I was farming Trick-or-Treat bags from the Vaettir using the Shadow Bomber build. As we know, the north group of Vaettir is made of 36 enemies and the south group is made of 24. Because of this disparity, I began to wonder if it was more efficient to kill the south group, or to rezone and farm the north group exclusively. Having nothing better to do, I recorded the drops of 50 runs in which I killed both groups. I decided to post the results here on the chance that someone might find them interesting. Also, I know 50 runs isn't going to give the most exact numbers, but it is good enough to notice general trends.
Number of bags dropped over 50 runs: 361
Bags dropped by the north group: 226
Bags dropped by the south group: 135
Average number of bags per run: 7.22
Average number of bags dropped by the north group: 4.52
Average number of bags dropped by the south group: 2.7
Percentage of my total that dropped from the north group: 62.6%
Percentage of my total that dropped from the south group: 37.4%
Experienced Drop rate: 12.03%
North group dropped better by: 91 bags, 67.41% better than the south group
So this shows that the extra 12 enemies in the north group make a measurable difference in the quantity of Trick-or-Treat bag drops. This leads me to suggest that farming the north group of Vaettir exclusively is more efficient for the time you spend farming.
Any thoughts, comments, or poorly spelled flames?
Obligatory farming pic
Some Trick-or-Treat bag drop numbers
Seawolf
A Simple Farmer
Interesting idea, but I think you need to take into account how long it takes to complete a North only run Vs a full run. So you end up with a drops per hour & runs per hour.
L|S >+>+G+<+<
thx to a simple farmer for letting us all know about this run in the first place
MiraBlackhand
I actually noticed the exact same thing.
Farming solely the north group provides more ToT bags nearly every run, and it takes about a minute to a minute and a half less than farming the north and south groups. Farmed 23 stacks so far (yay for 1,150k in ~20 hours).
Farming solely the north group provides more ToT bags nearly every run, and it takes about a minute to a minute and a half less than farming the north and south groups. Farmed 23 stacks so far (yay for 1,150k in ~20 hours).
A Simple Farmer
Seawolf
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Originally Posted by A Simple Farmer
Interesting idea, but I think you need to take into account how long it takes to complete a North only run Vs a full run. So you end up with a drops per hour & runs per hour.
I agree, of course.
Here's some of my times. I measured the time from portal to portal, including time picking up drops.
Full run: ~2 minutes 20 seconds
North group only: ~1 minute 20 seconds
This got me thinking of a way to make it faster. The answer is to bring Shadow of Haste and Dwarven Stability. At the beginning of a run, use Glyph of Swiftness, Deadly Paradox, Shadow Form, Dwarven Stability, and Shadow of Haste. Aggro the north group. Recast SF when you need to without GoS or DP. Making it recharge faster is irrelevant now. Blow stuff up, get your drops, and use DP or Dark Escape to shadow step back to the portal.
My times with this method are usually around 1 minute 5 seconds.
Edit: Didn't see your second post there. Looks like we've got the same conclusion.
Here's some of my times. I measured the time from portal to portal, including time picking up drops.
Full run: ~2 minutes 20 seconds
North group only: ~1 minute 20 seconds
This got me thinking of a way to make it faster. The answer is to bring Shadow of Haste and Dwarven Stability. At the beginning of a run, use Glyph of Swiftness, Deadly Paradox, Shadow Form, Dwarven Stability, and Shadow of Haste. Aggro the north group. Recast SF when you need to without GoS or DP. Making it recharge faster is irrelevant now. Blow stuff up, get your drops, and use DP or Dark Escape to shadow step back to the portal.
My times with this method are usually around 1 minute 5 seconds.
Edit: Didn't see your second post there. Looks like we've got the same conclusion.
Snorph
Where excatly is this again, in eotn? What area? north from there?
MacReborn1
I use perma SF mesmer with CoP, Ether N and radiation field. I found place where they not scatter and i have max kurzick, sunspear and asura titles, so it quit fast.
And i noticed too: more drops from north group.
And i noticed too: more drops from north group.
JimmyNeutron
FrEaK40
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Originally Posted by JimmyNeutron
What skill(s) are you using for damages? Dagger? I did try using sliver armor, but in HM, that was still too slow.
Anyone have a faster build to take them down faster?
Thanks!
use bombs -_-
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=shadow+bomber
Anyone have a faster build to take them down faster?
Thanks!
use bombs -_-
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=shadow+bomber
Nightow
Can this be done without pve skills?
Nightow
Ok, awesome. Thanks byteme! and eljer.
TurinPT
wait what there is a south group? where?
Teysar kitait
CyclonicYoh
60 always spawn, the the 24 near the bottom tend to group near the corner
Dr Dimento
It can be done with a few different builds.......
I've made a couple different builds to do this with a couple different professions.....my favorite being the sin. Takes 4 minutes from zone in to done, sometimes less. That's even killing all 60. Impossible to get "bodyblocked" into having a crappy run.......and its easily safe enough for people going for survivor.
www.youtube.com/dequeant
The burning speed method is my favorite. The concept is simple, maintain burning on them for 42 seconds......they die. Safe as being in an outpost
I've made a couple different builds to do this with a couple different professions.....my favorite being the sin. Takes 4 minutes from zone in to done, sometimes less. That's even killing all 60. Impossible to get "bodyblocked" into having a crappy run.......and its easily safe enough for people going for survivor.
www.youtube.com/dequeant
The burning speed method is my favorite. The concept is simple, maintain burning on them for 42 seconds......they die. Safe as being in an outpost
byteme!
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Originally Posted by Teysar kitait
could someone also answer this for me? I've been farming the "north" group of 36 vaettir for some time now and haven't seen a southern group at all, even when going and waiting down there for 5 minutes just to check...
Only in HM do you get the larger spawn.
gmonster2
Thanks for the great farm guys 1 hour 124 tots and 21 golds and more..
Haven't tried the shadow of haste skill yet (good idea), i was using return skill to step to nearest ally , found that quite handy when blocked..
To get the full 60 i.e. 2 groups you must have completed blood washes blood quest nothing to do with HM or NM ...
My drops were always good even at the end of the run i got 12 Tots and one gold from the 36 group after 1 hr of farming.
Also they all die at the same time from the huge keg spike so this goes a long way towards disproving the take it slow and kill one at a time to get better drops MYTH !!
Better to farm fast as possible for more drops per hour.
Gl too all.
1 hour 124 tots and 21 golds and more..Haven't tried the shadow of haste skill yet (good idea), i was using return skill to step to nearest ally , found that quite handy when blocked..
To get the full 60 i.e. 2 groups you must have completed blood washes blood quest nothing to do with HM or NM ...
My drops were always good even at the end of the run i got 12 Tots and one gold from the 36 group after 1 hr of farming.
Also they all die at the same time from the huge keg spike so this goes a long way towards disproving the take it slow and kill one at a time to get better drops MYTH !!
Better to farm fast as possible for more drops per hour.
Gl too all.
Teysar kitait
