly the same as another outpost in the realm of torment but had no NPCs or storage. On the right of the screen was an Enter Mission Button just like there would be in any Mission town. On hitting it your party was taken in to defeat Mallyx Over and Over without the previous 4 quests.
This outpost is one of many interesting little things you can find by snooping through the data file. There is the groundwork for a in game auction house, unused henchman and all other sorts of goodies.
pumpkin pie
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I'm sure that they've all been patched, so I'm not too concerned about talking about them now.
How they were done interests me, but how they were discovered/uncovered interests me much more. (I'm not interested in dublicating them) The Mallyx exploit. Disconnecting the opposing team in PvP. ~15 members in one party. And the infamous Armbrace dupe trick. I've read all of the old posts, but they're mostly full of speculation and have very little in the way of actual fact. Mostly, I'm curious to find out how they discovered the Mallyx exploit. |
fgarvin
@ Pumkin Pie: Any glitch or exploit, but mostly about how they're discovered. I've never looked for one, but I've also never been "lucky" enough to discover one either.
Once, during Dunes, the Ghostly wound up in a spot where none of the ranged mobs could hit him, and none of the melee mobs went up the stairs due to getting stuck on the ranged mobs. I just had my H/H flagged on top of the ramp, waiting for the timer to run out. Not really a glitch, just poor AI pathing.
Once, during Dunes, the Ghostly wound up in a spot where none of the ranged mobs could hit him, and none of the melee mobs went up the stairs due to getting stuck on the ranged mobs. I just had my H/H flagged on top of the ramp, waiting for the timer to run out. Not really a glitch, just poor AI pathing.
zwei2stein
There was "PartyKill" exploit which allowed person in RA leave party and become hostile to them. Hilarity Ensued with Trapper doing this.
Fril Estelin
Guys, there's seriously a good reason why these things are illegal in many countries (ArenaNet could sue you since Guru is hosted in the USA) and banned on a lot of forums: while this information may not be so harmful in the hands of "relatively responsible" people, it's a disaster if it inspires certain "less ethical" people to break stuff, try to trick other people, etc. It may even make a kid want to try it "for fun" and get his account banned.
I know it sounds like a Star Wars or Good vs. Evil story, but the security field does have "white hat" and "black hat" hackers, and they all play with the same techniques and tricks. It's quite "nasty" for the common computer user, to the point of illegality sometimes (but sometimes laws are "wrong"!). Don't come to the dark side or you'll loose your wings.
There are books on these things (e.g. Exploiting Online Games by Hoglund and McGraw, nice high-level overview but unfortunately too centered on WoW), websites (playNoEvil is a very nice, clean blog), etc. Things become very nasty when you no longer play the game as a game, but play it as a software.
On a more ethical ground (and thus open to critics and point of view, it's not about right and wrong), I believe that it's plain wrong to do this stuff for other things than software testing/bug finding. These software bugs will always exist but if we can, as a community, understand that the fun is beyond that (i.e., in actually playing the game, rather than simply winning and accumulate numbers/ranks/titles/virtual achievements), that it's not in our best interest to try to bypass "rules" even if they're virtual, then our game experience is improved, globally. If we let the route of exploits be open, even as a "possibility" in the mind of people, our game experience is weakened, globally. You can' directly change people, but you can set an example.
P.S.: I perfectly understand that the OP question spawns from curiosity, it's human nature and a good quality of a scientist.
I know it sounds like a Star Wars or Good vs. Evil story, but the security field does have "white hat" and "black hat" hackers, and they all play with the same techniques and tricks. It's quite "nasty" for the common computer user, to the point of illegality sometimes (but sometimes laws are "wrong"!). Don't come to the dark side or you'll loose your wings
.There are books on these things (e.g. Exploiting Online Games by Hoglund and McGraw, nice high-level overview but unfortunately too centered on WoW), websites (playNoEvil is a very nice, clean blog), etc. Things become very nasty when you no longer play the game as a game, but play it as a software
.On a more ethical ground (and thus open to critics and point of view, it's not about right and wrong), I believe that it's plain wrong to do this stuff for other things than software testing/bug finding. These software bugs will always exist but if we can, as a community, understand that the fun is beyond that (i.e., in actually playing the game, rather than simply winning and accumulate numbers/ranks/titles/virtual achievements), that it's not in our best interest to try to bypass "rules" even if they're virtual, then our game experience is improved, globally. If we let the route of exploits be open, even as a "possibility" in the mind of people, our game experience is weakened, globally. You can' directly change people, but you can set an example.
P.S.: I perfectly understand that the OP question spawns from curiosity, it's human nature and a good quality of a scientist
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MirkoTeran
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There was "PartyKill" exploit which allowed person in RA leave party and become hostile to them. Hilarity Ensued with Trapper doing this.
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2 more from the top of my hat that I've seen in work:
- There was a tool that let you see stats of unidentified items (that was pre-factions).
- SoA axe. This was more of a bug (2x20%ench FTW).
Numa Pompilius
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BenjZee
Sometimes people come across them merly by mistake but when they decide to replicate what happens it where the problem is. People could teleport to the party leaders last location through visiting guild halls ambassadore i believe was the result of a bug in a update. Could be wrong though.
Most as indicated are done by packet sniffers intentionally - some for good ..some not
I don't wanna give people ideas but i assume different combiantions of acessing npcs etc are used and commands with special prefixes when typing messages.
I admire Pablo though, hes got many secret exploits no doubt benefitted from but we'll let him have it just cuz he released the information to get it fixed.
Most as indicated are done by packet sniffers intentionally - some for good ..some not
I don't wanna give people ideas but i assume different combiantions of acessing npcs etc are used and commands with special prefixes when typing messages.
I admire Pablo though, hes got many secret exploits no doubt benefitted from but we'll let him have it just cuz he released the information to get it fixed.
fgarvin
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- SoA axe. This was more of a bug (2x20%ench FTW).
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And sending "unicode char as text" sounds so simple. Not. Prolly requires access to whatever crazy voodoo the practitioners of coding use to work their magic.
MirkoTeran
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God, I loved my axe...for the few days that I had it.
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Stranger The Ranger
Or how about the good old Keg/Book trick? : P
Just let the Warrior(with a Tank build) hold it and all the mobs will attack him, making nukers extremely effective xD
Just let the Warrior(with a Tank build) hold it and all the mobs will attack him, making nukers extremely effective xD
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The Mallyx exploit.
I've read all of the old posts, but they're mostly full of speculation and have very little in the way of actual fact. Mostly, I'm curious to find out how they discovered the Mallyx exploit. |
edit: same mallyx exploit? idk - there was one with glitching the priest and then glitching mallyx in the door. mainly because people were bad. just so we're clear.