Asuran Scan V.S. "I am the Strongest"

Frozen Bacon

Frozen Bacon

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2008

If you had to take only one out of the two skills mentioned above, which one would you take (given that both titles are maxed)?

Or in other words, which one would result in more dps?

Sorry, I never went beyond Math 100 in college.

Edit: grammer

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

Depends on how much damage you do.

If you do crap damage, +x% will multiply crap into slightly better crap. If you do good damage, +x% will multiply good into very good. You just need to find at which point the multiplication gives more bonus damage than the constant +y.

PS: I find it funny that you edited to fix grammar but didn't spell grammar correctly.

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

"I am the Strongest!" against everything that doesn't take forever to kill. Buffed physicals will be able to kill a target in the time it takes Asuran Scan just to recharge.

Asuran Scan also has the aftercast delay which is annoying. In Hard Mode areas with healers and level 30 enemies I'd consider it.

Luminarus

Luminarus

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

Haze of Light [pure]

R/

If it was my choice.. I would run with Ebon Battle Standard of Honor instead of either. It buffs everyone around you for slightly less then I Am The Strongest, but lasts unlimited hits (for 20 seconds). It also doesnt go to waste if you change targets (Asuran Scan), and is unremovable.

But out of the two u suggested.... I would go with Asuran Scan in HM, and IatS in NM.

realtalk916

realtalk916

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2008

California

Reign Of Judgment [RoJ]

W/E

keep asuran scan, works great with discord way, since u can just cast a hex on each target you're gonna atk next

Frozen Bacon

Frozen Bacon

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade View Post

PS: I find it funny that you edited to fix grammar but didn't spell grammar correctly.
Hahahha...I guess I failed to mention I didn't do so well in the english department either.

Ebon Battle Standard of Honor

"Notes

* Although the full description says "strike," which would imply it only raises the damage of attacks, this in fact raises all damage done by non-armor-ignoring skills and attacks used while in the ward." - wiki

Does this means that spells like Fireball, Lightning Strike will be affected, but hexes such as Spiteful Spirit and Spoil Victor won't?

Rothan Celt

Rothan Celt

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

Aura

Mo/R

I am the strongest > imo its just better

im pretty sure SS and SV would be but ive not tested it.

AcidDaze

AcidDaze

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

EKSF

E/Me

i like asura scan but thats probably cos i done have IATS and my norn rank is crap

Zen1331

Zen1331

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2008

Canada

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

N/

For my dervish/necro I use Asuran scan and wounding strike with my discord team. The Asuran scan is the hex and my wounding strike causes the condition and the discord team take care of the rest. And if I'm in area's where there aren't too many fleshy creatures I'll take along enfeeble or weaken armor to help the discord team dish out dmg.

Obsidian Fissure

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quality Rage [qR]

W/

Like in some of the above posts, I like asuran scan more cause it goes well with discord way.

TheDragonmaster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2008

R/

By the wording of EBSoH it should increase the damage dealt by SS (I haven't seen the numbers myself, but I've been in a team where the SS necro brought EBSoH ), however, since SV is health loss rathe than damage, I'm pretty sure it won't be affected.

beserk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

UK

W/

Interesting, never considered using IATS, though asuran scan fits perfectly into my DSLASH SY build. Might test IATS out and see which is more fruitful

Tharg

Tharg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Massachusetts

Omega Glory

Mo/

would EBSoH also affect the damage done by the minions when you run Sabway or Discordway?

Anime Divine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

W/

WHY!! not take both
seriously its fun to do 100+damage to 200 damage on HM monsters. use it when i vanquish. granted it takes some enrgy but still just wonderfull if you can kill a monk in 3 hits

illidan009

illidan009

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2008

Volterra, Italy

A/

I use Asuran Scan on my sin...she's only r3 but it help do a shit load of damage using db+ms
Then again, i'd use I am the Strongest on a barrage ranger...depends on the build OP

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Asuran Scan g-g-g-goooooo!

MisterB

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozen Bacon View Post
Does this means that spells like Fireball, Lightning Strike will be affected, but hexes such as Spiteful Spirit and Spoil Victor won't?
That is correct. Skills that ignore armor don't get the bonus from EBSoH, or at least that is my understanding of how that skill works. All the skills I have tested in the ward follow that rule.

Bonus damage from attack skills ignores armor, but they are still attacks, so they still receive the bonus.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tvalentijn View Post
would EBSoH also affect the damage done by the minions when you run Sabway or Discordway?
Minions are allies, too, so any minion in the ward receives the bonus damage to their attack. Fiends can do some sick damage with that.

isamu kurosawa

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

Me/

asuran scan is awesome against bosses, especially dungeon and end game bosses. Its less effective against normal foes in a physical heavy team because things just die too fast.

So to answer your question, it is entirely situational.

dilan155

dilan155

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

living room

N/

there are only a very few things that arent buffed by EBSoH, even traps are buffed as long as it does non- armor ignoring damage. so that would be better than both of those, OT however i would go with asuran scan if you have enough nergy to keep using it.

wind fire and ice

wind fire and ice

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2008

There

[ToA]

Depends on what your doing-high armor/very durable foes=asuran scan,every thing else=IATS.

boarderx

boarderx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

[PIG]

ive used both amny time and if you have the energy to spam Asuran Scan id bring that other wise bring I am the strongest

and imo i use both a lot and i think Asuran Scan does more dmg, but again that is imo

Frozen Bacon

Frozen Bacon

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by dilan155 View Post
there are only a very few things that arent buffed by EBSoH, even traps are buffed as long as it does non- armor ignoring damage. so that would be better than both of those, OT however i would go with asuran scan due to the fact your whole team can do better damage where as I am the Strongest only affects you.
Asuran Scan only benefits the caster.

Horseman Of War

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

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Generally speaking, I think Ebon Ward would be the best one under most circumstances, but I think it depends on your class/build... An assassin can use asuran in a under-hex combo build, eles and mesmers obviously have certain advantages with "spell" skills (likewise with ranger and nonspell), and a paragon could use Strongest to turn the beat around with their skills. Id say By Urai Hammer is good too, but its rare that my para has allies anywhere near v50% health really... :S

Getting a few human players to use a few of these in conjunction would be the best way to do it...

That being said, Id like to take this opportunity to say that there are not enough GDW-spamming rits... I mean, they did change spawning power to extend weapon spell duration..! (weak reasoning, but you get the point)