Ok you know how every one says any build can beat NM pve? Well I'm proof that is false. My GF and i always run together (both Ele) and her son (sin) so we bring in an Olias (MM bomber), M. O. X. (Avatar of Balthazar), Ogden (healer's boon) , Gwen (boss or healer shutdown) and Olias (SS Curses and Fire). We keep dieing easily (we are in factions right now btw just ascended) and it seems pvxwiki is hard to find good builds. Can anyone give any advice to help our team set up?
This is a build i put together, I will post it to show you how my mind works and if im on the right path or really need help. Olias Fire and curses (hope this gwBBcode works, I'm a noob) [pre][build=OAZDY5pqOIj8gQ7MoLKGNtqK][/pre]
Please help, I'm stupid
Zerowings
SirNazron
You should have two monks in your team in a 8 person team, so if it was me I would take out take out olias for another healer or protector. I also perfer WoH for hero monks.
the savage nornbear
drop M.O.X., or at least his avvy and give him an elite scythe attack, or eda and volley.
Shayne Hawke
At least 25% healers is the rule in PvE, I'd say, and Monk heros are pretty crap at e-management.
Run two N/Rts if you can, or one N/Rt and one Mo/X.
Run two N/Rts if you can, or one N/Rt and one Mo/X.
subarucar
yes follow the 25% healers rule, N/Rt's are the best for this. also it helps to have a little support on your other party members e.g. Aegis and Prot spirit on the MM, or a Draw conditions AoM dervish, or Wards on an ele.
Basicly in 8 man areas you want something like this: 1-2 Melee, 2 healers, 0-1 monk/boss shutdown, 1 anti melee (blinder, SS etc), 2 Fire eles/other source of big damage. And if you have a spare spot, take whatever else you feel like.
If you want a realy great build, find the Triple Necro Vanquish build on pvx.
Basicly in 8 man areas you want something like this: 1-2 Melee, 2 healers, 0-1 monk/boss shutdown, 1 anti melee (blinder, SS etc), 2 Fire eles/other source of big damage. And if you have a spare spot, take whatever else you feel like.
If you want a realy great build, find the Triple Necro Vanquish build on pvx.
Zerowings
ok now I'm starting to get it so gwen and the MM bomber sounds like its good how about this:
N/RT
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:N/...s_Light_Healer
Mo
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Mo/any_WoH_Hybrid
war (dropping M.O.X.)
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:W/...E_Dragon_Slash
are these good builds?
I hope i can put links to pvx in here if not i will take them down
N/RT
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:N/...s_Light_Healer
Mo
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Mo/any_WoH_Hybrid
war (dropping M.O.X.)
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:W/...E_Dragon_Slash
are these good builds?
I hope i can put links to pvx in here if not i will take them down
Rak Orgon of Beowulf
^^those are all good staple builds and heroes generally use them well, as stated above 25%monks is good. i like a WoH and an HB, or a WoH and some sort of prot monk.
so 2 eles 1 sin (you guys), WoH, HB or Prot(your choice really), MM, D-slash War, Mes monk/boss shutdown....looks good
so 2 eles 1 sin (you guys), WoH, HB or Prot(your choice really), MM, D-slash War, Mes monk/boss shutdown....looks good
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Zerowings
ok now I'm starting to get it so gwen and the MM bomber sounds like its good how about this:
N/RT
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:N/...s_Light_Healer This build is worth it. However, I wouldn't bother with the other two.
My reasons are that without heavy micromanagement, Monk heroes are weak. They don't pre-prot effectively, they can only heal effectively. Not to mention heroes are out of energy fast (without micromanagement) without stupid energy management. A Necromancer would be more worth it by far.
Warrior heroes generally have bad aggro management, which could cause problems.
N/RT
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:N/...s_Light_Healer This build is worth it. However, I wouldn't bother with the other two.
My reasons are that without heavy micromanagement, Monk heroes are weak. They don't pre-prot effectively, they can only heal effectively. Not to mention heroes are out of energy fast (without micromanagement) without stupid energy management. A Necromancer would be more worth it by far.
Warrior heroes generally have bad aggro management, which could cause problems.
the savage nornbear
Run paragons if you can.
Da Rk Bl Ad E
N/Rit Healer and a minion bomber to provide more frontline / keep the healers energy flowing is all you should need in pve.
Just have your sin run Death blossom / Moebius and that shoudl be enough damage alone and spam splinter wep on them if you feel it's needed
Just have your sin run Death blossom / Moebius and that shoudl be enough damage alone and spam splinter wep on them if you feel it's needed
Arcane Spark
Run this w/ a prot monk henchie and others of your choice.
Pretty much fail-proof.
Pretty much fail-proof.
Tyla
Discord is fail-proof, too. Heck, the beauty of Discordway is that you can just C-Space and do f*** all with efficiency.
wind fire and ice
IMO discord > sabway-just have 1 ele go Unsteady Ground and the other go AP-then the sin go moebius/death's,should blaze through pve.
Tharg
IMO never use hero monks - they have little advantage over hench monks.
BTW, I have tried both Discordway and Sabway in HM. I know everybody loves Discordway over Sabway but somehow for me Sabway works so much better... I play a Monk (WoH) with Pain Inverter, Technobabble and Ruby Djinn as offensive support. As henches I add a prot monk, an ele, an interrupt and a warrior.
BTW, I have tried both Discordway and Sabway in HM. I know everybody loves Discordway over Sabway but somehow for me Sabway works so much better... I play a Monk (WoH) with Pain Inverter, Technobabble and Ruby Djinn as offensive support. As henches I add a prot monk, an ele, an interrupt and a warrior.
Zerowings
OK lets see if i get this right.
1. Sabway. the 3 necro vanq build from pvx and a prot monk then the last one change for each mission or zone
2. Discordway. 5 necros all with discord. (1 M Bomber, 1 Healer necro, 1 Curses, 1 Restor N/RT last my choice) GF as earth ele with unstedy ground and Sin with moebius/death and me changing for what is needed (like burning or AP or water ect)
3. Normalway. Fire (or air when need be) ele, earth ele, 1 sin, WoH, HB or prot (change as need be?), MM, D-slash War, Mes monk/boss shutdown
1. Sabway. the 3 necro vanq build from pvx and a prot monk then the last one change for each mission or zone
2. Discordway. 5 necros all with discord. (1 M Bomber, 1 Healer necro, 1 Curses, 1 Restor N/RT last my choice) GF as earth ele with unstedy ground and Sin with moebius/death and me changing for what is needed (like burning or AP or water ect)
3. Normalway. Fire (or air when need be) ele, earth ele, 1 sin, WoH, HB or prot (change as need be?), MM, D-slash War, Mes monk/boss shutdown
Super Igor
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(ss curses and fire)
No doubt you fail nm pve dude! Get some better builds.
Zerowings
Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Igor
No doubt you fail nm pve dude! Get some better builds.
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Dzjudz
I found that a hero can run the WoH hybrid build you posted just fine. I added Glyph of Lesser Energy for a bit better energy management though (heroes use it well).
Super Igor
So wuzzzup with all the necorway stuff? Ther are som bettahr stuff to have beside of eles when you have two eles in the party lol!
Lookatdis:
MS/DB SY! Spamm0r (human)
1critical agility
2assassin's remedy
3critical eye
4golden fox strike
5wild strike
6moebius strike
7death blossom
8save yourselves
SF Ele 1 (human)
1searing flames
2glowing gaze
3glyph of lesser energy
4mark of pain
5ebon vanguard standard of honor
6enfeebling blood
7fire attunement
8res sig (or something)
SF Ele 2 (human)
1searing flames
2glowing gaze
3liquid flame
4glyph of lesser energy
5technobable
6great dwarf weapon
7fire attunement
8res sig (or something)
Soldiers Fury Turret 1 (hero)
1vicious attack
2holy spear
3spear of redemption
4soldier's fury
5they are on fire!
6go for the eyes!
7never surrender!
8signet of return
Soldiers Fury Turret 2 (hero)
1vicious attack
2holy spear
3spear of redemption
4soldier's fury
5ballad of resotration
6aria of resotration
7rend enchantments
8signet of return
IV Bomber (hero)
1icy veins
2animate bone minions
3animate shambling horror
4death nova
5putrid bile
6signet of lost souls
7blood of the master
8vengeance
WoH Hybrid (hero)
1word of healing
2heal party
3dwayna's sorrow
4cure hex
5signet of lost souls
6shield of absorption
7protective spirit
8aegis
Orders Derv (hero)
1blood is power
2dark fury
3order of pain
4faithful intervention
5watchful intervention
6vow of piety
7mystic healing
8imbue health
ok so, thats for 3 humans and 5 heroes, pretty nice synergy and huge damages.
Lookatdis:
MS/DB SY! Spamm0r (human)
1critical agility
2assassin's remedy
3critical eye
4golden fox strike
5wild strike
6moebius strike
7death blossom
8save yourselves
SF Ele 1 (human)
1searing flames
2glowing gaze
3glyph of lesser energy
4mark of pain
5ebon vanguard standard of honor
6enfeebling blood
7fire attunement
8res sig (or something)
SF Ele 2 (human)
1searing flames
2glowing gaze
3liquid flame
4glyph of lesser energy
5technobable
6great dwarf weapon
7fire attunement
8res sig (or something)
Soldiers Fury Turret 1 (hero)
1vicious attack
2holy spear
3spear of redemption
4soldier's fury
5they are on fire!
6go for the eyes!
7never surrender!
8signet of return
Soldiers Fury Turret 2 (hero)
1vicious attack
2holy spear
3spear of redemption
4soldier's fury
5ballad of resotration
6aria of resotration
7rend enchantments
8signet of return
IV Bomber (hero)
1icy veins
2animate bone minions
3animate shambling horror
4death nova
5putrid bile
6signet of lost souls
7blood of the master
8vengeance
WoH Hybrid (hero)
1word of healing
2heal party
3dwayna's sorrow
4cure hex
5signet of lost souls
6shield of absorption
7protective spirit
8aegis
Orders Derv (hero)
1blood is power
2dark fury
3order of pain
4faithful intervention
5watchful intervention
6vow of piety
7mystic healing
8imbue health
ok so, thats for 3 humans and 5 heroes, pretty nice synergy and huge damages.