Why some weapons doesnt exist in inscr version.

Hi!

I am sure You have noticed that strange fact.

Of course we all know z-chest may drop any of inscr versions of GW weapons but some skins still doesnt exist. There are some examples:

- Echovald Shield
- Gothic Defender
- Ornate Shield
- Celestial Staff and Scepter
- Oni Blade
- Outcast Shield
- Plagueborn weapons

As You can see theese are Faction skins. And I still doesnt know why those skins don't drop from Z-chest.

Thanks that, those weaps are still rare, but anyway its annoying sometimes.

- Bone Spiral Rod

from Wiki:

"Inscribability or an Inscription slot is an inherent property of some weapons which allows them to accept inscriptions. The system was introduced with Guild Wars Nightfall; inscribable weapons are only available in Nightfall, Guild Wars Eye of the North, in the chests that spawn after defeating Kanaxai and Urgoz, and in the Hall of Heroes chest.

The introduction of inscribable versions of a weapon lead to confusion, as it is not immediately obvious whether a weapon has an inscription slot or not. The text "Inscription: None" or "Inscription: <Inscription name>" in the weapon description reveals that an item is inscribable. If the description does not contain this text, the weapon cannot be inscribed. "


And in the Zaishen chest wiki page it says not all skins are available.


So Anet never intended all weapons to be made available from the Z chest, or even all inscribable weapons. If there's a particular inscribable you want find out where to get it and farm... Or else whine on the forums cos the shop you're standing in doesn't sell your favourite flavour of ice cream...


http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Inscribable
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zaishen_Chest

Because those are Faction only drops. Why Anet didn't add them to the chest? I'm not sure, they could have. I mean Guardian of the Hunt can drop inscribable right? But that might have to do with the elite missions too. I do wish some of them would drop from the Z-chest because those weapons would be cool to have, cause when you usually get them their inherent's are meh.

Yep, it's question like these that keep me up at night ...

Caballo explained it quite clearly. Thanks!

well at least we know these weapons wont do a
" ele sword, voltaic spear, dead bow, sephis axe ect ect"

what I'm saying is because they arn't isnct they will always have value

Yes i know but.. I.e Gothic Sword or Gothic Axe drops inscr from z-chest, other celestail weapons as well. There is no rule i see.

Maybe there's a limit on how many items can be associated with a particular chest?

It would be better if Anet just made everything have inscription. That way, a new player wouldn't need as much money to get something decent. If not make everything have inscription, then just take it out completely. Either one way or the other, I think its stupid to have it in half the game and not the other half.

While i enjoy GW, this is one of the major problems with it and one of the reasons I doubt I will move to GW 2 - inconsistent decisions by the developers:

inscribable weapons suddenly start dropping when nightfall was introduced but factions and proph weapons remain unins. Why? doesn't really make sense and also pushes the majority of players to nightfall or eotn, leaving Cantha empty. Do one or the other but this half and half is dumb.

Many other things show the same lack of consistency. weapons from one place can be dyed but the exact same skin from another can not. Putting a very low drop rate on certain skins and then making them drop like candy all over eotn, heroes, consumables, etc, etc.

I realize what happens is that they come up something they think is a good idea - and often they are good ideas. So they implemented them with whatever new campaign they are building. but, because they don't go back and adjust the old campaigns to fit, the whole thing is disjointed and feels messy.

The only thing they have been basically consistent with have been minipets. and frankly, if i wanted to play pokemon I would have bought pokemon.

Since the same developers who made these decisions are now making GW 2, I can only assume it will be handled in much the same way. so I, for one, will enjoy and play GW1 till it dies and then move on to something not ANet related. It's not that I don't enjoy it. It's just that the game, as it is now, simply would not be worth paying the same amount of money for again. So i will enjoy what i have but not sink any more cash into it.

A more important question is... Why the heck are there still no celestial or zodiac Foci? suuure you can use a shield, but foci is better a lot of times. Plus it's just weird to leave 'em out.

Nightfall brought Insignia's; all Proph. and Factions armor were changed as well.

Still don't know why they kept the Inscribable weapons Nightfall- and EotN-only though.

Don't forget that the Prophecies end-game 'crafted weapons' are inscribable too...

Well it's quite common in large games like MMOs which have development to bring in new features only available in that particular part of the game and going forward.

Inscribables were probably intended only to be available to people who owned NF so they would have a more valuable option to trade with players who don't have NF or eotn.

The same is the case with other aspects of the game, and indeed in MMOs the world over. Basically if you want the item either go get it yourself in the place that it comes from or spend huge wads of cash to acquire it.

If you don't think it's fair, then go and tell Anet, but I would suspect the answer you receive will probably be nothing positive if you receive anything at all.

Inscribables are available in the UW, FoW, Urgoz and the Deep. there was no incentive to change the weapons for the older games as they weren't a feature in them and you should be able to play those games with the weapons you find there. else go to the place you can find the weapon, bring it back and use it.

True, although these weapons were only introduced during the 3rd birthday celebrations this past April. They weren't originally in Prophecies.

something decent? since when did a new player NEED certain skins? its this kind of thinking that introduced inscription when crafters were available for perfect mods, and its this kind of thinking that ruined pve. remove the last vestiges of the old guild wars by making everything inscriptable? no thanks.

Collectors and Crafters say hi.

Some weapons are rare, some are not.
Some drop only in one campagin, some in 2 and some everywhere.
Some drop only from 1 or 2 specific chests, and others from many kinds of chests and mobs.
Some drop only inscribable, only noninscribable or in both versions.
Many drop from Zaishen Chest and quite a large bunch doesn't.

It's called VARIETY. And it's good.

Those weapons which don't have their lame inscribable copies are especially valuable and more cool because of that fact. They should stay like that, for many reasons.

You dont *need* a particular skin with specific stats. You may want it. But you have to remember - they're just *VANITY* items.

crafters r actually quite expensive
u can buy common (but kikass) r9inscr for under 5k in kamadan

cheapest would be to buy 500g-1k greens

next cheapest would be go to the guru sell page or kamadan
and buy an r9inscr for 1k-5k and mod it urself


collectors can technically cost no money at all
unless u buy the trophies instead of farmin em urself
but its hard to find a seller for some of em
so i wouldnt really recommend it

maybe not :/

One possible reason might be that having inscribible weapons in NF and EoTN were thought of as possible selling points at first.

too bad it is partially responsible for ruining the economy..

but yeah, i find myself playing more and more factions trying to get a good uninscript drop.

The thing that makes the least sense to me is why noninscribable items can't use the new mods introduced in Nightfall (wand wrappings/focus cores/shield handles), making them the only mods with that limitation...

Go look for the inscription thread in Sardelac and see all the idiots whining about it. That's why.

And three years, six months later, there are still things to whine about.

Thank the gw gods they havent ruined these great weapons with inscribable ones. At least there is something fun to look forward to when you get one to drop and there is the anticipation of id'ing to see if it is sweet or not. For this reason alone i have a huge collection of celestial staffs and wands and plagueborn staffs, all perfect r9 20/20 or 20/10. (If you got any pm me... i have a sickness and buy them even though I have 3, 4, 5 or more of each one....). The day they ruin them with inscribables is the day I rage quit. I would rather get a perfect uninscrib weapon/shield like these any day than a valuable inscribable skin. And I just got my first decent gothic shield over the weekend so that was a great day too.

This doesn't even sound like an argument. It sounds more like whining. Why do skins matter so much?

"Omg I paid so much for this all ready and its not fair that he can get the same thing as me, but for less than what I put in, amirite?"

lol u dont even know wut items i have. my rarest items are rare because they do not have tyrian versions of them anymore, so inscriptions actually benefit me. assume more thks.

from my end it sounds like you people are whining and begging also. wuts ur point?

It doesn't matter if I know what items you have. The reason I support inscriptions is because it's less grinding in the end. Guild Wars isn't about grinding. So if someone wants to brag about how much time they put into a game over someone else, they should go play WoW.

The only reason I see defending against inscription is all the Elitists who have accumulated a lot of skins and would not want to see it turn into rubbish.

But that's just looking at it from a greedy point of view instead of seeing the long term benefits it would have on the Guild Wars economy.

^^
You obviously never played when there was some anticipation involved with IDing an item.

And if skins don't matter, why do they need to be inscribable? Exactly...

I view the fact that some skins are not inscribable as ANET's way of saying thank you to the players that have been here since the beginning. Thanks for the bone, ANET.

I have been playing since Prophecies before there was any inscriptions and there was never any anticipation with IDing items.

Skins don't matter to me. But making it inscribable would make it more accessible to new players.

Guild Wars shouldn't be about rewarding those who have played longer than someone else.

I will never understand the convictions of those who want equality for all, regardless of the effort that the individual exerts.

In my experience this is discussion always ends in /facepalm, so we can agree to disagree.

Because Guild Wars isn't about grinding. Therefore, equality to all makes the most sense. It shouldn't be about who played more.

Think of it this way:

Anet suddenly decides to make the update that all items dropped from now on will have inscriptions. Players who've horded items will be thrilled that their investment will be worth more now. New players will be thrilled that they now have access to certain skins there weren't able to have before. Elitist can still go around bragging about their weapons not having an inscription and how much it cost them to get it, or about how much money it will make them from selling it. New players can go around with their choice of skin now and not have to pour in a huge amount of time to get it.

Win/win situation. So why not support it?

I bet it's because each area creature and chest in each area has a separate drop table.
So it would take a lot of time to update all areas to the new system. explorables, missions, elite missions, chests...
Phew! That would sure take a lot of time.
Giving a boss a drop it's not a problem, but giving each kind of different creature in the whole game a new table...?
Even if they were by 'properties': One for undead, another for skletons, another for monks, so an Undead Monk would get drops from all of those
That would still take a lof of time, if they are per area.

But I bet they will do the update like they did with armors sooner or later.

Some people may say that they want to keep 'old drops'. But truth is that some drops were removed forever, like some +15% unconditional damage ones, even when a LOT of people complained about that.
And some of those that had more than 1 obsidian set per character complained too when insignia were added.

When new things come and they are more comfortable and easy to use for all, only egoistic people would complain.

For now, you must seek the inscribed versions of Prophecies and Factions drops in other campaigns and in reward chests like Underworld, Fissure of Woe, The Deep, Urgoz's Warren, Zaishen and Hall of Heroes, and hope the one you seek is in their lists.

Not all of them have been found there, but there are so many that who knows if they will appear someday.

We already know that 80 of the players have around 20k in their storage. That's more or less the same % of players that don't bother to trade or are bored of it and must be also a similar number to those that never visit game-related sites other than their guild's or some wikies at all.

Most of those players prefer Inscriptions and Insignia, because since they don't bother about trading and know less about 'trends', they care more about what they use and see in their characters; while the rest of the players may or may not like them.
For me are quite handy, although they are sometimes annoying, since people usually sell only the 'most used' inscriptions and you must find yourself the rest, since there is no weapon upgrade trader. But that was even worse with no inscriptions, where people only saved even less stuff, caring mostly about the typical 15%^50 and +5 energy.

So, like they did with Insignia, for the greater good of all, an update is meant to be, sooner or later...

Sooner or later...

*Deep and reverberating evil laughter*

*cough* Ahem.

Although I bet it would be later. Maybe even after the crowd of "I want a WoW with no fees" players that want things like more levels and more rarity in items leave to GW2.

Good post. I know it would take a lot of work, but I still feel it needs to be done.

As for unconditional 15%, it's true that they don't drop anymore, but I've seen some being sold before on the auctions.

So an "inscription from now on, but leave everything that exists all ready alone" should be doable.

If you want equality for all, go play Pong.

If all weapons will be inscribable, the next step will be "he has a crystalline and I don't waaaaah grind waaaaah I'm jealous fixplzanet" because it shouldn't be about who played more.

If you want grinding, don't play Guild Wars. Next step would be "he has a crystalline and I don't waah need to grind wahh to have the same option of getting one.

Actually, the next step would be to reduce the drop rate of overfarmed skins that were relatively common without inscriptions, but still rare to find with a perfect inherent attribute, so they stay still rare.

If someones comes then complaining about 'how hard is to get' the answer is simple: "It's a rare skin. It's not meant to drop a lot, they dropped more before because without inscriptions a smaller percentage of the drops were maxed. Not that more of them can be used while being maxed, you are actually getting a similar drop rate, while also being able to modify more the items you get. So you can't complain at all"

If anyone complained about the price of prestige armor sets of prestige crafted weapons the answer would be similar: "It's not meant to be cheap, they can be upgraded after you get them and use them a lot, you are paying the skin, etc, etc"

Short answer, greed
if all weapons were made inc, old school weapons would lose there worth because only collectors of old school weapon would be interested in them.

Actulally that's what happens now.

I was quite interested in the matter, so I went ingame and asked to some people in different places. Most of them, when asked "Which item would you sell and which item would you trade, regardless of the skin" most of them answered:
"I would sell the not inscribed, and keep the inscribed, since I can change it later anytime".

I didn't asked for a lo of time, and only one day (in the gap without festivals after wintersday and before the Canthan new year), maybe two hours or so, But I asked in all mayor towns in English and Spanish districts.

All in all, unless they also reworked the drops to keep rares rare, with the slow trading system we have, it's not like you'll sell much less, you'll just get some less cash for each sale, so people would need to sell more to earn the same. But that would be fixed with drop reduction for rares.

Ah another problems a better trade system would solve...
...hm... long since I said it last time, so I'll say it again, lest someone forget about it: "Xunlai Marketplace", XDDDD