[vid]how to play assassin

moriz

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so i decided to jump on the posting vids bandwagon, and now proudly present my own contribution.

in this video, i demonstrate that to play a good assassin is more than just bringing a powerful build and mash buttons. hopefully you'll pick up on the tricks and tactics i employed. i purposely used the weakest assassin build i know (yes kids, it's the shove spiker. BEWARE!) to give myself a damage handicap, and force myself to not rely so much on the build, but to use positioning, terrain and other tactical elements to help me score kills.

youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht_IajHI0dg

be sure to click on the "high quality" option once it becomes available.

high quality version, courtesy of filefront: http://files.filefront.com/assassin2.../fileinfo.html
resolution is 840x524, 342.21 MB, compressed with XviD codec (so be sure to have that before viewing!). please actually download the file, because the streaming video compressed it quite heavily.

edit: and before anyone say it: yes, i did use the fruitiest music i could find.

Neverending Silence

Neverending Silence

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

USA

Babes N Bastages [BNB]

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coldplay isnt fruity -_-

Celeborn10

Celeborn10

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In my lair...

R/Mo

I'm surprised Shove works so well but it's probably more due to the excellant positioning. Loved the mouse click positioning ownage. Did you use voice communication with your team?

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

The shove build is one of my favorites and can easily destroy people if you know what you're doing and more importantly what everyone else is doing. It sucks 9 times out of 10 unless if you know the exact moment there's a flaw in the enemy.

Luminarus

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Shove sins are sick, alhough I dont run that build exactly. I rather use an enchant and golden pheonix for a higher damage chain (shove, falling, twisting,golden, blades of steel)

Perfected Shadow

Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Zul'Aman

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How to be gud sin: kill dead rangers' pets just becuz.
j/k moriz

Rak Orgon of Beowulf

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Krytan Explorer

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just chillin

Omg Gwen Is Legal [EotN]

nicely done...mouse click positioning was ridiculous lawl
i cant stand mouse click...

The Arching Healer

Jungle Guide

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Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]

Playing sin in all arena's except HB is useless. For exemple in AB 99% of the professions can easily shut it down. As Ranger if you get killed by a Assasin, you are doing something srsly wrong. From the first 20 seconds I see you use shove immediatly after attacking a enemy. Everyone with brains dshotted it allready.

Morgoth the dark

Wilds Pathfinder

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a vid how to play a sin? Go to HB, press B and observe top 100...

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

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A/Mo

he is forced to do that because of his build (shove's cooldown and horn's conditional). that was his intention though. good job impressing noobs. btw excessive clicking is like starcraft players increasing their apm, also for impressing noobs.

moriz

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99% of the professions can POTENTIALLY shut it down. whether that occurs or not is another story.

uploading highres version now. it's clear enough that you can read the texts.

zelgadissan

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/vote sticky because too many sins I know play with "LOL WUT'S POZITIONING?1?!1one" and can't do anything past smashing buttons. Great video. Also /vote to force this to be the first page Cytherea sees upon login and/or visiting the site.

petrorabbit

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
that video was 95% running around and 5% attacking. many times you dont even kill the guy you shove. it was so boring i had to fast forward a lot. and whats up with the faggoty music. dont bother with the highres version tbh.
You're still here?

Quote: Originally Posted by MiraBlackhand View Post Then again, you're already a joke amongst most of the common sin forum goers, so I don't really know why I am trying to teach you how to play your sin correctly when you have already proven to be too stubborn to listen to what anyone else thinks. Fact

Quote: Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post he is forced to do that because of his build (shove's cooldown and horn's conditional). that was his intention though. good job impressing noobs. btw excessive clicking is like starcraft players increasing their apm, also for impressing noobs. Oh, I get it. You're taking my advice about the troll persona.

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid View Post
You need to get used to it! There's absolutely no reason to WSAD in this game as mouse clicking confers too many benefits not to use it, and it also confers Chiizu dancing to melee classes like the Sin, so it's even better.

lol @ Cytherea as always. +1

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan View Post
/vote sticky because too many sins I know play with "LOL WUT'S POZITIONING?1?!1one" and can't do anything past smashing buttons. Great video. Also /vote to force this to be the first page Cytherea sees upon login and/or visiting the site. +10!

moriz

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
he is forced to do that because of his build (shove's cooldown and horn's conditional). that was his intention though. good job impressing noobs. btw excessive clicking is like starcraft players increasing their apm, also for impressing noobs. and i play the same way no matter what i'm playing. of course, i'll be more aggressive when playing a warrior, far more defensive/evasive when playing a monk, etc. but the underlying style is all the same: why directly engage, when i can force my opponents to defeat themselves?

there are tons of tactical elements to take advantage of in AB. if i can use those elements to severely weaken my opponents before they can directly engage me and/or my teammates, then that's what i will do. it is the basic principle of war: maximize damage to your opponents, minimize damage to yourself. i'm perfectly content with forcing an opponent to first fight through the npcs, my teammates, and whatever else that can damage him while i kite in a circle. if he's not dead by the time i'm done, i'll fight whatever's left of him and win in an epic mismatch. damage done by my opponent: zero. damage done by me: complete and utter destruction.

sun tzu agrees btw:

"To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu, The Art of War
all that should be child's play. i'm kinda surprised that some people (cough cough) do not understand it.

btw, highres version is now available.

petrorabbit

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Originally Posted by moriz View Post
sun tzu agrees btw:

"To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu, The Art of War I doubt he knows who Sun Tzu is.

Judging by his name, he'll mistake him as a communist.

Btw, Filefront is sucking right now.

FlamingMetroid

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Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
that video was 95% running around and 5% attacking. many times you dont even kill the guy you shove. it was so boring i had to fast forward a lot. and whats up with the faggoty music. dont bother with the highres version tbh. WOW, you're a dumbass

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

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@moriz: you enjoy them creaming themselves watching you click 1000 times to walk in a straight line. that's fine and dandy but more efficient folks like to hold w.

you didnt gimp yourself that much, the build can still kill stuff. but im sure you're aware there are more powerful builds that allow you to kill more continuously and make less of a snoozefest video.

[email protected]: Quote:
damage done by me: complete and utter destruction. i tried to watch the video again with an open mind (unlike other forumgoers) but that is definitely not the feeling i get. the running and fruity music were too much.

Tyla

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
@moriz: you enjoy them creaming themselves watching you click 1000 times to walk in a straight line. that's fine and dandy but more efficient folks like to hold w.
olololololol

Sorry, but clicking gives you more flexibility and unpredictability. That itself outweighs the "benefits" of using WASD (the only time I'd consider using this is crossing bridges; sometimes it gets annoying walking and accidently clicking the bridge).

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you didnt gimp yourself that much, the build can still kill stuff. but im sure you're aware there are more powerful builds that allow you to kill more continuously and make less of a snoozefest video.
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[email protected]:i tried to watch the video with an open mind (unlike other forumgoers out there) but that is definitely not the feeling i get. the running and fruity music were too much.
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Originally Posted by Video Description
Me playing one of the worst assassin builds i know of. He admitted it was bad. So much for "trying to watch the video with an open mind" when you don't even take notice of the description.

moriz

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not to mention, if i press w i'll just activate shadow walk.

my keyboard layout doesn't even have movement keys. why bother with WASD when mouseclicking is far more effective?

Bobby2

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Finally some decent footage on (what's left of) instagibbage.

Cytherea plz re-roll a Derv.

I use WASD for large tracts of ground because I'm lazy

can't do that when engaged since 12345678 Space and Tab takes up all of my left manual dexterity

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Originally Posted by Video Description
Me playing one of the worst assassin builds i know of. Cheap! Excuses! Shovesin rules wth do you mean

Celeborn10

Celeborn10

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R/Mo

Cytherea's comments make one wish for the implementation of IQ tests on forums. The High-Res is excellent, thanks for it. I realize now that Shove has really good damage and knockdowns but the 20 second recharge means you really have to think before you unload it.

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

Quote:
He admitted it was bad. So much for "trying to watch the video with an open mind" when you don't even take notice of the description.
he lied, the build is not that bad. but the cooldown of shove and the conditional of horns force you to run around a lot, which is boring.

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Finally some decent footage on (what's left of) instagibbage. i probably saw only 2 "instagibs" (from full health, and im being lenient cuz they die awhile later from degen) out of all the attempts. the rest were either failures or followups on already damaged targets.

...

btw those opponents are just as bad or even worse than those i encounter in ra. and it is surprisingly lucky how you encountered virtually 0 antimelee the whole match.

the guy below me also makes an unbiased assessment, good job.

snaek

snaek

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meh
decent playin

but...
bad build
bad map
bad opponents

you've never had to overcome any specific problems
(ab tactics wise or 1v1/4v4 fighting wise)
u simply breezed through the match

so its more of a show-off vid than a how-to vid

yesh, u kno how to kite and stay out of danger
ab specific, can u redirect mobs and slow down enemy cap rates?
teasing ppl, and breaking apart 4man teams
i saw very little, if none at all, of that
(but that was prolly cuz u were facing nubs on deep lux that it was not required)



btw
mouse-clicking is more effective in gw in terms of movement

im a wsad'r jus cuz i hate mouse-clicking
(reason i wont play diablo)

but i havent ran into any probs where its given me any probs
it also frees up the mouse for targetting, inventory shield swapping, map drawing, etc

i think u have to balance or choose between mouse movement or mouse targetting



edit: btw, i saw no instagibs
a true "instagib" requires an ias

FlamingMetroid

FlamingMetroid

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The Luminaries [Lumi]

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I imagine Cytherea as the person who plays a Pyro in TF2 by holding down w + mouse1 then going and bragging about how pro he is.

Bobby2

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Quote:
Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
i probably only saw 2 true instagibs (from full health, and that's being lenient cuz they die awhile later from degen) out of all the attempts. the rest were either failures or followups on already damaged targets
Ya haven't you heard? Instagib is dead. The ones he did get at full health were probably using sup runes or lrn2maxarmor

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Originally Posted by Snaek
edit: btw, i saw no instagibs
a true "instagib" requires an ias An IAS would screw over his KD lock.

Still Grapple over Healsig, narf.

snaek

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Originally Posted by Bobby2 View Post
Ya haven't you heard? Instagib is dead. The ones he did get at full health were probably using sup runes or lrn2maxarmor

An IAS would screw over his KD lock.

Still Grapple over Healsig, narf.
instagib is only dead in popularity
u still can instagib in this game

and i kno an ias would ruin kd lock
thats the reason u didnt see any instagibs in this vid
shove isnt an instagib build


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Originally Posted by 360
Last note "to use positioning, terrain and other tactical elements to help me score kills." I watched the whole video to see any of these, and I didn't see the amount I thought I would. In a nuthsell, nothing to see. altho generally u want to stay in a safe range on spike cooldown and before spikes, etc
in this scenario he was playin against nubs on a nub map
u could even go as far as to argue whether he would actually be more effective by putting out more dps by auto-attacking in this scenario
as i really dun think he would have died if he did infact do this
(as u can see near the middle/end of the vid, he does start to auto-attack)

of course, that goes against the "typical" sin play-style
but u always have to judge the situation no matter wut and adapt to wutever is necessary despite wut ur class/build implies u to be doin

Bobby2

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Quote:
Originally Posted by snaek View Post
instagib is only dead in popularity
u still can instagib in this game
Not with decent competition around.

Quote: Originally Posted by snaek
and i kno an ias would ruin kd lock
thats the reason u didnt see any instagibs in this vid
shove isnt an instagib build ...I'll let aftercast decide whether it's instagibby or not


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Originally Posted by snaek
u could even go as far as to argue whether he would actually be more effective by putting out more dps by auto-attacking in this scenario wat

moriz

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i admit, this isn't the best example i have. unfortunately, the better video i made got corrupted, which is too bad because it was on a fairer match with significantly less teammate support, so it really did force me to pull tricks.

as soon as i sort out the compatibility problem between vista and fraps, i'll post a few more videos, hopefully on fairer maps and more tactical elements.

btw, what do you guys mean by "excessive mouse clicking"? i didn't exactly pull a chiizu here (he will quite literally continuously click, even if he's running in a straight line). any instance where i just need to travel long distances i clicked once off in the distance. it's only where i need to make quick/smooth turns i clicked rapidly.

Super Igor

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why should you kno? Oo

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Moriz is sexy, GG, your build lacks d-shot though.

moriz

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if you are wondering if i can do everything he asked for in that post, the answer is yes. i can even do mouse targetting and mouse movement at the same time. if i wanted to, i can maintain a high enough APM so i can do all that at the same time.

the reason why i chose mouse movement? well, you try doing some of those hairpin turns with wasd. it's possible, but a lot more difficult.

moriz

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then you'll just have to live with less efficient movement.

btw, i've fixed fraps, so i will be able to record another vid. hopefully i'll get some better results this time.

Bobby2

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Make it Saltspray, so people won't whine.

Looking forward to it