Assassin's Promise or OoS?

And I hate to be a prick here, but Ritualists in PvE don't offer anything that another profession can't, a la Soul Reaping. Lies, they have spirit's strengh.

Lies, they have spirit's strengh. Because rit's are the only profession that can do damage with weapon attacks.

Spirits aren't bad in PvE. They might be in PvP because people there are smart enough to interrupt/target it. But in PvE, monsters aren't going to be watching for a spirit being put up to interrupt it or sneak through the frontlines to kill it.

It's true that they die fast, but that's why Assassin's Promise is in the bar. Yet they still die incredibly fast. I wouldn't even use a Spirit Spammer with that skill that heavily decreases spirits' recharge, and then there's the casting times.

Casting time is long but you don't have to worry about a dshot in PvE. That wasn't my point. Considering the incredibly lengthy casting time of most spirits, if you're using them mid-battle (because they're bound to have died next to immediately, and that's even easier to happen when you're using something that can make minions), you won't be able to bring them back up for them to actually do something. A prot should be on-demand and fast casting or at least contain the possibilities of enhancing one of its properties in a normal manner. You can also use AP with Aegis too, if you're so uptight about blocking. Keep in mind that with Aegis it can be modified to a certain extent of efficiency.

he didnt say that prot monk is better, actually, I didnt get what he said, upier is stoopit, ups. :<

Whole argument is that ashes you use are bad and can be replaced by a spirit or a resto spell or a weapon spell. Oh girlfriend, shouldn't you go back to not chaining Aegis?

The whole point is the fact that a RL spirit spammer - which is now trying to be replaced by the build given (the AP spammer) fills a role that is otherwise reserved for a Prot monky.
Which means that this build should perform at least as good as the monky - if not better.
And it did. And we abused the hell out of it. (And I LOVED playing it.)
And now - it doesn't. And we don't bother with it any longer.

That wasn't my point. Considering the incredibly lengthy casting time of most spirits, if you're using them mid-battle (because they're bound to have died next to immediately, and that's even easier to happen when you're using something that can make minions), you won't be able to bring them back up for them to actually do something. A prot should be on-demand and fast casting or at least contain the possibilities of enhancing one of its properties in a normal manner. You can also use AP with Aegis too, if you're so uptight about blocking. Keep in mind that with Aegis it can be modified to a certain extent of efficiency. Did you ever TRY using Spirit's?
I use spirit builds more than half the time and it works just fine.
Protection Isn't as strong as DMG spirit's

Oh girlfriend, shouldn't you go back to not chaining Aegis? In PvE? Yeah sure. /sarcasm

That wasn't my point. Considering the incredibly lengthy casting time of most spirits, if you're using them mid-battle (because they're bound to have died next to immediately, and that's even easier to happen when you're using something that can make minions), you won't be able to bring them back up for them to actually do something. A prot should be on-demand and fast casting or at least contain the possibilities of enhancing one of its properties in a normal manner. You can also use AP with Aegis too, if you're so uptight about blocking. Keep in mind that with Aegis it can be modified to a certain extent of efficiency. You set them up right outside of a battle, then pull aggro. Use Signet of Creation, then Assassin's Promise on something that's going to die. The reason why they die fast is because the effects are working on everyone. If they die immediately, that's because you're pulling way too big of an aggro and the spirits got wiped because it soaked up too much damage from everyone.

If you manage aggro good enough, you should be able to have the spirits set up before the battle, recharge when it's finished, and repeat.

And like I said, I gave him what I thought was a good Rit build using Assassin's Promise. I'm not going to tell him to delete it and make a monk.

You set them up right outside of a battle, then pull aggro. Use Signet of Creation, then Assassin's Promise on something that's going to die. The reason why they die fast is because the effects are working on everyone. If they die immediately, that's because you're pulling way too big of an aggro and the spirits got wiped because it soaked up too much damage from everyone.

If you manage aggro good enough, you should be able to have the spirits set up before the battle, recharge when it's finished, and repeat.

And like I said, I gave him what I thought was a good Rit build using Assassin's Promise. I'm not going to tell him to delete it and make a monk. And to speed things up a bit, get someone to aggro nearby mobs in the process. To get every-single-spirit up and ready for effect means you're wasting time that Aegis could take advantage of. Prots shouldn't not be instantanious for the most part anyway; in some cases, they're like that because if they weren't they'd be horrible imbalanced. (partywide block at 1/4 cast? non-elite block at 1/4 cast?)

Otherwise, the time you set up the spirit, they're either dead because of a huge mob or they're useless because you aggro'd f*** all.

I don't know why you keep bring up Monk skills. Like I said, I'm not going to tell him to delete his Rit to make a Monk. I gave him a Rit build using Assassin's Promise that I thought was good. If you don't like it, it doesn't make it a bad build.

It wouldn't be a huge mob if aggro was managed properly. And if the spirits died from a huge mob, at least someone in the party didn't, right? It's hard to aggro something while setting up spirits, since you're not moving and all while you're doing that, unless you planted yourself in the middle of a patrol. Any build based on spirits is by default bad. Spirits simply take too long to cast, cost too much energy, and have too damned long of a recharge time, and even if you can bypass those problems, you still have to deal with them being extremely fragile. Plus, everything spirits do can be done better utilizing the skills of other classes.

I don't know why you keep bring up Monk skills. Like I said, I'm not going to tell him to delete his Rit to make a Monk. I gave him a Rit build using Assassin's Promise that I thought was good. If you don't like it, it doesn't make it a bad build. That's what the wammo said to me. If someone likes the playstyle of a Ritualist, so be it. But that's no reason not to look at the downfalls of some things and not to compare, or even say why something's bad. And again, a build utilising Assassins' Promise doesn't point directly at a Spirit Spammer. Unless the OP posted specifics of the topic.