Change Material Drops for End Dungeon Chests
jonathan23
Ever since the Voltaic Spear farming started happening, the prices for diamonds and onyx gemstones has dropped, making receiving them from other dungeon chests very unrewarding. Even if the V.S. farming run is nerfed, the market is already overflowing with these two materials, so the situation can not be corrected by a simple nerf of the run. I propose changing all the end dungeon chests to drop rare materials other than diamonds and onyx gemstones. Most of the dungeons require much time and committment to complete and getting a diamond and/or gemstone drop makes this process unappealing and thus unrewarding if I go through shards of orr and get a double drop of gemstones/diamonds, it makes me think "why did i just spend this time and energy doing this to get these weak drops that I could have gotten in a five minute v.s. run. Of course the slaver's exile chests SHOULD still drop diamonds and onyx gemstones, just all other end dungeon chests need to drop materials other than onyx and diamonds.
wind fire and ice
imo remove diamond/onxy drops period and make them drop from foes in fow,and maybe diamonds from some things in uw.
zelgadissan
I'm not necessarily against this but what would you add? Ruby, Sapphire, Diamond, Onyx? I'd be fine with that, but really only that list. If you get pissed with a double Diamond drop now, just imagine how pissed you'd be with a Steel Ingot and Leather Square drop from a dungeon.
I also like wind fire and ice's idea of just eliminating materials from the chest period.
I also like wind fire and ice's idea of just eliminating materials from the chest period.
Shayne Hawke
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Originally Posted by wind fire and ice
imo remove diamond/onxy drops period and make them drop from foes in fow,and maybe diamonds from some things in uw.
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Kung Foo Man Choo
^^ with him. If i complete my dungeon book, and get diamond/onyx gems from each dungeon then I have the ability to craft destroyer weapons that are EOTN exclusive and what EOTN is about (Destroyers attempting to take over) so it would be necessary for diamonds/onyx to drop from chests.
It is not A-Nets fault that people find farming ways that inflate Guildwars with the materials...
It is not A-Nets fault that people find farming ways that inflate Guildwars with the materials...
wind fire and ice
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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke
I don't think that would make much sense, since Diamonds and Onyx are only really used in the expansion, so they should be obtainable from the expansion.
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Onxy and Diamond already drop in fow(i think..know onxy does,not soo sure on diamond) and diamond can be made in vabbi and also drops some there and from hm bosses,so its still possible to get,removing it from dungeons and adding it to fow/uw drops like rubies/sapphires are droping from random monsters there would put them around the same as rubies/sapphires.
So,removing them from dungeons wouldnt hurt them,destroyer weapons need to go up in cost any ways,and it would fix the problem of toomany worthless drops.
If you want them possible to get in eotn,there could be a dungon split,high end and low end dungeons.
Make CoF,snowman(though it drops christmas items there could be a small chance for diamond/onxy i guess),ooze pit and any other really easy/fast ones"low end" and make others high end,lowend drops gems high end dosent,makes sense to me.
zwei2stein
Why would destroyer weapon cost need to go up? Any particular reason?
wind fire and ice
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Why would destroyer weapon cost need to go up? Any particular reason?
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The crafter should also be changed so you can only access him after each time you beat duncan,so theres work put into destroyer weps.
Too late for any changes like that though really.
Konig Des Todes
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Originally Posted by wind fire and ice
Onxy and Diamond already drop in fow(i think..know onxy does,not soo sure on diamond) and diamond can be made in vabbi and also drops some there and from hm bosses,so its still possible to get,removing it from dungeons and adding it to fow/uw drops like rubies/sapphires are droping from random monsters there would put them around the same as rubies/sapphires.
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Making Onyx and Diamonds like Rubies and Sapphires would be the best choice - that is removing them from dungeon chests (keep the FoW/UW chest drop for gems) but making them a small chance to drop from all enemies. Also include Onyx with the Trade Contracts.
While add it, let's add in Emeralds, Topaz, and Amethyst. And add in 3 new weapon crafters. One in Underworld (Eternal Weapons), one in Urgoz/Deep (Warden/Nightmare Weapons), and one in Dragon's Gullet that appears after completing The Titan Source (Titan Weapons). These new crafters would craft weapons that would go into the HoM, and use the (then) seven gems, along with various common materials.
Or, we can go the lazy way, and just do the first part - leaving the HoM unbalanced with weapon options (everyone may have EN to get the HoM, but not everyone likes Destroyer Weapons and has Nightfall to replace some with Tormented).
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Why would destroyer weapon cost need to go up? Any particular reason?
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crazybanshee
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Originally Posted by wind fire and ice
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Reverend Dr
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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke
I don't think that would make much sense, since Diamonds and Onyx are only really used in the expansion, so they should be obtainable from the expansion.
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Dr.Jones
i disagree. if they nerf it the prices will go up see the perma sin nerf before they did it ectos fell to almost 2k each then they nerfed it and now the price is right back up to where it was before.
Konig Des Todes
Wait, what? They nerfed the Perma-SF? How come I didn't know of this?
Oh right, prices went up because Favor went out, Ursan got nerfed a while ago, and the essence got nerfed, so people bought a ton of Ecto expecting them to go back to 12k like idiots and wasted about 10k waiting for the ectos go to higher up, which will never happen.
SF didn't get nerf, Perma sin is SF. Essence got nerfed, get your facts straight.
End of the world theory only takes a price on those who take "initiative to make a gain" because if people stay calm/don't do anything different, nothing will happen.
Oh right, prices went up because Favor went out, Ursan got nerfed a while ago, and the essence got nerfed, so people bought a ton of Ecto expecting them to go back to 12k like idiots and wasted about 10k waiting for the ectos go to higher up, which will never happen.
SF didn't get nerf, Perma sin is SF. Essence got nerfed, get your facts straight.
End of the world theory only takes a price on those who take "initiative to make a gain" because if people stay calm/don't do anything different, nothing will happen.
Keira Nightgale
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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones
i disagree. if they nerf it the prices will go up see the perma sin nerf before they did it ectos fell to almost 2k each then they nerfed it and now the price is right back up to where it was before.
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the Puppeteer
I like my destroyer weapons for filling HoM nice and cheap tyvm 
Keira Nightgale
Honestly there is no point for destroyer items to be compared with tormented in price. Eotn has a large number of dungeons, while doa is just one huge Area. Of course you're supposed to get mats for destroyers way faster than tormented gemstones. To that add that removing diamonds from chest drops wouldn't be fair to the ppl that still have to craft their items.
Dr.Jones
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Originally Posted by Keira Nightgale
What are you smoking, chaos plains farm affected ecto prices by what? 200gp? Ectos were 5K ages before the SF buff. A handful of players wishes for ecto to go back to 10k ( ironically these are the same people that got large stacks of them due to the merchant reset ages ago) , that will never happen. A-net had various occasion to nerf/kill SF, they didn't do it, at this point we can assume no more SF nerfs will come. You know what, skill balances aren't done to fix "the economy", Anet couldn't care less about that. These occasional fixes were/are done because some things are/were ridicolous (20 minutes/10 ectos chaos plains farms etc). Besides Regina stated the celerity fix wasn't done in order to affect the UWSC, but because the item was indeed overpowered even compared to other consumables.
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Keira Nightgale
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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones
I am talking about before sf had the "you do less damage" nerf before that happened ectos were around 2k then they added that and other changes and the price went back up to 5k.
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Due to UWSC ectos farming is more intense than before, but ecto prices are still the same. They will be stable as long as people craft fow/use them as currency.
illidan009
I hate to say this, but
QQ MOAR.
Onyx and diamond prices really haven't dropped significantly...nothign like 14k---4k for example.
QQ MOAR.
Onyx and diamond prices really haven't dropped significantly...nothign like 14k---4k for example.
Winterclaw
I say replace oynx and diamonds with a stack of ectos. 
jonathan23
lol, i just think a change is in order. Taking the diamond/onyx out of the dungeon chest drops is a good idea, but adding in monsterous fangs, rubies, ecto, sapphires is a good idea too. Destroyer wepons used to be hard to get because you had to spend time to get the diamonds/gemstones to get them, now they are easy to get.
Shayne Hawke
I'm curious now as to why you all think the prices have dropped. Have they been cast as an unwanted product of farming dungeons? Are they just too easy to obtain?
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke
I'm curious now as to why you all think the prices have dropped. Have they been cast as an unwanted product of farming dungeons? Are they just too easy to obtain?
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AKA, you can't do anything to raise their price really.
distilledwill
Or at least make these two materials more useful. Atm its just for ugly ass destroyer weapons. SNOREZVILLE.