Hey with all these builds coming out that use PvE skills its becoming a little too unrealistic to grind r10 titles for each and every character u have. (Asura, Norn, SS, LB, etc.) I want to play the game more not spend months grinding in order to. (QQ yes i know).
So heres my idea. Make the title EFFECTS account based, not the individual titles. (WTF does that mean???) Heres an example: lets say my warrior has r10 asura. if i log onto my ele or any other character that does not have r10 asura the skills effects will be as if they were r10 BUT there own individual asura title will still be whatever u got it up to be. Another example: if my ranger has r7 Norn and none of my other characters on my account have higher than r7 if i log on to any other character they norn skills will be as though they are r7 even though their own individual norn title is only like r5 or whatever lvl it is.
Again this is so you only have to grind once and then you are able to enjoy the game instead of having to jump on a dif prof to grind.
tell me what you think.
Title Effects but not title.
Spike Stritter
Jenn
/not signed.
In some builds where rank can make or break it, I can foresee a lot of idiots trying to pass for something higher than they are. In addition, I don't want to take less when I can expect to have more. And I think rep is easy enough to get that it essentially doesn't need to be made account-wide. If someone had to "grind" to get that rank, chances are they have at least some experience with that class. I don't want some assassin who just hit level 20 to join my team when someone else has earned r10 whatever and has been through the motions of doing whatever build and area.
(Since some people are going to cry like babies at what I said, suck it up. I'm speaking with what's relevant to this thread, not commenting on the ethics of using PvE-only skills, etc.)
In some builds where rank can make or break it, I can foresee a lot of idiots trying to pass for something higher than they are. In addition, I don't want to take less when I can expect to have more. And I think rep is easy enough to get that it essentially doesn't need to be made account-wide. If someone had to "grind" to get that rank, chances are they have at least some experience with that class. I don't want some assassin who just hit level 20 to join my team when someone else has earned r10 whatever and has been through the motions of doing whatever build and area.
(Since some people are going to cry like babies at what I said, suck it up. I'm speaking with what's relevant to this thread, not commenting on the ethics of using PvE-only skills, etc.)
Spike Stritter
i agree that that could be a problem but ususally you can see that a newb is a newb instantly and boot him.
but also my idea could bring abut more experienced ppl doing groups that use PvE skills(cryway,FoW,UW) etc. since they dont have to grind..me being a perfect example.
but also my idea could bring abut more experienced ppl doing groups that use PvE skills(cryway,FoW,UW) etc. since they dont have to grind..me being a perfect example.
majikmajikmajik
its title and character based for a reason, leave it.
Luminarus
I dont really think its that big a deal. The only problem I find with it is that my ranger isnt usable in most farm builds, since nowadays most are cryway. However, I dont have a mesmer with more then r7 SS, so my Cry is crap. I cant really participate in Cryway unless they need a ranger, or I have to make my mesmer that high. However, if I want to seriously do things with Cryway then taking the extra time to max SS so im effective isnt a big deal. Aslong as the shrines for completing areas go account wide I dont think this is necessary.
Oh and Fat, if you think that have r10 asuran/norn/vanguard etc makes a player good, ur wrong. You can max norn through HFFF, you can max asuran through Leeching, you can max dwarven from snowmen, none of these are hard, just time consuming.
Seriously what do you gain from maxing the title over r6 (which is piss easy to get). Most were scaled iirc to have max effect at r8, so ur usually lacking 1 second, 10ish damage, 1-2%, etc. The only time this was nuts was with ursan wen it was so braindead easy that everyone could succeed so grabbing r10 ursans just made it faster. And in those circumstances being an ursan made u no longer a (example) mesmer, so may as well just use the char with the maxed title.
Oh and Fat, if you think that have r10 asuran/norn/vanguard etc makes a player good, ur wrong. You can max norn through HFFF, you can max asuran through Leeching, you can max dwarven from snowmen, none of these are hard, just time consuming.
Seriously what do you gain from maxing the title over r6 (which is piss easy to get). Most were scaled iirc to have max effect at r8, so ur usually lacking 1 second, 10ish damage, 1-2%, etc. The only time this was nuts was with ursan wen it was so braindead easy that everyone could succeed so grabbing r10 ursans just made it faster. And in those circumstances being an ursan made u no longer a (example) mesmer, so may as well just use the char with the maxed title.
Konig Des Todes
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Hey with all these builds coming out that use PvE skills its becoming a little too unrealistic to grind r10 titles for each and every character u have. (Asura, Norn, SS, LB, etc.) I want to play the game more not spend months grinding in order to. (QQ yes i know).
So heres my idea. Make the title EFFECTS account based, not the individual titles. (WTF does that mean???) Heres an example: lets say my warrior has r10 asura. if i log onto my ele or any other character that does not have r10 asura the skills effects will be as if they were r10 BUT there own individual asura title will still be whatever u got it up to be. Another example: if my ranger has r7 Norn and none of my other characters on my account have higher than r7 if i log on to any other character they norn skills will be as though they are r7 even though their own individual norn title is only like r5 or whatever lvl it is. Again this is so you only have to grind once and then you are able to enjoy the game instead of having to jump on a dif prof to grind. tell me what you think. |
Second, Linsey has a title re-balance next week. Hold all suggestions until after this. The Grind is suppose to be reduced all around.
Third, against grind but against free stuff to those not willing to do the work.
oeg82000
/Signed
i want to use other chars too,not only 1 with maxed pve titles(what not maxed yet-i cant play 12 hours a day like some other guys,just hour or 2)
i want to use other chars too,not only 1 with maxed pve titles(what not maxed yet-i cant play 12 hours a day like some other guys,just hour or 2)
the Puppeteer
/signed for no more grind 
also you could make the text when you're pinging your title effect when its active - "I'm under the effects of rank 10 norn title" or smth like that
also you could make the text when you're pinging your title effect when its active - "I'm under the effects of rank 10 norn title" or smth like that
Xsiriss
/signed.
For the love of god yes,why do I need r10 asuran on my war when all the asuran skills are mainly spells?
For the love of god yes,why do I need r10 asuran on my war when all the asuran skills are mainly spells?
dasmitchies
/signed
Let Us see what happens with the rebalance next week. Titles, massive nerf batting, the whole concept may be moot as I am betting they ruin the game. AGAIN
Let Us see what happens with the rebalance next week. Titles, massive nerf batting, the whole concept may be moot as I am betting they ruin the game. AGAIN
Jenn
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Oh and Fat, if you think that have r10 asuran/norn/vanguard etc makes a player good, ur wrong. You can max norn through HFFF, you can max asuran through Leeching, you can max dwarven from snowmen, none of these are hard, just time consuming.
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Stupid Shizno
fat, your logic is flawed more then luminarus
this game is dead, meaning the skill creativity and build synergy is dead. everything is a gimmick making gimmick title farmers more in demand. when ursanway was strong, everyone was pretty much a newb. run in, spam skills, hope monks arnt dumb.
sounds like real pro exp players to me. anyone who bases skill of a mear title is indeed a scrub themselves fat
this game is dead, meaning the skill creativity and build synergy is dead. everything is a gimmick making gimmick title farmers more in demand. when ursanway was strong, everyone was pretty much a newb. run in, spam skills, hope monks arnt dumb.
sounds like real pro exp players to me. anyone who bases skill of a mear title is indeed a scrub themselves fat
crazybanshee
Meh it seems like people only come into this forum anymore to pick on everyone and act superior. Hence several of the above posters. I hope they address this title grind a bit but imho the eotn titles are among the easiest to max with the generous bounties and the handbooks. That 'type' of title does seem to work better as a toon based not an account based title. Same with the guardian and protector titles. Each 'person' on your account should have to do them if you want the benefit. Sucks that it affects the pve skills you get, but by the time you're done playing through eotn you should have a decent level on the title tracks for the skills you use. I find that you can easily be level 5 on any given eotn track by the end of the game just by playing through.
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/not signed.
In some builds where rank can make or break it, I can foresee a lot of idiots trying to pass for something higher than they are. In addition, I don't want to take less when I can expect to have more. And I think rep is easy enough to get that it essentially doesn't need to be made account-wide. If someone had to "grind" to get that rank, chances are they have at least some experience with that class. I don't want some assassin who just hit level 20 to join my team when someone else has earned r10 whatever and has been through the motions of doing whatever build and area. (Since some people are going to cry like babies at what I said, suck it up. I'm speaking with what's relevant to this thread, not commenting on the ethics of using PvE-only skills, etc.) |
I want uber titles for doing no work.
Xsiriss
Oh yeh another point, all HoM stuff is account based, so you don't need to get r10 of all titles for each char anyway.
Enix
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Lol. It's always people who go out on a limb to prove something wrong. YES people pay for services to get them ahead in all sorts of facets. Most don't. Stick with the majority here and you might be more credible. Most people who actually set out to get to r10 of each reputation do things like filling up books, not leeching (the verrry slow way). The reason I said they are more experienced than some scrub who just hit level 20 and want to play the game is because people who have earned those titles have played that character more extensively than just lvls 1-20.
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The point is that people have ALREADY ground out books to get to R10, as I have.
Either way, GW is supposed to be based on skill, NOT grind. The premise that grinding to R10/Level 20 means that you know how to play classes better is foolish (if you think otherwise, I suggest random PuGs). GW was supposed to be friendly to the casual gamer - requiring grinding to play with people who think they are "leetsauce" is silly.
NOBODY should be put in the position of passing over Guildmates who play occasionally for hardcore players they don't even know because their guildies are not rank x in whatever. Title descrimination is the worst thing to happen to GW ever.
pamelf
/signed. I think it was a sad day when titles had skill effects because it completely ostracises a huge portion of the player community who can no longer participate in certain aspects of the game because other players simply won't have them in the team.
This a way the game should never have gone in the first place, and anything that can be done to fix it gets a go ahead from me.
This a way the game should never have gone in the first place, and anything that can be done to fix it gets a go ahead from me.
The Meth
/signed. Argue over whether any 'skill' is needed to max a title if you want, but that's not the point. You can't say maxing a title 10 times over somehow makes you a better player then a person who has maxed it once. Still, lets wait and see what the weekend update will bring.
Also, nerf the PvE skills some please. The fact that imba pve skills are allowed to exist is half the problem.
Also, nerf the PvE skills some please. The fact that imba pve skills are allowed to exist is half the problem.
Clone
/Signed.... but only as an alternative to the more reasonable solution of just making the whole thing account based. Lets put an end to the Grind Wars
xukaiwen
My friend suggested a similar solution to me. Once you beat EotN on any character in hard mode, your asuran/norn/whatever points are shared with all your other characters that have beaten EotN in hard mode. That way, you are required to at least be good enough to beat EotN on that classto get the benefit of the points. That proves you just as good as anyone else who earned r10 (because that's what they did to get r10, most likely) and leaves off the grind of having to do the hard mode missions over... and over... and over. At least, you can do the missions over and over and over on different classes, reducing the boredom of the grind. Plus, this will help guarantee the person that has the r10 title on THAT class actually has beat the hm missions with THAT class.
So, for all you "skill" snobs, that gives the best determination of pve skill that I know of.
For those that are worried that this will take away from folks who earned r10 on two different characters old school, I don't really see what you are complaining about. Just make sure that all your friends know you did it the hard way. Then the grind is reduced. You then, get to go around, with your friends as witnesses, shouting, "I'm better than you! I did it the hard way! AND YOU CAN NEVER DO IT LIKE ME!!!!" Making it impossible for other people to be as "elite" as you only makes you more "elite." Of course, this doesn't work if you don't have friends to witness for you. But in that case...
Of course, you are right, The Meth, this is all moot because of the imminent update. But I still want to rant.
So, for all you "skill" snobs, that gives the best determination of pve skill that I know of.
For those that are worried that this will take away from folks who earned r10 on two different characters old school, I don't really see what you are complaining about. Just make sure that all your friends know you did it the hard way. Then the grind is reduced. You then, get to go around, with your friends as witnesses, shouting, "I'm better than you! I did it the hard way! AND YOU CAN NEVER DO IT LIKE ME!!!!" Making it impossible for other people to be as "elite" as you only makes you more "elite." Of course, this doesn't work if you don't have friends to witness for you. But in that case...
Of course, you are right, The Meth, this is all moot because of the imminent update. But I still want to rant.
xukaiwen
My friend suggested a similar solution to me. Once you beat EotN on any character in hard mode, your asuran/norn/whatever points are shared with all your other characters that have beaten EotN in hard mode. That way, you are required to at least be good enough to beat EotN on that classto get the benefit of the points. That proves you just as good as anyone else who earned r10 (because that's what they did to get r10, most likely) and leaves off the grind of having to do the hard mode missions over... and over... and over. At least, you can do the missions over and over and over on different classes, reducing the boredom of the grind. Plus, this will help guarantee the person that has the r10 title on THAT class actually has beat the hm missions with THAT class.
So, for all you "skill" snobs, that gives the best determination of pve skill that I know of.
For those that are worried that this will take away from folks who earned r10 on two different characters old school, I don't really see what you are complaining about. Just make sure that all your friends know you did it the hard way. Then the grind is reduced. You then, get to go around, with your friends as witnesses, shouting, "I'm better than you! I did it the hard way! AND YOU CAN NEVER DO IT LIKE ME!!!!" Making it impossible for other people to be as "elite" as you only makes you more "elite." Of course, this doesn't work if you don't have friends to witness for you. But in that case...
Of course, you are right, The Meth, this is all moot because of the imminent update. But I still want to rant.
So, for all you "skill" snobs, that gives the best determination of pve skill that I know of.
For those that are worried that this will take away from folks who earned r10 on two different characters old school, I don't really see what you are complaining about. Just make sure that all your friends know you did it the hard way. Then the grind is reduced. You then, get to go around, with your friends as witnesses, shouting, "I'm better than you! I did it the hard way! AND YOU CAN NEVER DO IT LIKE ME!!!!" Making it impossible for other people to be as "elite" as you only makes you more "elite." Of course, this doesn't work if you don't have friends to witness for you. But in that case...
Of course, you are right, The Meth, this is all moot because of the imminent update. But I still want to rant.
Shadowspawn X
/signed for reputation grind
/not signed for SS/LB
Rep grind is a far more difficultly level than SS/LB. SS/LB is a mild annoyance after 3 toons but rep grind is a complete brick wall.
/not signed for SS/LB
Rep grind is a far more difficultly level than SS/LB. SS/LB is a mild annoyance after 3 toons but rep grind is a complete brick wall.
The Meth
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/signed for reputation grind
/not signed for SS/LB Rep grind is a far more difficultly level than SS/LB. SS/LB is a mild annoyance after 3 toons but rep grind is a complete brick wall. |
Athrun Feya
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What are you smoking? SS/LB is FAR worse. The reputation titles you will have maxed or near maxed by the time you finish a full vanquishing of all areas + books from Hard Mode. SS you might barely get halfway doing the same in nightfall, while you would be lucky to get 1/4th of LB done.
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In general, pve titles don't show skill so much, mostly just time dedicated to the game which may (but doesn't always) corrolate with knowledge of the game.
/notsigned because they already changed the skills to favour those with lower titles (although i'm slightly sour about having to do EotN for the 4th or so time to get the 1 or 2 skills I might want, but I'll save that for another day).
Hyper.nl
Hm, I rather would say: Make all grind based titles (Killing monsters) account based rather than only the effects. (As suggested before)
Spike Stritter
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/notsigned because they already changed the skills to favour those with lower titles (although i'm slightly sour about having to do EotN for the 4th or so time to get the 1 or 2 skills I might want, but I'll save that for another day). |
If it was for that reason alone i would have /notsigned it myself most likely, but its because of the groups that require you to have r10 in w/e pve title there asking for.
I have gotten r10 everything on my warrior ive been through all the grinding. why should i have to do it all over again on another profession?
Floski
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Basically, it's a slightly watered down "MAKE TITLES ACCOUNT BASED".
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Athrun Feya
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Thats not what my main point is.
If it was for that reason alone i would have /notsigned it myself most likely, but its because of the groups that require you to have r10 in w/e pve title there asking for. I have gotten r10 everything on my warrior ive been through all the grinding. why should i have to do it all over again on another profession? |
Charlotte the Harlot
/signed but I think just making the titles and their benefits account wide would be better.
illidan009
I am a firm believer in the following Chinese proverb, "One acre plowed, one batch of rice gained." Sounds weird, but the people that actually grind HARD for those titles on every char. deserves more of a bonus...I by no means am an elitist or hardcore player, but those who choose to grind deserves more of a bonus than let's say me, who has only r5 Ebon...
TL
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The Meth
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I am a firm believer in the following Chinese proverb, "One acre plowed, one batch of rice gained." Sounds weird, but the people that actually grind HARD for those titles on every char. deserves more of a bonus...I by no means am an elitist or hardcore player, but those who choose to grind deserves more of a bonus than let's say me, who has only r5 Ebon...
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Tenebrae
/Not signed
Now those titles have almost the same effect on R7 than R10 , thats 2 fking books NM and 3 or 4 dungeons dammit . If u are so fking desperate for 3 sec more of Pain Inverter or the other shit , grind the title for god sake . Its so damn easy ; NM hero books till 90k ( yes , the last one when u have 78k ) and 3 full HM hero book + 1 Vanq zone .
Now those titles have almost the same effect on R7 than R10 , thats 2 fking books NM and 3 or 4 dungeons dammit . If u are so fking desperate for 3 sec more of Pain Inverter or the other shit , grind the title for god sake . Its so damn easy ; NM hero books till 90k ( yes , the last one when u have 78k ) and 3 full HM hero book + 1 Vanq zone .
Horus Nightlight
I agree with Tenebrae. And in fact, there really isn't too much of a grind either to get R8 in all the 4 EoTN tribal title tracks if you actually play the game and complete it all (dungeons and missions) in both normal mode once and hard mode once.
Additionally, I wonder if the real reason for the suggestion to have title effects account based did not actually stem from grinders wanting certain specific skills for their grinding builds on new characters?
Additionally, I wonder if the real reason for the suggestion to have title effects account based did not actually stem from grinders wanting certain specific skills for their grinding builds on new characters?