Make GToB trade-town, instead of Kamadan.

I would like to make a petition to make Great Temple of Balthazar the new trade-town instead of Kamadan. It'll take alot of effort, because everyone is trading in Kamadan now, but GToB is so much easier.

Here are some advantages:

1. You can have a party of 8 people, so no need to kick heroes out.
2. If you have some mules, you can easily trade with your mules in GToB.
3. Everyone can reach GToB, now only people with NF added to their account can join in the big trade-town.
4. GToB is much smaller than Kamadan, so easier to find your buyer/seller.
5. Easier travel into Elona (no more lag because of needing to pass Kamadan).

Though there is 1 disadvantage:

1. There are no NPC-traders in GToB (Crafting Material Trader, Merchant,....), you can easily fix this by going to your Guild Hall (if it's full).

I know everyone will have to make some effort to do this, but it's possible...It would make trading much easier imo.

won't happen as that will take the entire community to participate, and they just look for the most crowded port-city, where many people are that WTB or WTS PvE stuff. GToB is mainly a PvP outpost, so the only trading that's going on there is stuff from the Z-chest and Z-keys.

I agree on your first and third point though.
point 2 can be done everywhere, I prefer my GH.
point 4 would make it too crowded. There's a search funtion you know.
and the disadvantage is big enough not to opt for GToB.

What Sjeng said. While I like trading in GToB, you'll never get Kamadan replaced because it's the most crowded PvE city that's accessible at all times through the ship travel. If they make a fourth game for some reason, that one will probably become the trade city.

Besides, there's things that people like to sell that GToB people generally have no need for, like consets. There's a reason everybody's in PvE towns to trade.

Sjeng, I know the whole community will have to participate, but alot of people who play GW, also visit Guru regulary (mostly the experienced and active players) so if some of the guru-members go and trade in GToB, more and more will join. It'll take some time, but people also left Kaineng Center to trade in Kamadan when NF came out... And with point 4 I mean that if you want to trade, you mostly invite your seller/buyer into your party, so you can just click on him to trade, but because Kamadan is so big, that's not always possible. It will be super-crowded in GToB then, but that's no problem I think, if you just invite the seller/buyer and then click his name you find him in no time.

zelgadissan, what does it matter if it's a PvE-town, or PvP-town?

The guru community is only a small percentage. People will not follow the example of a handfull of guru people who might agree with the idea. Take into account most guru people won't agree.

That's because NF was the new place to be for PvE.

As I said: use the search funtion.

True, but I'd like to SEE the person I'm trading with, same goes foe NPC's (which aren't in GToB in the first place...)

Because people trade PvE stuff.

This alone will stop many people from wanting to go to GToB.

The last thing I want is to roll a PvP character and have a shit ton of lag befalling my entrance to the area.

I don't think it is a bad idea at all, but it will never happen, as people have mentioned before. Personally, I think we should old school and make the Deldrimor Warcamp the new trade town! (or Ascalon City)

My 2 cents:

Kamadan is probably the most active trade spot these days, but L.A. is still quite active.

I agree with the OP that GToB would be the best place to trade. Oddly enough, if you sell stuff through Guru auctions, it's the place that most people meet to complete the deal, simply because everyone can access it (although not everyone knows they can).
To take the OP's points one at a time:

1 - The 8-people thing is really minor, but it would make life a little easier.

2 - Also relatively minor - you can trade with your own mules practically anywhere - GH being best choice really.

3 - This is the kicker. Some in this thread have suggested that GToB is a "PvP town", but that's a bit inaccurate. You don't need to be a PvP character to get there and no PvP stuff is actually done there. Plus, it's the way to access the Isle of the Nameless to try out things for PvP and PvE. And, you could trade stuff besides just Z-keys.
The main point though, is that it is accessible to ALL players regardless of what campaigns they have.
Edit - the most logical thing would be to use the International districts.

4 - also a minor, but helpful, point.

Edit#2 - about the one disadvantage. There are no material traders there, but the only thing you need those for are to check current prices. You can check prices in some other town or your GH (if equipped) before you go. Not a big disadvantage - not much worse than running all over Kamadan to get from storeage to NPCs.
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I don't think you'd need to be concerned about GToB becoming too crowded because, like any outpost, extra districts are added as needed. There are only X number of players in any one district. If GToB did become the trade town, just like in Kamadan, district 1 would be the main trading district - those who want to do other things (like complete Guru Auction deals) would simply go to higher numbered districts.

However, I doubt that it's ever going to happen. For one thing, it's a sort of chicken&egg thing where you need to have sellers in GToB before buyers will go there, but you need buyers there before sellers will go. Perhaps though, I will spend some time there in future.

im all for GToB to be the town, kamadan is just soooo ugly n dirty...i dont like nf at all, well besides vabbi. plus the best way to try a new wep out is to go hit barrels.

wts kamadan
wtb GToB
gogogo

new trade outposts = less lag for newcomers in NF & no spam -> less complaining
How I wish it were that simple.

It'd be full of PvP characters who don't trade. You'd get a mix of people talking PvP stuff and people trading.
The NPCs in Kamadan are useful.

Your idea is terrible.

100% true. Merchant and rare mat trader comes useful in Kama.

that

and this is a pretty unrealistic expectation.

Another advantage is that you could travel MUCH easier into Elona, because now you have tons of lag each time you need to pass Kamadan..

And you can easily fix the disadvantage of having no NPC-traders in GToB by going to your GH. (I guess everyone has a full GH these days..)

How do you plan to make a petition?

Anet didnt suddenly decide it was to be kamadan, the players did and as your only going to reach about 20% of players on forums you have no chance.

I know I have no chance Lykan, but over a longer period of time it could be possible...You never know, I'd like it.

you dont have to change anything for that.. just get everyone to realise gtob is easier trade in lol. people pick kamadan cos its the easiest place.

Temple is the perfect Z-Key tradeplace anyway. So quick to find sellers and buyers. It would be a nightmare trying to sort through the general pve junk ads to find them.

last i checked there was a local chat channel and a trade chat channel... heck, wasnt it just on the login announcements to remind players to use the right channels?

also, it wouldnt hurt for some people to hear about whats going on in the pvp world, maybe this will help a newer player learn quicker.

wouldnt be hard to put a merch/material guys in the temple. prolly shoulda had one there from the start seeing as it is a major port city. could add it in a build and on the login screen have a message like...

"to appease the need for pvp players to acquire resources for their competitive ventures, we have added the full compliment of traders to the great temple of balthazar in an attempt to make it the trading hub of the gw world. please feel free to check out the new town."

that would prolly be enough, and since a majority of players buy/sell on the same char, once they are in a town, they would log in and that town, problem solved.

That would be nice, but it won't happen... temple will remain just a niche for z-key selling/converting into ectos.

You can't just force arbitrary changes like that upon a community. It will not work, even if the change would be for the best. Languages (English more so than most) are a good example of this... they are not structured in the most rational manner, but any attempt to artificially make them more consistent or straightforward fails miserably, because the "old way" has evolved over a long period of time, and people are used to it, they will resist change. By the time most of the old people are replaced, the new people already got used to the "old way" as well.

Change is only possible over very long periods of time (generations in terms of languages, and I would estimate at least several months in terms of GW) and no sufficiently powerful and consistent force has been around for that long to make those changes.

So unless you get a few thousand people to move to temple, while encouraging the rest to do the same, and keep at it for several months, you're not going to get any results.

um......do not agree.
1st off, what does it matter if you have a party of 8 or a party of 1 to trade? As for heros, there still is no need to kick heros in kamadan. Its not like you have to have an empty party slot to trade. The only convenience of having an empty party slot is to copy and paste the name of person your trading with...and that's not absolutely necessary. But if you do find yourself in a position you need to have an empty slot, kick koss...its not like hes hard to find.
And like you said, there are no NPC-traders in GToB. As for hopping back and forth from GH to GToB just to check the price of say....rubies...something you didn't plan on selling but someone is wanting....makes it a pain to have to go to GH check price...Go back to GToB and hope to find the person wanting to buy.
Lions Arch, Keineng, and Kamadan have been the big trade towns from the beginning. Leave it that way. If its not broke, don't fix it.

1. if you choose to party up with people to trade, this would be nice. But there are a lot of people, including msyself who don't like to form a party for trade purposes, since on many, many occasions, the other person will map travel to who-knows-where,dragging me along with 'em!
   
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   If you have some mules, you can easily trade with your mules in GToB.

   You can just easily trade with mules in Kamadan.
   
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   Everyone can reach GToB, now only people with NF added to their account can join in the big trade-town.

   Although Kamadan is the main trade town, LA & KC still get plenty of business in their respective campaigns. One important benefit these towns have over GToB is that they're not out-of-the-way places. People end up there following the story-line, sometimes several times.
   
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   GToB is much smaller than Kamadan, so easier to find your buyer/seller.

   It won't be any easier to find someone in a crowd of people crammed around storage anywhere you go.
   
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   Easier travel into Elona (no more lag because of needing to pass Kamadan).

   It may reduce the lag, that's true.
   
   
   
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   There are no NPC-traders in GToB (Crafting Material Trader, Merchant,....), you can easily fix this by going to your Guild Hall (if it's full).

This trumps any reason for moving the main trade center from a main town to an outpost.

Not everyone will get on board with this, since people are resisitant to change, as stated all ready, the GWG population makes up a very small fraction of GW players. When HM first came out, there was an effort to make certian cities in the various campaigns centers for forming Vanquishing parties - it didn't last long.

gtob doesn't have all the traders kamadan has, harder to monitor prices and such.
this alone means kamadan>gtob

no, I have NO reason to go to gtob...I dont pvp ever and rarely have faction to get those keys...why should I have to go there to trade??

also NO guild hall for my guild....not everyone has one.

/notsigned....though I do wish that anet hadnot made the starter city of nightfall the place to trade....LA works well as its far enough into the game, kaneng too is ok...but kamadan, doesnt work out so well for me.

It's the crowd who decides the place where they will trade.

They will go where they see more people. And they see more people in Kamadan.

An outpost would need something unique and special no other outpost has and that can only be done there to make people go trade there.

Even if you turned the outpost into a real Town with traders, artisans, Festival hat makers and all the stuff PvE Towns have, people won't go there if they have nothing to do, so we'll stay the same: People would trade there only Zaishen keys, and mostly after Tournament points are given.

Nah. In a fully instanced game with so many outposts that make people spread all over the world, what you need is a system that works regarless of the outpost you are in.

And, here comes again, the Xunlai Marketplace as it was described in the data found in the gw.dat a long time ago would still be the solution.

gtob has its own market and doesn't need to be plauged w the rest of the wts'ers! the point to kmd, la, kc being trade towns is they are port towns....now go fail somewhere else.

Gtob is already a trade town, I usually do all my trades there if I sell an item on guru, gtob is the place to be. Other then that, if you want to buy zaishen keys, you also know gtob is the best place for that...
Every town has its "purpose", imo, its fine the way it is, if you want to trade in kamadan, just kick your damn heroes tbh...

i think the main thing gtob is missing is the npcs it dost have a rare trader, common mat, or just a merchant if they added those npcs to that area i think it would have been used more but now that kamadon is so used i think thats the place to be.

As an addendum to the petition - petition ANet to add a merchant and material traders to GToB. Since they are not going to implement an auction house or any other in-game trade system, that would be the next best thing. They could even help by saying they did so to encourage people to trade there, in the update notes.

In spite of what many people have said, having one outpost that ALL players can access is beneficial to both the sellers and the buyers. It's a pain in butt to have to skip around to 2 or 3 towns to buy/sell stuff. As a person who used to sell a lot of stuff through Guru Auction, I can say that I would really have liked to be able to buy/sell other stuff while sitting in GToB Intl1 waiting for Guru customers to show up.

Think about this - you get that shiny new sword you've always wanted as drop or from a chest. It's great except you want a +30 pommel and 20/20 for it. So go to Kamandan...... spam WTB......go to L.A.... spam..... go to KC..spam.. go back to Kamadan - rinse & repeat for a hours/days. Meanwhile, of course, the people selling those things are jumping around too.

Now, compare that to - get sword - goto GToB... put WTB in Search - get back to game in minutes.