fixing PvX discordway

I like [life] for [spirit light] and [mend body and soul] Seconding this because without a spirit, you're relying on less efficient heals basically.

Okay, so continuing...

Caller:
[Assassin's promise][you move like a dwarf][finish him][optional][optional][optional][optional][optional]
Bomber:
[discord][signet of lost souls][animate bone minions][death nova][foul feast][infuse condition][protective spirit][aegis]
Resto:
[discord][signet of lost souls][putrid bile][protective was kaolai][weapon of warding][optional][optional][optional]
Curser:
[discord][signet of lost souls][putrid bile][meekness][barbs][enfeebling blood][rip enchantment][animate bone minions]

Okay, several questions:
1) To res or not to res? I generally don't take res on my heroes, mostly out of principal.
2) What should the resto bar be? I usually don't take life, since heroes are stupid with it and makes them slow and I don't like micro-ing.
3) Any essential skills missing? you are using [foul feast] and [infuse condition] just to get rid of conditions in PvE? IMO you're wasting 2 skill slots on that necro. You're better off bringing spirits + mend body and soul on the n/rt. I'll swap [rising bile] with [foul feast] and a hex removal with [infuse condition].

I like [[life] for [[spirit light] and [[mend body and soul]/ Okay, I can live with that.

Also, to everyone else, it's pretty obvious that were not going to get everyone to agree on which bar is the "best" so let's agree to find a bar that is at least "decent" in everyone's opinion. Then we can suggest a bunch of optionals/variants.

For example, personally, I don't take life/spirit light, since I hate microing spirits, but I can see that it is at least a decent option.

you are using [foul feast] and [infuse condition] just to get rid of conditions in PvE? IMO you're wasting 2 skill slots on that necro. You're better off bringing spirits + mend body and soul on the n/rt. I'll swap [rising bile] with [foul feast] and a hex removal with [infuse condition]. I disagree with rising bile; things die too fast for it to be useful, and it has a long recharge. For hex removal, convert hex?

Actually, it is the most effective for paragon too. The only class that it isn't is maybe warrior, but I don't know since I haven't played it with warrior. Generally speaking, AP-caller is the best possible build for the player. The fact that paragons only have 2 pips of regen is meaningless because AP is like 15 pips and paragons have lots of built in e-management due to leadership. No it is not. Using SY is more effective than that build because of +100 armor near invincibility for everyone in the team.

AP's strength is in skill recharge which is useless for SY since it recharges only if you have the adrenaline.

And you dont need 3 conditions, you only need one to activate discord. Discord is the main damage skill, all you need from your Paragon is the awesome invincibility which you are missing out of.

Caller:
[Assassin's promise][you move like a dwarf][finish him][optional][optional] One of my biggest issues with running PvX Discordway is that some professions just don't handle certain roles that well, and the general template is no exception. It sucks. Don't even make one. Just advise everyone that they have at least one hex and condition to apply.

[[Finish Him] doesn't make sense for causing the conditions, unless you're just fighting a boss. [[You Move Like A Dwarf] is slightly more sensible in general, but expensive. The only ones I'd picture needing it is something like a Monk or Rit that don't have other good means for inflicting conditions. [[Assassin's Promise] is just silly as a general elite. Melee professions should bring [[Asuran Scan] for an effective hex.

Just as a general idea, here's what I might suggest for a Ranger:

[build prof=R/X][Broad Head Arrow][Distracting Shot][Savage Shot][Apply Poison][Asuran Scan][optional][optional][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build]

I'll leave constructing the heroes' builds to people more understanding of those roles.

One of my biggest issues with running PvX Discordway is that some professions just don't handle certain roles that well, and the general template is no exception. It sucks. Don't even make one. Just advise everyone that they have at least one hex and condition to apply.

[[Finish Him] doesn't make sense for causing the conditions, unless you're just fighting a boss. [[You Move Like A Dwarf] is slightly more sensible in general, but expensive. The only ones I'd picture needing it is something like a Monk or Rit that don't have other good means for inflicting conditions. [[Assassin's Promise] is just silly as a general elite. Melee professions should bring [[Asuran Scan] for an effective hex.

Just as a general idea, here's what I might suggest for a Ranger:

[build prof=R/X][Broad Head Arrow][Distracting Shot][Savage Shot][Apply Poison][Asuran Scan][optional][optional][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build]

I'll leave constructing the heroes' builds to people more understanding of those roles. That makes sense. Stating that AP is the best elite for every single profession in the game, in most situations, is just not going to be convincing. Better not to post a caller template, than one that you have problems defending for all classes.

Curser should drop minions, bring shadow of fear instead of meakness. Resto rit can be either recovery/ life spirit and the typical heals they bring mend body and spirit light. Minion bomber I prefer prot spirit and aegis just like original sabway bomber because it's useful in any situation. Another post that makes sense. We are not saying it sucks because we are being antagonistic. Most of the suggestions so far are good.

Barbs support Discord and amplify minion damage at the same time. Enfeebling blood would be useful in case your minions are not up yet or they are killed by AoE, or not enough corpses in that area, etc. You only need 1 MM minion bomber. You dont need so much dependence on minions so your build would not suffer even in low corpse areas.