*spoilers sort of*
This may have been talked about didn't see it anywhere. Anyway I finished EotN a long long time ago like many and didn’t think much of it. But then I just went back to watch the ending cinematic and noticed something kind of interesting.
When they get to Livia they show her out of everyone walking up to the syceptor of Orr(?) And the voice says "Sacrifices will be mad" it made it seem like Livia was going to sacrifice herself or something. Anyone know what it means because I may have missed or forgotten something.
Otherwise any idea what she was doing in the final sequence?
The Ending of EotN and Livia
natuxatu
BenjZee
to properly add to this topic, i recon it will have something to do with the war between the White Mantel and the Shining Blade
Xsiriss
You did actually watch the cinematic right? She shies away from it, the sacrifice is her resisting the staff and its power, that's the sacrifice.
Miss Puddles
i assumed it was referring to the "will she or won't she" subtext in that scene. all that power, but at what cost? :P
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[Morkai]
Probably will be explained in Gw2, as such, no info is known apart from that documented.
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Free Runner
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Otherwise any idea what she was doing in the final sequence?
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Ether way its basicly saying the Scepter of Orr will reappear in GW2. But dont expect a second Undead Lich as the Scepter of Orr has nothing to do with becoming a Lich.
Konig Des Todes
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I think you'll get better answers in the Druid's Overlook area of the forum.
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When they get to Livia they show her out of everyone walking up to the syceptor of Orr(?) And the voice says "Sacrifices will be mad" it made it seem like Livia was going to sacrifice herself or something. Anyone know what it means because I may have missed or forgotten something.
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Livia points out in the Epilogue that she is heading to Arah, the capital of Orr. She also asks the players about the Scepter of Orr during the starting cinematic for the G.O.L.E.M. mission.
What this exactly means is speculations but best guesses always link to Livia wanting to use the Scepter of Orr to protect Kryta and the Royal family from the White Mantle.
Of course there is a far out belief by 3 or so people that the "Mysterious Stranger" that is mentioned by Zinn is in fact Livia and that she searched for the Scepter of Orr because she believes the Royal Family is bad for Kryta - and prior to getting the Scepter of Orr she uses Golems. Complete baloney in my opinion with nothing to back it up.
Edit: Also what Free Runner said.
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Wasn't the Scepter left with the Lich at the end of Prophecies?
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Big_Daddy
Wasn't the Scepter left with the Lich at the end of Prophecies?
Gmr Leon
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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin
After killing the Lich, Glint takes the Scepter of Orr away in the cutscene.
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Grunntar
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Originally Posted by Free Runner
dont expect a second Undead Lich as the Scepter of Orr has nothing to do with becoming a Lich.
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Grunntar
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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin
the Staff of the Mists, the twin sister staff of the Scetper of Orr is mentioned in Nightfall - my guess was that it was a hint to the return of the Scepter of Orr which then turned into a hint of it's return in GW2
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MisterB
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And we know that for sure? I don't recall ever hearing how the Lich became a lich...
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Free Runner
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And we know that for sure? I don't recall ever hearing how the Lich became a lich...
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But if you can provide a good explanation on why he used the Scepter to change himself, sealed it away in a tomb, blew up Orr and then spent 2 years chasing down the Scepter, i'm all ears.
trickfred
Read pages 38-40 of the Prophecies manual. It describes what happened to the island of Orr, and it is heavily implied in the game lore (at least, that's what I took away from it), though not outright stated, that the Lich was once the Orrian King's advisor, and became the Lich when he cast the spell that inadvertently destroyed Orr.
Big_Daddy
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But if you can provide a good explanation on why he used the Scepter to change himself, sealed it away in a tomb, blew up Orr and then spent 2 years chasing down the Scepter, i'm all ears.
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Luminarus
I cant really remember, but now that you mention it its a couple of possibilities. I think its a matter of her using the staff to overpower the white mantle in their struggle for control of Kryta.
Either that, or shes gonna resurrect Orr which imo would be cool. Doubt it though.
Either that, or shes gonna resurrect Orr which imo would be cool. Doubt it though.
Free Runner
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Wasn't all this (what happened in Prophecies) and the fortune teller in Factions part of Abaddon's plan for coming back?
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Chasing down the Scepter to control the Titans was Khilbhrons plan to open the Door of Komalie and control the Titans with the Scepter to rule Tyria. As trickfed said its implied he became the Lich due to the Cataclysm.
This thread is starting to belong in Druids Overlook.
The Little Viking
I like the fact that in the end of EOTN they left SOOOOO much open for speculation. And I agree with Luminarus, the resurrection of Orr would be cool. I never paid all that much attention to the end scene, i did notice she had the scepter, but never thought much about it. But I will go back and replay them and this time pay more attention. Thank you for bringing this up.
Konig Des Todes
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And we know that for sure? I don't recall ever hearing how the Lich became a lich...
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The Staff of the Mists is actually part of the quest The Hallowed Point. It provides some good healing, which is useful in that zone. The Scepter of Orr, on the other hand, provides energy.
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Shasgaliel
I guess it will become cleared in the coming lore books. They would not put this part into the end cinematic if it was not important for the future.
Free Runner
Well the Scepter of Orr was one of many things that was not cleared up in EotN. So i would guess that the appearence of it at the end was just giving us clarification that it is indeed still around, despite its mysterious disappearence at the end of Prophecies and it could be jumping back into the story in the future.
Rick Thene
Here's a quote from one the NPCs at Hell's Precipice;
The Cataclysm magic turned him into the Lich, not the scepter.
That said, I can't really see how the scepter could be put to good use, considering that most of the Titans are dead or inaccessible after the Door of Komalie was closed and Abbadon's realm was given to Kormir.
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That said, I can't really see how the scepter could be put to good use, considering that most of the Titans are dead or inaccessible after the Door of Komalie was closed and Abbadon's realm was given to Kormir.
Sir Cusfreak
Also - Livia couldn't have hired Zinn. I can confidently testify that she never left my sight, she was with me the whole time.
