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germanturkey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

[PoW]

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11 Nov 2008 at 17:14 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

You mean apart from the fact that when most of us bought this game, we were told "One new chapter every six to twelve months"...

3.5 years. what have we gotten:
GW 1
factions 2
nightfall 3
gw:en .5

zomg, 3.5 "chapters" of content. and please, do you actually think "most" of the people who bought this game knew there was a promise for more content? i bought this game 3 and some odd months ago having NO knowledge of expansion packs or anything of that sort. i have a strong feeling i was in the majority, as 90% of people who play games aren't up to date with news.

the_jos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Hard Mode Legion [HML]

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11 Nov 2008 at 17:34 - 42

I don't see why enjoying something and complaining can't go together.

Let's focus on game mechanics, including skill changes for a moment, since you mentioned that.
I think there should be balance in a game. Balance means that someone skilled can achieve something while someone not so skilled can't achieve the same thing.
When this messes up the good players will leave the game, which in the end is bad for a game.

Now there is two kinds of complaints.
It's the 'not so good' that can't do what they like anymore.
Or it's the 'good' who see a change and the additional effects it has.
Simple, I've abused some skills and mechanics in the past because they were the most efficient. It's stupid not to do that.
However, the same tools gave unexperienced players almost the same power.
I don't mind players farming the entire UW, wrecking the economy or being able to get all their nice grinding titles.
What I do mind is teaming up with someone where at least some basic understanding of game mechanics is required to find out that their retard overpowered build got them there and not their skill.
And that's for both PvE and PvP.

Especially my former guild put a lot of effort developing players.
Team up with an experienced team, listen to tactics and why certain builds are used. And learn how to play on a somewhat higher level, not only a certain (team) build but a variation of builds. And why they work or don't work.

Nowadays things are different. Here you have your invincy build, don't understand it, just play it and you will get what you want in time.
And that's for both PvE and PvP.
This is bad for the game and specially past experiences in high-end PvE have proven this time after time.

That's the reason I complain from time to time, not because the game is bad but because the mechanics allow for things that don't improve skill.

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

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11 Nov 2008 at 17:41 - 43

/AGREE TOTALLY
Ive played the game nearly since the beginning and i'm still loving it. Its not very often ill still be playing a game from 3 and a half years ago (yes even prophecies is still played).

don't get me started on the other people aswell that say the Devs arn't listening at all etc. They don't even have to add extra content but they do. And when we do get something new peoplec complain.
Updating the game is something i think the team do very well, it keep it fresh. Skill updates may nerf particular skills but it allows us to be more creative and come up with the next big thing

Some people say certain staff members do nothing when we know perfectly well theres stuff outside the actual game. They do stuff we might not know about.
Theres the people who say Anet don't give us enough information. WE don't need this information, if they told us everything it kind of ruins any potential updates to the game (a somewhat element of surprise). You've got to understand that if Anet told us something then changed their mind last minute then theyre would be an uproar of people shouting "OMG ANET SUX THEY LIED ABOUT GIVIN US FREE ECTOZZ"

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

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11 Nov 2008 at 17:47 - 44

Because, as a race, people are miserable things that like to complain about how bad they have it. And if you're sitting on your butt in front of a computer, it's not like you can complain about the malaria you contracted or the fact you haven't eaten in three days. So you have to feel like the world is out to get you and you're the main character in your own tragic drama, you go on forums and complain about a video game.

And on a similar topic, thank you veterans for my freedom of speech.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

11 Nov 2008 at 17:54 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaic

Thanks, Avarre, for those of us without clairvoyant super-brains.

No problem, citizen!

But 'to be totally honest', most complaints stem from the fact that the potential of GW as a competitive game was immense and ANet completely threw that away in order to get more immediate cash from underwhelming expansions. ANet could make an amazing PvE game, but I for one would still be critical of what they had let die out.

Kyp Jade

Jungle Guide

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USA

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11 Nov 2008 at 18:08 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Negativity is cool. You'll never see cool kids be enthusiastic about anything.

As to why they apparently think ridiculous melodrama is cool I don't know, though.

Why a mod didnt say numa wins, and close thread I dont know.
also, Avarre gets close 2nd place

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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11 Nov 2008 at 18:14 - 47

I have a couple of saying that might apply:

the squeaky wheel gets the grease,

if someone is unhappy they will tell 2 friends, if they are happy they might not tell anyone (eg people are more likely to complain about a service/item/etc than praise it).

and from japan:

the nail thats standing up will get pounded down (the opposite of the wheel).

enjoy

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

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11 Nov 2008 at 18:14 - 48

If no one complains, nothing gets changed. For an extreme examples, Look at duping a year ago, prior to some people on guru actually figureing out exactly how it worked for anet, there were threads from people talking about insane offers they were getting and wondering if somethign fishy was going on undeadgunners 1200 armbraces for a panda comes to mind). Ultimately it came down to people complaining about duping (and two giving them exact intructions how it was done) that lead to anet taking some action. Another was 117 mallyx exploit. Pablo24 had reported the bug months b4, but until someone posted it on guru, nothing was done. Same with the name cloning, 6 month year old bug, didn't get fixed until the guru qq'ing began. Now I know these are exteme. But I think most complaints are about the same as the rits having exhaustion with their skills, which did get changed back with help of the massive complaints of it. Plus the pvp/pve skill spliting was another idea added because of the complaints of farm builds being ruined because of pvp (splinter weapon nerfs were alwasy justified with how OP is was in VoD)

nvmu

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

11 Nov 2008 at 18:29 - 49

we would love to move onto another game, however gw2 won't be out for a year yet atleast so...
(and when i say a year yet atleast i am guessing, i don't want to see flames about it will be out sooner or w/e)

nagmier

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2008

EKTL

N/Mo

11 Nov 2008 at 18:54 - 50

Free content? Lets not forget MOX and the GOLEM Book... among all the updated PvP Awards every month... (No I'm not a PvP Person Either) Thing is Anet isn't getting any more $$$ but they keep the servers up, they give us different bonus' weekends, all these things cost money yet they aren't getting any from us...

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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11 Nov 2008 at 19:06 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by germanturkey

3.5 years. what have we gotten:
GW 1
factions 2
nightfall 3
gw:en .5

Your math is a bit off in that since GW Phophecies was released at year 0, not 1 year after GW was released.

But still, A.net didn't "break their promise" since they specifically said they were stopping making new content after GW:EN, so you really only have to consider the first 2.5 years I mean, seriously, nobody should have expected GW to release 9 chapters. All things have a shelf life.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

11 Nov 2008 at 19:58 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floski

Don't complain about your country, you still live there so you obviously enjoy living there.

Depends on your money, how much interest and contribution you put towards your education and whether you're not afraid of going on a plane, boat or car. Hey, some people are.

Quote:

Don't complain about school, you still attend so you obviously love every aspect of it.

If you want to get anywhere in life, you have to do this. An education is basically needed to get around.

I personally hate where I live and the school I go to, but I might as well make the most of it because it's mandatory and forced upon me. I would go live on some sort of island and a school with lots of hot girls, but I can't. Guild Wars, on the other hand is completely optional and is only limited to you by the small sum of cash for the game. If you don't enjoy it, you don't have to do it. The things above, on the other hand are needed and need more looking into than some people think.

some-_1

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Reading, England

Zaishen Masters [ZM]

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11 Nov 2008 at 20:55 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenRgy

To all the players of Guild Wars, why are you complaining? You're still playing this game - so you obviously enjoy it. Unless you're a masochist, you're having fun.

Too many people crying about constant skill changes, which are necessary. The game is fairly easy, although it would be nice if my W/E Frenzy+wards for defense build was a little better in PvE.

You're not paying a monthly fee for a pretty decent game.

So, y'know - chill out.

There are always bound to be things in a game that people don't like, which is why they QQ. if GWs (or any game for that matter) could please everyone to the point they couldn't QQ then it would be the most popular game in exsistence and everyone would play it. people who don't like the game don't play it. Those who do play it can't honestly say they love every single aspect about the game. People are entitled to thier opinions, so let them have it. Stop QQ'ing just because someone doesn't like/agree somthing you do.

DoomFrost

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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11 Nov 2008 at 22:35 - 54

I only wish monk AI was gud. Eve is ftw. Everything else is meh.

Nude Nira

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

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11 Nov 2008 at 22:52 - 55

I wish I were back in grotto with zenrgy and emma, I wish I were back in grotto with zenrgy and emma...

Issac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Earthrealm

W/A

11 Nov 2008 at 23:32 - 56

I think it's time that we all grow up and handle this like adults lol. But ya some ppl complain way to much.

Cale Roughstar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Guy In Real Life [GIRL]

W/E

11 Nov 2008 at 23:35 - 57

OP gets a cookie.

Sometimes the level of QQ on these forums defies belief.

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

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11 Nov 2008 at 23:52 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

But 'to be totally honest', most complaints stem from the fact that the potential of GW as a competitive game was immense and ANet completely threw that away in order to get more immediate cash from underwhelming expansions. ANet could make an amazing PvE game, but I for one would still be critical of what they had let die out.

This is exactly it.

I do not want to play a fantasy MMO. And by this I mean what farazz is talking about. I do not want to play WoW, or War, or FFXI, or any of the others that I don't care enough to look up. If I wanted to play them, I would be playing them.

I do not want to play alone; why play an online game alone, there are console games? I do not want to team up with real people to take down mythical beasts and dragons; why subject myself to grinding and organizing my schedule around this when I can do exactly the same at my leasure on a console? I play for competing against other real people.

Guild Wars is the only game in the ballpark for a fantasy-rpg competitive game. Every other competitive game is RTS, FPS, Fighting games, cards, and few others.

Back when GW was first released and through the GWWC the game was much more fun to play than it is now.

That is why I complain.

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

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12 Nov 2008 at 01:31 - 59

I don't think you guys realize that all the QQ and all that is so that Anet can hopefully see it. There is so many QQ threads and stuff because people repeat the same things over and over and Anet doesn't actually look at it. I don't care about new content and stuff, I want the content we have now fixed. If QQing here helps, I'ma do it even If I get 9 posters immediatly telling me to stop crying and that Shadowform is fine.

I like to lurk here, but the sad thing is how eager everyone is to jump at each others throats for complaining. Sure, some stuff is stupid to complain about and I don't hold Anet to create a new area or something extreme every few months, but some skill adjustments here and there that take longer than 2 minutes to change would be really appreciated.

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

12 Nov 2008 at 01:43 - 60

I approve of everything out of Avarre in this thread (again).

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

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behind you

bumble bee

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12 Nov 2008 at 01:56 - 61

I think, in all honesty, Arena Net likes it very much when players discuss their game, in whatever form, positive or negative. When no one talks about a game anymore = don't care = game die.

Apollo Smile

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

[LORE]

E/Mo

12 Nov 2008 at 02:38 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by nagmier

Free content? Lets not forget MOX and the GOLEM Book... among all the updated PvP Awards every month... (No I'm not a PvP Person Either) Thing is Anet isn't getting any more $$$ but they keep the servers up, they give us different bonus' weekends, all these things cost money yet they aren't getting any from us...

Also Sorrow's Furnace, Design-a-Weapons, and the Bonus Mission Pack.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

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12 Nov 2008 at 02:51 - 63

How come players think you play this game on server instead of your own computer which is what you are doing.You aren't on a server all the time only in towns and outposts in explorables you are playing on your own computer or doing missions.

You can disagree wih a Moderator all you want or did you lose you consititional rights yes even on gaming forum you can disgree.It shouldn't get you banned.It will only happen if they are doing thier jop not being part of the community.

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

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12 Nov 2008 at 03:33 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

How come players think you play this game on server instead of your own computer which is what you are doing.You aren't on a server all the time only in towns and outposts in explorables you are playing on your own computer or doing missions.

You can disagree wih a Moderator all you want or did you lose you consititional rights yes even on gaming forum you can disgree.It shouldn't get you banned.It will only happen if they are doing thier jop not being part of the community.

Uh if you are in a instance with other players, how can that be done all on your own computer?

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

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12 Nov 2008 at 04:20 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenRgy

To all the players of Guild Wars, why are you complaining?

Are you serious? A society that does not critique is one that does not grow. It is in our best interest to always question rather than blindly accept. In the context of art, or in this case a game, one points out areas that could be improved, so that they will be improved, so that they might be improved, so that those who created it might consider addressing it on another iteration. No critique implies innate perfection, which is unattainable. You could debate that fact, but I assure you, perfection is at least not reached in a money-driven development cycle. There are things we can all find that could be improved in Guild Wars and its not "QQing" to discuss them. And you know what? The game has problems inherent in the model. Anet themselves recognized some and scrapped Utopia to work on GW2 instead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenRgy

So, y'know - chill out. Also Linsey is pretty cool for... still working on the GW team (which is probably composed of group of people enough to count on one hand) And Regina for bitching about us on her blog. Good read that.

Ah, well, you werent serious in the first place anyway.

ALF71BE

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2008

In your fridge, stealing your pickles. for mah subway

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12 Nov 2008 at 04:24 - 66

I love y'all, d00ds.

Nanood

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Supermans Crystal Palace

Legion Of The Dark Sun

12 Nov 2008 at 04:31 - 67

I suspect this a QQ thread

Or about others QQing.

Or QQing about all the QQing.

Either way no one cares so lets QQ about that.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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12 Nov 2008 at 04:34 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

How come players think you play this game on server instead of your own computer which is what you are doing.You aren't on a server all the time only in towns and outposts in explorables you are playing on your own computer or doing missions.

You can disagree wih a Moderator all you want or did you lose you consititional rights yes even on gaming forum you can disgree.It shouldn't get you banned.It will only happen if they are doing thier jop not being part of the community.

Umm... no just incorrect.
A) if you are playing with other players you obviously need to be communicating with them
B) if this wasn't how it worked, then the GW drop system could be hacked ala Diablo 2, and everybody would be able to spawn Crystaline swords to fall from the sky. Severs control drop rates, not your computer, otherwise, you could alter those files in your computer.

And disagreeing with a mod over a factually thing is fine. Arguing with them and calling them names is another (which didn't happen in this case). Oh, and you have no constitutional right of free speech when the organization trying to supress you is a non-state actor (trust me, don't believe me?, take an intro to poly sci class).

fenix

Major-General Awesome

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12 Nov 2008 at 06:44 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by faraaz

I paid money for this game after being promised a "free" online roleplaying game. Most industry standards for roleplaying games agree that there is a requirement for the provision of new and updated content with time, regardless of the company's decision to charge money on a monthly basis or not.

I refuse to behave as though Anet is doing me a great favour by allowing me to play their game after having purchased legitimately, copies of their game.

In summation, if you don't have a problem, good for you. Move over for the ones who do.

Who are you to wave your finger, so full of it. Eyeballs deep in muddy waters, f*ckin hypocrite.

Vallisahllirium

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

A/W

12 Nov 2008 at 07:13 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

When no one talks about a game anymore = don't care = game die.

Now lets make a thread where we can QQ how GW is dying/dead...oh wait, there already is one or probs more

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

12 Nov 2008 at 08:35 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

You can disagree wih a Moderator all you want or did you lose you consititional rights yes even on gaming forum you can disgree.

Singapore does not have constitutional rights.

Shasgaliel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

[bomb]

12 Nov 2008 at 08:45 - 72

I think people complain a lot cause for some that is more rewarding than playing the game.

Constant complaining gives the sensation of development and feeling of purpose.

Some nice quotations I found:

"Those who complain most are most to be complained of". - Matthew Henry

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most do." - Dale Carnegie

thor hammerbane

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Side of the Moon

Fat Kids Are Hard To Kid[nap]

12 Nov 2008 at 08:49 - 73

I thoroughly enjoy playing the game, but the fact is, it's been going down the shitter since factions came out. PvP and PvE are both broken beyond repair, but the game kills time..so..Let's go HA suckas!

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

12 Nov 2008 at 09:06 - 74

People complain on forums because they have an audience. Also, on the internet no one knows you are a moa bird. If it bothers you that the intertubes are clogged with whining, maybe you should gtfo.