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crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

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08 Nov 2008 at 18:48 - 1

With the update coming next week, one stupidly grindy title I hope they'll address (but sincerely doubt it) is the cartography title. What? Nobody ever mentions it. I think once you get 100% (or greater

) exploration of a continent on one toon, and you finish that chapter on another toon, you should be able to pay a nominal fee (50k or so) and get all the outposts on that continent opened to your toon. It's just one annoying thing that you have to do if you have multiple toons on one account, run around and visit all the towns. In prophecies there's a horde of towns you never have to visit, and in factions and nf there's a bunch of towns you will not visit if you follow one side of the storyline, unless you make a point of going back and doing the other side. But, this would only work if you've got 100% exploration on at least one of your characters, and you finish the chapter on the character.

By doing it this way, it's not really unbalancing it or making it automatically give more points to gwamm hunters, as it's already becoming way too easy to get gwamm.

[Morkai]

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

Heroes of Elonia [HE]

W/Rt

08 Nov 2008 at 18:57 - 2

Haven't read it all. Title says it all.

No. Just no. It's an extremely easy extremely free title. Go enjoy the scenery.
You don't wanna grind? Don't do it.

Koudelka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

England

The Khaotic Empire (TKE)

Me/Mo

08 Nov 2008 at 19:18 - 3

It's not like wisdom or the reputation titles: rather than just points, the title affects the world map. Are you saying a new char should be able to map anywhere they like and instantly get leet stuff just because someone else has?

I agree that a lot of titles need to be made account wide: this is not one of them.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

08 Nov 2008 at 19:26 - 4

/not signed on the grounds that it seems rather silly to make suggestions about titles knowing full well that there are changes to titles coming within the week and no one knows exactly what all of those changes will entail.

I also agree with Koudelka, opening up the maps to undeveloped characters would screw up the system of character progression.

TrippieHippie89

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

Saegertown, PA

High by Nine [Bong]

Me/W

08 Nov 2008 at 19:28 - 5

well a big GG to both of you not reading the post

as for the title itself? i dont think it should be granted to another character, as for the outpost thing...i do like that idea but then again theres already something similar implimented into the game

go to a town, type in WTB run, plenty of all runner guilds, for missions, quests, and the old fashioned run(like proph)

hell, 50k ill run you through every town/outpost in proph and run you through the missions you need completed to get to the rof islands and such

Nazar Razak

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

08 Nov 2008 at 19:39 - 6

people who havent read the post: retards

/signed
on the condition that instead of a 50k fee, it is only available at level 20/ascension/finished last mission. Otherwise youd just have hundreds of level 1s with full elite armor :P

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

08 Nov 2008 at 19:41 - 7

While that doesn't sound unreasonable, it's not that hard to run from outpost to outpost in any location that matters that much.

Stupid Shizno

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

Madison, Wisconsin, USA

[eF]

Mo/

08 Nov 2008 at 19:41 - 8

sorry, but dumb idea

the point to cartograph is to show that your char has explored the whole map. not your account.

on a side note the only pve title i think should be acct based is guardian/protector. for the simple logic if you beat the mission already on a char, you have an understanding how the mission works even if your on a diff char, the experience from your char does infact transfer between chars since your playing them. you dont log on your main char then go on a lvl2 and say "hrm, i wonder what i do next, oh yea kill everything skip cutscene and kill more"

majikmajikmajik

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

SATown~Tx

Guild Hopper!

R/

08 Nov 2008 at 20:00 - 9

/notsigned
getting a max title for 50k is absurd. carto takes less then a day for ea game, its very easy and you dont need a build for it(let the henches do the work).

on a side note- the only titles that should be account based are--
Champion
Gamer
Gladiator
Hero
Lucky
Unlucky
Zaishen
Allegiance (Kurzick/Luxon)
Commander
Treasure Hunter
Wisdom

Which all of them are, execpt for the last 2 in which they will be next week.

oeg82000

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2008

Mo/

08 Nov 2008 at 20:08 - 10

I think what most of titles must be acc.based,but not:
1.survivor(funy to see chars lvl 1 with this title)
2.protectors
3.cartographer
4.skill hunter
All those must be done by each character
5.and maybe hero too(joke)

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

N/

08 Nov 2008 at 20:17 - 11

/notsigned

Cartography is an achievement title, which means it is one of the few titles that is only grind when you do it on multiple characters, which you don't need to do.

The closest to account based I'd agree to make cartography, would be the actual map, but no outposts. But even that kind of ruins the point of it being an achievement title.

Personally, I think that ANet should remove all titles except the Achievement Titles.

That means, only titles I support are:

Protectors
Guardians
Legendary Guardians
Survivor - needs a change to HFFF and Fronis dungeon
Cartographer
Legendary Cartographer
Skill Hunter
Legendary Skill Hunter
Vanquisher
Legendary Vanquisher
Legendary Master of the North
Legendary Defender of Ascalon - needs a rework though

And I would love to see these titles reworked into acting like Legendary Master of the North (that being, get Protector, Guardian, Vanquisher, Cartographer, and Skill Hunter for one continent and get Legendary Master of -title-, then all 4 would be Legendary Master/Savior or something of the like).

All others, remove, reduce grind, or account based.

wind fire and ice

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2008

There

[ToA]

08 Nov 2008 at 20:19 - 12

Okay,well.

Make it where you get the towns-but NOT the titles and it would be fine,otherwise no.

Elder III

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2007

Ohio

I Will Never Join Your Guild (NTY)

R/

08 Nov 2008 at 20:30 - 13

Not signed

Grand Master Cartographer is one of the few titles left that has any real prestige in it any more. So many titles are purchasable now (one way or the other). When I still played the game (just a couple months ago) - My Cartographer title was the only one that regularly got comments from random people. True hard core players generally respect the titles that take many many hours of devotion to aquire... getting that last 0.7% (esp without any text mods) takes some work.

my 2 cents

BlueNovember

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

WTS GW2 items for Zkey

Mo/

08 Nov 2008 at 21:29 - 14

Holy hell people.

=== READ WHAT HE IS SAYING ===

My god. Yes, the title was poorly chosen, but have the decency to read his post before knee-jerking into a "zomg no account based title" response.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OP

With the update coming next week, one stupidly grindy title I hope they'll address (but sincerely doubt it) is the cartography title. What? Nobody ever mentions it. I think once you get 100% (or greater ) exploration of a continent on one toon, and you finish that chapter on another toon, you should be able to pay a nominal fee (50k or so) and get all the outposts on that continent opened to your toon. It's just one annoying thing that you have to do if you have multiple toons on one account, run around and visit all the towns. In prophecies there's a horde of towns you never have to visit, and in factions and nf there's a bunch of towns you will not visit if you follow one side of the storyline, unless you make a point of going back and doing the other side. But, this would only work if you've got 100% exploration on at least one of your characters, and you finish the chapter on the character.

On topic, I'm neutral to the idea. I quite enjoy replaying the games on different professions/running toons to outposts in preparation for helping friends should they require it (I may as well get credit on a toon that hasn't done a mission if I'm helping someone through it). If I could unlock all the oustposts I'd lose some motivation to do that.

MStarfire

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

[SOS]

Rt/

08 Nov 2008 at 21:35 - 15

This is a HORRIBLE idea. I support maybe allowing your characters to by a completely unfogged map, but not at all allowing access to every outpost. Retarded idea.

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

08 Nov 2008 at 21:58 - 16

I think Arenanet should be censured for forcing all these poor people to grind for titles.
Just who the heck do they think they are demanding players get the titles for all characters.

Oh wait they don't actually force anyone they just created the titles and some people are so darned stupid they want to get every title on every character, but want it to be easy.

to the op
I know your just asking for one title but once one falls they all will and we will be buried under similar threads.

Get the title don't get the title its that simple.

oeg82000

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2008

Mo/

08 Nov 2008 at 22:10 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by MStarfire

This is a HORRIBLE idea. I support maybe allowing your characters to by a completely unfogged map, but not at all allowing access to every outpost. Retarded idea.

agreed with u.if change cartography to acc, based title,towns and outposts still must be unlocked as usually(do quests and misses).
ps.i have elonian carography title on monk,working on canta,and no way i go for this title on other chars.but wont mind if other chars get it too

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

E/

08 Nov 2008 at 22:20 - 18

Wow, you people fail at reading. I realize I picked a crappy title for my thread, but damn learn2read huh? By no means was this a way to get a max title on any toon, or make it account based, because AS I SUGGESTED YOU WOULD HAVE TO FINISH THE GAME FIRST and HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN 100% ON ANOTHER CHARACTER added to the fact that IT WOULD ONLY OPEN OUTPOSTS, NOT THE ENTIRE MAP thus not really affecting giving anyone a free title. Geez. Mods, please close this thread, guru /fails at life today.

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

08 Nov 2008 at 23:11 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazybanshee

Wow, you people fail at reading. I realize I picked a crappy title for my thread, but damn learn2read huh? By no means was this a way to get a max title on any toon, or make it account based, because AS I SUGGESTED YOU WOULD HAVE TO FINISH THE GAME FIRST and HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN 100% ON ANOTHER CHARACTER added to the fact that IT WOULD ONLY OPEN OUTPOSTS, NOT THE ENTIRE MAP thus not really affecting giving anyone a free title. Geez. Mods, please close this thread, guru /fails at life today.

I suggest you add some kind of bold header to your OP to clarify. You'll have to specifically shout at people that it's not a suggestion to make the title account based, or they won't hear it that way.

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

09 Nov 2008 at 00:07 - 20

Account based or not, opening cities to characters is a bad idea. In fact, people got banned for mapping others to cities they hadn't been to with the guild hall glitch in the past. Why? Because they didn't deserve to go there.

/unsigned

Da Rk Bl Ad E

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Belfast - Northern Ireland

D/W

09 Nov 2008 at 00:26 - 21

The way I see it is, your characters in guild wars aren't connected what so ever, right?

so errr how would it work?

/notsigned

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

09 Nov 2008 at 01:23 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazybanshee

Wow, you people fail at reading. I realize I picked a crappy title for my thread, but damn learn2read huh? By no means was this a way to get a max title on any toon, or make it account based, because AS I SUGGESTED YOU WOULD HAVE TO FINISH THE GAME FIRST and HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN 100% ON ANOTHER CHARACTER added to the fact that IT WOULD ONLY OPEN OUTPOSTS, NOT THE ENTIRE MAP thus not really affecting giving anyone a free title. Geez. Mods, please close this thread, guru /fails at life today.

You are correct I fail at reading what's in front of me, sorry about that.
Opening up towns and outposts not sure I don't see a downside to it or an exploit on the horizon but I probably haven't fully thought it through yet.

Luminarus

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

Haze of Light [pure]

R/

09 Nov 2008 at 02:06 - 23

/notsigned. Its not that difficult, all apart from mostly obscure towns you get simply by completing the story line. Also this would mean that getting run from ascalon to THK, through THK and killing the lich would open all of tyria... nty

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

09 Nov 2008 at 02:18 - 24

First off, I read (and understood) the whole OP before scrolling down to see everybody else hadn't. Does I get a cookie?

I'll /sign it for you. I like capping skills with guildies on all my secondary toons (main's got Legendary), so when they say they need for example, Practiced Stance, I'd say "sure let me hop on my ranger...shit, he's never been to Granite Citadel, why would he have been". Not only is it a money sink, but it's an actually useful money sink unlike almost all other ideas I've read here.

Also, an addition I would add is that unlocks outposts but doesn't unfog the map, that way cartography titles are still forced to earn.

Edit: leaving my last sentence to prove that I didn't really understand the whole OP. lol Totally agreed on it though.

RedStar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

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09 Nov 2008 at 02:43 - 25

/notsigned

If you are not having fun with PvE then go play PvP.
I mean, it's not like it's hard to finish a campaign...it may be annoying, but not everything can be fun.

And what's the point of having every outpost unlocked for a level 1 char ? to get power-leveled ?

And for all those towns like Granite Citadel, well it's fairly easy to get there in less than 15 mins.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

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bumble bee

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09 Nov 2008 at 03:20 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by wind fire and ice

Okay,well.

Make it where you get the towns-but NOT the titles and it would be fine,otherwise no.

/not signed to op idea
/not signed for towns either. bleh.

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

E/

09 Nov 2008 at 06:05 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelgadissan

First off, I read (and understood) the whole OP before scrolling down to see everybody else hadn't. Does I get a cookie?

I'll /sign it for you. I like capping skills with guildies on all my secondary toons (main's got Legendary), so when they say they need for example, Practiced Stance, I'd say "sure let me hop on my ranger...shit, he's never been to Granite Citadel, why would he have been". Not only is it a money sink, but it's an actually useful money sink unlike almost all other ideas I've read here.

Also, an addition I would add is that unlocks outposts but doesn't unfog the map, that way cartography titles are still forced to earn.

Edit: leaving my last sentence to prove that I didn't really understand the whole OP. lol Totally agreed on it though.

OMFG you do get a cookie. Thanks for understanding my post. I still don't understand why this thread is still open, since every idiot with a 1st grade reading level it posting to it.

Da Rk Bl Ad E

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Belfast - Northern Ireland

D/W

09 Nov 2008 at 09:18 - 28

rage more about bad ideas failing please

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

09 Nov 2008 at 15:08 - 29

That fills bad idea for the day quota.

Mordiego

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2007

Pozna??, UTC+1

We Are From Poland [Pol]

N/A

09 Nov 2008 at 16:44 - 30

do my eyes decieve me? gotta be kidding.
/not signed
complete bollocks

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

09 Nov 2008 at 22:24 - 31

honestly, I'm /signed on this. I think it's a good idea. I hate going over the same map over and over again just to get to an outpost I've already been to 8 or 9 times. Once a campaign is finished there's really no reason not to do this. It doesn't give you any bonuses as far as titles and gameplay is concerned, it just means that when a guildy calls for a mesmer to meet them in some obscure outpost to do something you won't jump up and say 'me me!' only to realize you don't have that outpost on your character.

Besides, if it's attached to the cartography title it means there's actually a practical benifit to a title for once. I really do think it's a good idea.

Clone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

10 Nov 2008 at 02:21 - 32

/notsigned It isn't that hard to get anywhere in the game, and I've seen enough low level characters in places they shouldn't be as is. I don't need a lvl 4 trying to get into a group for Thunderhead Keep.

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

10 Nov 2008 at 13:50 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Account based or not, opening cities to characters is a bad idea. In fact, people got banned for mapping others to cities they hadn't been to with the guild hall glitch in the past. Why? Because they didn't deserve to go there.

Says it all. Anet wants you to go through every little town with your new character to reach your favorite farming area. Hence the discouragement of runners by adding doors in factions, and the quick patching of the mentioned GuildHall glitch.

/notsigned

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

10 Nov 2008 at 14:08 - 34

Too much job when the HoM is already getting account-based.

SkekSister

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2008

Brighton UK

10 Nov 2008 at 14:23 - 35

Its not stupidly grindy at all. You never go to the same place twice thus there is no repetition and no grind as far as I am concerned. Opening it up to all characters would be a dumb idea too. How would getting a new character out of pre-searing, immediately to Hell's precipice map pin and completing the game for endgame items benefit the game in any way?
You'd just get even more players who have no idea how to play flooding the end game areas.

A bad bad idea.

/notsigned

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

10 Nov 2008 at 18:58 - 36

/not signed

If your toon has fog on his map its because you are not playing it. If you are not playing it put it out of its misery and delete it. Horrible idea.

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

10 Nov 2008 at 20:17 - 37

While we're at it lets just make EVERY title account wise. *sarcasm on*

If you don't feel like doing it the boring way just use texmod.

/notsigned btw

Sword Hammer Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Look up.

Kurzick Conflagration Unit [KCU].

W/

10 Nov 2008 at 20:42 - 38

agreed for the conditions that Nazar Razak pointed out. Only to finished last mission characters.

By the way whydo you call them toons instead of characters? :P

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

11 Nov 2008 at 00:48 - 39

/notsigned.

It is easy to complete a game on one character, easy to get 100% exploration on one character. I do not believe that this entitles other characters on that account to access parts of the game they shouldn't be able to access. If you start putting restrictions on this idea like, they have to have done x mission and x mission, then you may as well just have run the new character there themselves.

Most of the quests in the games take you to almost all of the outposts. While there are some in prophecies that you might miss because they do not tie in with quests I do not believe this is a good reason to endorse this idea. Not only are players likely to miss quests that are in explorable areas, they are also in general, unlikely to play the game and see the scenery.

I think people should be thankful that, unlike the more traditional MMOs (yes I know GW is not marketed as an MMO), GW does have a quick map option. In many other games the distance has to be walked every single time you want visit a city, or you must pay a ridiculous sum for other transport options.

Sword Hammer Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Look up.

Kurzick Conflagration Unit [KCU].

W/

11 Nov 2008 at 14:16 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazybanshee

OMFG you do get a cookie. Thanks for understanding my post. I still don't understand why this thread is still open, since every idiot with a 1st grade reading level it posting to it.

I read and signed for it too BUT WHERE'S MY COOKIE?? XD