Scythe Sins? Really?

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman View Post
never said [Chilling [email protected]] was armor ignoring and i know its long recharge i was stating a point. [Moebius [email protected]]+[Death [email protected]] spam gets boring excuse me if i like variety.
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MS is definetly not armor ignoring/ DB is powerful but not armor ignoring. armor ingnoring=smiting/holy dmg. AoHM=armor ignoring/scythesins w/AoHM>MS/DB.
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Unreal Havoc

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Stealth you lost this one. I still can't believe you said MS/DB wasn't armour ignoring, lol.

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Hmmm, i like scythe sins, I dont think running those heroes is necessarily the best idea though.

Stealth Bomberman

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc View Post
Stealth you lost this one. I still can't believe you said MS/DB wasn't armour ignoring, lol. iight lemme clear some things up:

I was refering to death blossoms non-armor ignoring effect to single targets

against adjacent foes, yes i know its armor ignoring. but against 1 foe it only gets the +dmg.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman View Post
iight lemme clear some things up:

I was refering to death blossoms non-armor ignoring effect to single targets (wat?)

against adjacent foes, yes i know its armor ignoring. but against 1 foe it only gets the +dmg. And the +dmg is armor ignoring.

Stealth Bomberman

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And the +dmg is armor ignoring.
wow, ok last post and i give up. if u have 14 dagger mastery, dmg against adjacent foes with DB will be 43 armor ignoring.

ur +dmg which at 14 dagger will be +43-44 i think which hits a single target for that +dmg. thats not armor ignoring.....if it was armor ignoring the skill would say deal 43-44 dmg to target foe would it?

idk if thats just me or if im misreading skill. if it says +dmg (deal +43 dmg to target foe) i dont consider it armor ignoring. if it says just dmg (deal 43 dmg to target foe) yes its armor ignoring.

its just like saying eviscerate which does around +30 something at 14 axe M. is armor ignoring which we all know isnt.

FlamingMetroid

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base weapon damage takes armor into consideration, bonus damage from a skill does not. If you had a pair of 0-0 daggers and used Death Blossom at 14 dm, it would always deal 43 damage.

Stealth Bomberman

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid View Post
base weapon damage takes armor into consideration, bonus damage from a skill does not. If you had a pair of 0-0 daggers and used Death Blossom at 14 dm, it would always deal 43 damage. yea to adjacent foes.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman View Post
wow, ok last post and i give up.
Please.

Quote: Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman View Post if u have 14 dagger mastery, dmg against adjacent foes with DB will be 43 armor ignoring. Yes.

Quote: Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman View Post ur +dmg which at 14 dagger will be +43-44 i think which hits a single target for that +dmg. thats not armor ignoring.....if it was armor ignoring the skill would say deal 43-44 dmg to target foe would it? 1: +damage is always AL ignoring.
2: So, no.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman View Post
idk if thats just me or if im misreading skill. if it says +dmg (deal +43 dmg to target foe) i dont consider it armor ignoring. if it says just dmg (deal 43 dmg to target foe) yes its armor ignoring. Not misreading, you simply misunderstand the mechanics of attack skills.

Quote: Nah I do the same on my crit sin, except I just grab 1 Rt/Mo smiter.
It really improves you killing power.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman View Post
its just like saying eviscerate which does around +30 something at 14 axe M. is armor ignoring which we all know isnt. Evis, like many attack skills, deals 2 'parts' of damage, being:

- base weapon damage, which is not AL ignoring.
- +damage, which is always the stated amount despite a foe's AL.

So what you presume everyone knows... just isn't correct.
yea to adjacent foes. No, the +43-44 to your target is also armor ignoring.

Unreal Havoc

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman View Post

I was refering to death blossoms non-armor ignoring effect to single targets
Death Blossom deals bonus damage to single targets which is armour ignoring + weapon damage which is non armour ignoring.

Must follow an off-hand attack. If it hits, Death Blossom strikes target foe for +20...40 damage and all adjacent foes take 20...40 damage.

As you can see Death Blossoms damage to non AoE targets is clearly stated as +damage. Testing on the Master of Damage confirms this.

Super Igor

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Ms/DB is still better than scythe sins, it has greater damage both on target and aoe also aint killed so much by ench strips. Yeah scythe sins are good but I never been a great fan of them tbh. :P

Also DB is armor ignoring, also, IV on HM is bad.

Bobby2

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman View Post
ooo so now were talking about AL ignoring dmg eh?
We were the whole time. At least for the last 2 pages.

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in that case yes, all +dmg atks do AL ignoring dmg.
Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman View Post
what i was stating is that u guys thought (and again i may have misunderstood), that (...wait this deserves highlighting)


all +dmg atks were armor ignoring meaning doing a set amount of dmg everytime. What?

Worst cover up I've seen in days - EDIT: keep misunderstanding what people say, it works wonders for you

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Just find my old build post, enjoy

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...06#post4249306

Luminarus

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On fighters only base weapon damage is effected by armor.

Hitting with deathblossom does a guaranteed 42 (or watever it is) damage to ur target, and all adjacent foess (x2). It also does whatever damage ur dagger did, which is effected by armor. This is the same with all weapons.

Chilling victory's AoE is cold damage, and is effected by armor.

Luminarus

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Earlier you were saying that only the aoe damage of death blossom was armor ignoring, not the + damage that hits ur target first. Now uve changed. Hence cover up.

Azeren Wrathe

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i know there was a crit sin build that people used scythes with, i think it got nerfed though, cant remember sorry.

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^I think you're reffering to the fox's promise one or the dark apostasy.
Those were more GvG builds, abusing wearying strike and sin's remedy at the same time

Luminarus

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They are still used, infact scythe sins are still pretty powerful in pvp. Abusing the 100ish damage crit of scythes on a class that can crit like 1 in 2 hits is strong.

arturfel

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Remedy is worthless, leave it to the monk remove ur conditions. Bring Death Charge and an hero with splinter weapon so u catch the mobs grouped together.

Instead of victory sweep bring asura scan or im the strongest.

In general areas of PvE bring Reaper Sweep for more damage in elite areas bring wounding to ensure de deep wound