I was wondering, when ANet designed the game, which of the titles/type of combat they considered the most important.
Looking at the highest organized PvP, we have HA and GvG. It seems strange that Hero titles lets the player display an emote, and the GvG one doesn't.
If the game is named "Guild Wars" - i.e. GvG!, wouldn't GvG have the most importance/relevance? It is arguably the most strategic/complex form of PvP yet it doesn't grant an emote, which HA title does, and it seems to make the Hero title a little bit more special, no?
Even Zaishen title has an emote and Champion title doesn't. Also weird that Zaishen is a reputation line similar to Lux/Kurz in progression and those don't have emotes.
Some may say emotes are overrated, yes they can be, but they definitely set their titles apart from the others.
What's your opinion on this? Please discuss.
Hero - Most important title? Why the emote?
Windf0rce
Issac
It's anet, who knows why the do half the stuff that they do lol. Guess they wanted people to do HA more so they added the emote. What they need to do is add a emote for kind of a big deal titles.
LifesRestorer
emotes were originally implimented to help form PUGs in tombs before titles were even put in the game.
They decided to make a zaishen emote to shut people up who got pissy about HAers getting emotes that they couldn't get cause they were bad at the game.
They decided to make a zaishen emote to shut people up who got pissy about HAers getting emotes that they couldn't get cause they were bad at the game.
KamikazeChicken
Because they took away rank sticks to help form teams and replaced it with the emotes.
Arkantos
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It's not because it's the most important, it's because it helped form pugs.
Zinger314
Also, e-peen.
Windf0rce
Interesting, I wasn't around back then. How exactly the emotes helped?
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by Windf0rce
Interesting, I wasn't around back then. How exactly the emotes helped?
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If you werent the level they were seeking or didnt emote, then you were likely kicked.
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by LifesRestorer
They decided to make a zaishen emote to shut people up who got pissy about HAers getting emotes that they couldn't get cause they were bad at the game.
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BadgerznPie
Because having a hero title automatically makes your e-peen's power level grow to over 9000. And because HA is srs bizness.
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by Windf0rce
Interesting, I wasn't around back then. How exactly the emotes helped?
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Eragon Zarroc
Hero emotes were implemented way before the implementation of titles. It is not intended to designate hero title as the most important. The main purpose of them was a visable symbol of a person's skill level and rank in Tombs/HA. Of course, because of certain team builds that people consider "gimmicky", most people no longer go strictly by a person's rank when judging their skill lvl. The reason why an emote isn't available for GvG i can only speculate is because there is a guild ladder. If u want people to know what rank u are in GvG, they only have to look up ur guild tag online. The zaishen emote is meant to be a global pvp emote for the players who do nothing but pvp. Of course, it doesn't have much weight to it because z-keys are capable of being traded to pve players. z-rank is very rarely a good measurement of a person's pvp abilities.
Mesmer in Need
Some people think it actually means something, those are the ones ranking random people in PvE outposts and calling them noobs because they haven't grinded as much fame as them, or don't have a certain skill or weapons, ect.
Mr. Undisclosed
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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az
as opposed to being able to play IWAY? o.O
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Chocobo1
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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need
Some people think it actually means something, those are the ones ranking random people in PvE outposts and calling them noobs because they haven't grinded as much fame as them, or don't have a certain skill or weapons, ect.
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DarkNecrid
Actually, if you research the history of the game (articles, interviews, videos, the freaking Prophecies box...) Heroes Ascent/Tombs was touted as the NEW SUPER AWESOME PVP MODE!!!! and so they had fame to go along with the idea of rl countries at war in a videogame (a way to show ones devotion to their country, and to help form PUGs as someone said). This ultimately backfired on them and now HA really isn't this SUPER AWESOME PVP MODE. Fame just shows how much devotion you have to that choice mode (like Gladiator, Commander, Champion, etc), and now it really just prevents PUGs to new players. HA became a less prominent mode because due to the nature of skills in the game and the nature of HA, it is more conducive to gimmicks and broken builds than any other game type.
Also the game is called Guild Wars cause of the Guild Wars that happened in Tyria long ago, not because of Guild versus Guild battles (which are not part of the Guild Wars.).
Also the game is called Guild Wars cause of the Guild Wars that happened in Tyria long ago, not because of Guild versus Guild battles (which are not part of the Guild Wars.).
ALF71BE
Tombz.
srs bs(ns).
so i herd hero required the less skill and the most grind so u culd fap at ur big e-peen
Feels good doesn't it Chocobo?
srs bs(ns).
so i herd hero required the less skill and the most grind so u culd fap at ur big e-peen
Feels good doesn't it Chocobo?
maraxusofk
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Tombz.
srs bs(ns). so i herd hero required the less skill and the most grind so u culd fap at ur big e-peen Feels good doesn't it Chocobo? |
Pleikki
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Looking at the highest organized PvP, we have HA and GvG. It seems strange that Hero titles lets the player display an emote, and the GvG one doesn't. |
Makkert
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Originally Posted by Pleikki
GvG Fellas got their Cape trims, its way cooler then some emote
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no need to spiff it up more.
pOmrAkkUn
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GvG Fellas got their Cape trims, its way cooler then some emote
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pumpkin pie
I think it has to do with individual and group achievement, emote for HA achievement is granted to the individual and it follows the player's account, GvG gets the cool cape trim and it follows the Guild not the individual, once you leave the guild you don't have that anymore.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Because titles didn't exist. The Hero Ranking was the ONLY "title" in the game, and there was no way to display it below your name like you do now. As such, the only visual way to show your rank to somebody else was with emotes.
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The other PvP titles (along with title display) weren't added until much later.
vaxmor
anyone remember rank sticks?
miskav
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Originally Posted by Issac
It's anet, who knows why the do half the stuff that they do lol.
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EPO Bot
The one thing Anet overestimated was the popularity of the more noob unfriendly forms PVP. Only a few people enjoy it. Those who want to try won't ever find a party. Those who can get a team quickly get tired of using the same builds over and over.
They say pve titles are grind, but try to get a high pvp title. Most repetitive activity ever because of the "mandatory overpowered build of the current patch" -gameplay.
That's why you only have a few maxed hero characters.
They say pve titles are grind, but try to get a high pvp title. Most repetitive activity ever because of the "mandatory overpowered build of the current patch" -gameplay.
That's why you only have a few maxed hero characters.
Ate of DK
Very simple:
- HA had an impact on the favor of the gods and was very important for a large part of the game (Ecto's/Shards/Elite armor). They gave HA a title to show how much experience you have... which always ends up in abuse and massive grind until a few reach the final destination and are labeled: Lamer xxx-way noobz!
- GvG has a ladder system, and now capes, dominated by a few guilds in the early days and they still earn great respect when you look at threads where people name the best guilds in the game. To become famous as a team you should be here.
- HA had an impact on the favor of the gods and was very important for a large part of the game (Ecto's/Shards/Elite armor). They gave HA a title to show how much experience you have... which always ends up in abuse and massive grind until a few reach the final destination and are labeled: Lamer xxx-way noobz!
- GvG has a ladder system, and now capes, dominated by a few guilds in the early days and they still earn great respect when you look at threads where people name the best guilds in the game. To become famous as a team you should be here.
Michael805
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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az
as opposed to being able to play IWAY? o.O
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Alleji
Hero was the most important title when the game came out. Anet had great expectations for HA and PvP in general. In fact, hero was the only "title".
Obviously it's not anymore.
Obviously it's not anymore.
ALF71BE
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Originally Posted by maraxusofk
iono man. ra and ab looks like it takes even less skill.
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Lykan
Because originally it was the only title (of sorts, it couldnt be displayed but it still had ranks).
Scythe O F Glory
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Originally Posted by Windf0rce
I was wondering, when ANet designed the game, which of the titles/type of combat they considered the most important.
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Horseman Of War
Well it used to be that HoH battles dictated the gods favor.
So yes the rank&emote used to be special.
But i think we all know that now HoH is not quite so special, and all the little bambi flashing punks are good buildwars grinders.
But believe it or not, yes, it was special once. And people need to feel special.
So yes the rank&emote used to be special.
But i think we all know that now HoH is not quite so special, and all the little bambi flashing punks are good buildwars grinders.
But believe it or not, yes, it was special once. And people need to feel special.
Avarre
This is one of the few times you can't say ANet did it for no reason/accidentally/the lulz. There's actually a solid reason (used to show rank when it was the only title in the game).
thor hammerbane
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Or super defensive-way. (3 blinds, 3 monks and a WoH ele... looking at you, Leeloof)
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Leeloof needs to get off the fail train..I think he missed his stop 3,937 times.
HawkofStorms
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This is one of the few times you can't say ANet did it for no reason/accidentally/the lulz. There's actually a solid reason (used to show rank when it was the only title in the game).
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Dumb guru.
fenix
because a.net is the sux... duh.
Jiao Yang
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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need
Some people think it actually means something, those are the ones ranking random people in PvE outposts and calling them noobs because they haven't grinded as much fame as them, or don't have a certain skill or weapons, ect.
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Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by Jiao Yang
I didn't ever find one minute of gaining my rank a grind. It also shows great ignorance to suggest that the title has absolutely no meaning.
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It CAN have no meaning, because we were offered to do it this way. We wouldn't have gained any gaming experience from it, just the emote. But I wanted to know HOW it worked, therefore didn't accept it.
Took me 3 years to get my R3... but I earned it. And we ran something that was non-meta (just to prove my point in the next paragraph, I had a R10 telling us our team setup was meta... meta = standard, and it's not standard if only two or three teams are running it; the only times we faced a similar teams were because they had teamed up with us once or twice and failed to replicate the builds). I had the chance to learn the maps, tactics, why we could win this and why not the other, what to do vs. another team, their weaknesses, their strengths...
I still stick by my "rank doesn't automatically mean skill" attitude, because of what I see in PUGs. People who have rank but don't know basic game things, like damage, resistances/weakness, aggro basics... that a monk cannot heal something that's 10k miles away... and still think that they're the best thing since white bread because they have a rank.
Anyways, to get back to the point (sorry for the rant, just sour at the mob mentality regarding rank), it was indeed the only way of displaying a title to prove it, thus making it easier to form groups of roughly equivalently experienced people.