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Could have at least backed me up on [i am the strongest]

EDIT: oooh, that one. Too bad the chain takes up so much room, I always like to abuse PvE skills lolwut, poor bobby.

The chain is powerful enough already. :P

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06 Nov 2008 at 11:00 - 13

lolwut, poor bobby.

The chain is powerful enough already. :P The words 'powerful' and 'enough' shouldn't ever be in the same sentence.

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08 Nov 2008 at 14:14 - 14

The words 'powerful' and 'enough' shouldn't ever be in the same sentence.

Ok, bar selket show'd is more efficient. :P

Tho, for areas with mobs that cant be kd'd it wont perform as well. =/

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08 Nov 2008 at 14:40 - 15

Ok, bar selket show'd is more efficient. :P ....cuz of one lousy Shadowstep?

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11 Nov 2008 at 06:49 - 16

Im srs, you are supposed to be killing fast right? So you need something to get you to your target fast, shadow steps even after the nerf seem to be the best choice because you dont want to lolrun to each of them. Honestly there is a great pve sinspike build, the one Selket has posted, use it. bobby is right. shadowstepping in pve is lame. the AI doesnt react to something running up to it like a actual player would. IF ur gonna shadowstep in pve....use [aura of displacement], but then thats a wasted elite slot in pve...

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11 Nov 2008 at 08:44 - 17

Hanging out in frontlines is never a good idea for a sin that doesnt have a good monk behind it, or atleast critical agility.

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11 Nov 2008 at 10:06 - 18

You guys misunderstand the way the build I posted works and the reasoning for why it is setup the way it is.

The Shadow Step covers Assassins Promise from being removed and allows for teleport in, spike target dead with quarterknock, teleport out back to relative safety style gameplay. The instant recharge and energy gain means you can instantly teleport back in and teleport out over and over again. Rinse and repeat. Why waste time running up to your target to hex them twice (you should always cover Assassins Promise) and then run around after them to complete your chain when you can teleport in and out and actually be effective doing it?

Aura of Displacement is a waste of an elite slot because it is negated by enchantment removal, which is more common than hex removal in PvE and has no positive effect if removed (ie: Deep Wound on target from Shadow Fang). Not to mention it has lengthy downtime if removed early with no way to quickly recharge it, has aftercast, and is a maintainable enchantment lowering your overall energy gain when attacking. The mechanics of Shadow Fang when paired with Assassins Promise are far stronger when used in conjunction together.

Try the build before bashing the way it works, you'll be very pleasantly surprised at how well it works in the right enviroment.

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11 Nov 2008 at 10:58 - 19

....cuz of one lousy Shadowstep?

QQ Yeah, only shadow step that gives dw and has no aftercast + more powerful combo and a free slot.

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Yeah, only shadow step that gives dw and has no aftercast + more powerful combo and a free slot. Thought you'd be the last person I'd have to tell Shadow Fang's DW is irrelevant >.>

Anyways, KDs = juice. Ain't gonna argue that. But how is that combo more powerful? I mean, I could also swap out a PvE skill for rez, but moar power = gud.

Also, read up. I ain't running this unless an Imbagon takes care of me. Shadowsteps are for those with <170AL.

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11 Nov 2008 at 18:11 - 21

Kkz, but I want to change your combo something tells me you can do better than [black mantis thrust][golden fang strike][wild blow][blades of steel]. I think not. The beef I've always had with the build Unreal posted were its lack of free slots (again, I like PvE skills, and Assassin's Promise just screams for abuse), and its horrid vulnerability against even minor Hex resistance.

Didn't need the shadowstep, as explained before. [asuran scan] is a way better cover Hex anyway; instant-cast, 5sec (!) recharge, doesn't bounce you out of kill range upon removal.

[i am the strongest] is a skill used BY YOURSELF in proving some DPS point waaaay back (remember the pic?), makes even auto-attacks deal impressive damage etc.

Wanting all of this with AP and Agility, left me with only 4 slots for actual attacks.

[black mantis thrust][golden fang strike] takes care of the essentials without pussyfooting around.
[blades of steel] because I'm as much of a showoff as the next guy.
[wild blow] because it ends stances, refreshes agility, doesn't ever break up your chain, and fills in as 4th for BoS.

You could take an, expected maybe, O-D-O-D chain but... none of them snare or end stances

Originally Posted by Bobby2 View Post

Thought you'd be the last person I'd have to tell Shadow Fang's DW is irrelevant >.>

Irrelevant yes but it still has dw. :P

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Anyways, KDs = juice. Ain't gonna argue that. But how is that combo more powerful? I mean, I could also swap out a PvE skill for rez, but moar power = gud. Well, it has two falling skills, spider and lotus, bos, trampliing and ymlad deals some big dommages I think you end up dealing more damage.

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Also, read up. I ain't running this unless an Imbagon takes care of me. Shadowsteps are for those with <170AL.

How are you shadowstepping?

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11 Nov 2008 at 21:35 - 22

I'm going to trample all over you now

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Irrelevant yes but it still has dw

Bullsh*t. That DW is inflicted only upon Shadow Fang's end, which is when either
a) the target has died - hey, you might as well have used a DW to kill it
b) after 10 seconds, and if you're satisfied with 10 sec kills you should gtfo

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Originally Posted by Super Igor Well, it has two falling skills, spider and lotus, bos, trampliing and ymlad deals some big dommages I think you end up dealing more damage.

Are you serious? Trampling Ox, 'big domage'? YMLAD is a good skill but doesn't benefit from Asuran Scan and/or IatS!

Igor, please try teh build first kthx??? What it lacks in KDs it makes up for in truly excessive damage

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How are you shadowstepping?

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Originally Posted by Me, earlier

And no I don't need a shadowstep, cuz I'm in it's face. I can do that, because there's an Imbagon with me. Otherwise I'd be running MS/DB with SY! myself. I'm not!

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11 Nov 2008 at 23:02 - 23

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I'm going to trample all over you now

*crys in fear*

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Yeah but in theory it has dw! xD

Ok, I stop annoying ya nao, dw from fang is irrelevant sure but still a nice shadowstep thanks to lack of aftercast.

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Are you serious? Trampling Ox, 'big domage'? YMLAD is a good skill but doesn't benefit from Asuran Scan and/or IatS! You can chuck asuran scan or iats in there. What I really like about that bar is that you jump, kill, jump, kill, jump, kill without any silly running around casting enchies and kd-lock, really like the kd-lock otherwise you end up dealing moar dommages with your build. :x

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Igor, please try teh build first kthx??? What it lacks in KDs it makes up for in truly excessive damage

NOEZ, I like MS/DB! QQ

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Kkz, but I want to change your combo something tells me you can do better than [black mantis thrust][golden fang strike][wild blow][blades of steel].

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

With both Scan and IatS! guaranteeing damage, utility needs to come from attack skills. Be glad we have it available.

Shorter natural recharges on both attack skills and cover Hex makes it a bit more resilient as well.

EDIT: oh and Igor, you can chuck Shadow Fang in there somewhere if you must be hopping around ninja-like - as Unreal explained any Promise build can effectively run it. I just don't think it's worth the slot cuz IMA BATTLE LION.

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Hay saxay!

tho, wizard ninjas > battle lions, discuss. Hahaha

No

Originally Posted by Bobby2 View Post

[i am the strongest] is a skill used BY YOURSELF in proving some DPS point waaaay back (remember the pic?), makes even auto-attacks deal impressive damage etc.

Aint arguing that [i am the strongest] is very very sexy, although mah uber dps build was so impractical. QQ

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Wanting all of this with AP and Agility, left me with only 4 slots for actual attacks.

[black mantis thrust][golden fang strike] takes care of the essentials without pussyfooting around.
[blades of steel] because I'm as much of a showoff as the next guy.
[wild blow] because it ends stances, refreshes agility, doesn't ever break up your chain, and fills in as 4th for BoS. Waitwut, [wild blow] triggers BoS? oO

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cuz IMA BATTLE LION.

Hay saxay!

tho, wizard ninjas > battle lions, discuss.

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Aint arguing that [i am the strongest] is very very sexy, although mah uber dps build was so impractical. QQ

Yes it was. Now imagine this pwning unremovable buff being permanent.

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Waitwut, [wild blow] triggers BoS? oO Know ur skillz, check wiki if you must.

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12 Nov 2008 at 22:53 - 27

Thought you'd be the last person I'd have to tell Shadow Fang's DW is irrelevant >.>
Should you be fighting targets with a decent amount of health (HM for example) the Deep Wound that triggers when you shadow step back is normally enough to kill your target coupled with the degen from poison inflicted.

Originally Posted by Bobby2 View Post

Yes it was. Now imagine this pwning unremovable buff being permanent.

This statement makes me want to be good at reaction images, in a good way.

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Know ur skillz, check wiki if you must.

Ups happens. :P

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Hahaha

No

Hahaha

Yes

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

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14 Nov 2008 at 23:15 - 29

The annoying thing about Shadowfang tho is that the juicy stuff triggers right when you arent up in their face to take advantage of it.

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Should you be fighting targets with a decent amount of health (HM for example) the Deep Wound that triggers when you shadow step back is normally enough to kill your target coupled with the degen from poison inflicted. The build does what, 620-ish damage? I'm sorry, but against serious baddies that's no solo kill. Not to mention you're going to rely -completely- on your allies when Fang gets removed before you got your chain off. Of course they're undoubtedly leet enough to compensate, but it's a weakness that quickly annoyed me.

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15 Nov 2008 at 02:14 - 31

The build does what, 620-ish damage? I'm sorry, but against serious baddies that's no solo kill. Not to mention you're going to rely -completely- on your allies when Fang gets removed before you got your chain off. Of course they're undoubtedly leet enough to compensate, but it's a weakness that quickly annoyed me. Hex removal is not that common, it's PvE not PvP! Not only that but cover hexing from team mates is good. Plus you're forgetting the fact the target is quarter knocked so will unlikey remove the hex himself when you deal the spike (Why are you not targeting the Monk first?). Ideally the by the time you finish your spike the target should be dead anyway, just pointing out the benefits incase that isn't the case.

Also if you want deep wound in the bar earlier you can easily take Twisting Fangs over Blades of Steel, the obvious difference being less damage if you deliver your spike then teleport out if the target is still alive as Deep Wound is already inflicted.

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