So I cleared Morning Veil Falls HM with the Blessing of the Luxons active. At vanquish, I had accumulated 5970 Luxon faction - and I got the reward of 21800 Kurzick faction!!!
Hmm, this seems like an oversight to me, if not an outright bug - the faction should match the blessing you have active, not the area (besides, the area was taken over by Luxon).
FWIW, this seems like great faction for a bit over an hours worth of work... (Will take longer if you miss that oddball wanderer, but I got lucky).
Guess I change the guild faction for 500g...
EDIT: The Luxon 'scavenger' wouldn't give me alliance rep, but would sell me the 1/2 rep jadeite shard... This is messed up, I have no choice but to change alliance now.
Luxon/Kurzick faction vanquish oversight?
Coney
ALF71BE
Yep, had this same problem just today while doing The Eternal Grove explorable. I was quite dissapointed for receiving 25k Kurzick faction.
Fortunately, the luxon rewards guy would sell me luxon skills (on other toons) so I just had to waste 2k luxon faction out of the 8k.
But you can't really say this is a bug, maybe it's working as intended.
Wonder what happens with Unwaking Waters?
Fortunately, the luxon rewards guy would sell me luxon skills (on other toons) so I just had to waste 2k luxon faction out of the 8k.
But you can't really say this is a bug, maybe it's working as intended.
Wonder what happens with Unwaking Waters?
Stuart444
When I read the update notes, I thought it would be based on the area you're in.
Daedra Deinheart
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Yep, had this same problem just today while doing The Eternal Grove explorable. I was quite dissapointed for receiving 25k Kurzick faction.
Fortunately, the luxon rewards guy would sell me luxon skills (on other toons) so I just had to waste 2k luxon faction out of the 8k. But you can't really say this is a bug, maybe it's working as intended. Wonder what happens with Unwaking Waters? |
Jensy
This isn't an oversight. You've always received Kurz points for Forest locations, and Luxon for Jade Sea. This was true before the bigger bonuses we have now. The priests need to be either killed or bribed so you can get *any* bonus, if they aren't from your alliance at the time you're out there.
Um, how does this need explaining? O___O
Um, how does this need explaining? O___O
gameboyguy13
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Wonder what happens with Unwaking Waters?
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Kook~NBK~
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Originally Posted by Stuart444
When I read the update notes, I thought it would be based on the area you're in.
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I was disappointed to find out that there is no faction bonus at all for Pongmei Valley, just the normal faction for kills.
TurinPT
A 200 foe vanquish yesterday = +10k faction
a 180 foe vanquish today = +18k faction
The weekend event is doubling the faction reward at the end.
a 180 foe vanquish today = +18k faction
The weekend event is doubling the faction reward at the end.
Enko
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Originally Posted by pansy malfoy
This isn't an oversight. You've always received Kurz points for Forest locations, and Luxon for Jade Sea. This was true before the bigger bonuses we have now. The priests need to be either killed or bribed so you can get *any* bonus, if they aren't from your alliance at the time you're out there.
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the vanquishing reward is probably dependent on location
Fates
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Originally Posted by TurinPT
A 200 foe vanquish yesterday = +10k faction
a 180 foe vanquish today = +18k faction The weekend event is doubling the faction reward at the end. |
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Keira Nightgale
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Originally Posted by Enko
umm that's actually wrong. if the kurzick/luxon line was pushed far enough, you could get luxon faction in kurzick areas from blessings. it depends on who owns the town and what blessing you get.
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HawkofStorms
The update notes are pretty explict on how it works. It says Jade sea givens Luxon faction. Forest gives kurzick faction. It doesn't say "areas controled by faction x now give faction x" Doubt it's a bug when its working as intended.
While kinda, strange, it is fair. Only down side is now I have to wait until the kurzicks have control over their own territories before I vanquish them (it would be silly to do so now as it would be counterproductive). Of course, making people actually CARE about the faction line more is a good thing. Nobody in GW ever really cares who controls the areas before now. Giving us more incentive to want to push people back so we can vanquish and get all of our faction for one side is a good thing because it encourages competition.
While kinda, strange, it is fair. Only down side is now I have to wait until the kurzicks have control over their own territories before I vanquish them (it would be silly to do so now as it would be counterproductive). Of course, making people actually CARE about the faction line more is a good thing. Nobody in GW ever really cares who controls the areas before now. Giving us more incentive to want to push people back so we can vanquish and get all of our faction for one side is a good thing because it encourages competition.
Parson Brown
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Of course, making people actually CARE about the faction line more is a good thing. Nobody in GW ever really cares who controls the areas before now. Giving us more incentive to want to push people back so we can vanquish and get all of our faction for one side is a good thing because it encourages competition.
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fenix
Not an oversight. It's the same as EOTN, do you REALLY expect to get Asura points while vanquishing Dadala Uplands? This you just get a reward at the end based on the area that you're in.
Stop complaining about something so blatantly obvious.
Stop complaining about something so blatantly obvious.
HawkofStorms
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Yeah, just like when Underworld/FoW access was controlled by who was holding the Hall of Heroes. Everyone loved that!
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*Rolls eyes* Bad metaphor is bad.
Because the rarest, most valuable items (at the time favor was like that) in the game only drop when you can vanquish Kurzick/Luxon territory when you area has control. Right... its exactly the same. /sarcasm
Parson Brown
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
*Rolls eyes* Bad metaphor is bad.
Because the rarest, most valuable items (at the time favor was like that) in the game only drop when you can vanquish Kurzick/Luxon territory when you area has control. Right... its exactly the same. /sarcasm |
Lame overused netfad is lame
But seriously, who would knowingly vanquish a zone when the bounty faction will negate the bonus faction (or vice-versa). Of course, nothing is stopping someone from vanquishing the zone, and there are other zones to vanquish, so this isn't really too big of a deal, but I can see where it is annoying.
Kook~NBK~
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While kinda, strange, it is fair. Only down side is now I have to wait until the kurzicks have control over their own territories before I vanquish them (it would be silly to do so now as it would be counterproductive). Of course, making people actually CARE about the faction line more is a good thing. Nobody in GW ever really cares who controls the areas before now. Giving us more incentive to want to push people back so we can vanquish and get all of our faction for one side is a good thing because it encourages competition.
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In the grand scheme of things, being limited in your choices by where the battle line is isn't too much worse than being limited to the 5 or 6 areas avalaible to get the vanquish bonus on either side when the line is clear over in the opposing territory. What I'm trying to say is, that doing the vanquish thing to farm faction will get monotonous in the near future no matter how many areas are avaliable at any given time.
FoxBat
Having the faction bonus depend on your priest would be more interesting though - for one, die-hard luxons could vanq kurzick areas for a change of pace if the line is pushed up that far, and vice versa.
Turbobusa
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Originally Posted by fenix
Not an oversight. It's the same as EOTN, do you REALLY expect to get Asura points while vanquishing Dadala Uplands? This you just get a reward at the end based on the area that you're in.
Stop complaining about something so blatantly obvious. |
Frontier was deep kurzick this morning, those areas were luxon at the time.
You don't see asura invade dadala uplands.
That doesn't make any sense that kurzicks reward you for clearing an area they're not in charge of.
I think the frontier should have that kind of role instead of just being an annoyance when you want to buy some armor.
Kashrlyyk
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Doh?
Frontier was deep kurzick this morning, those areas were luxon at the time. You don't see asura invade dadala uplands. That doesn't make any sense that kurzicks reward you for clearing an area they're not in charge of. I think the frontier should have that kind of role instead of just being an annoyance when you want to buy some armor. |
Turbobusa
I want it to be logical.
Your government does not reward foreign people in foreign countries for good actions that will only benefit this foreign country.
It would not be more of an annoyance since anyway when a zone has been invaded priests are remplaced with the faction-owning ones. You get the faction-owning blessing. But you are rewarded by the opposite faction at the end?
Your government does not reward foreign people in foreign countries for good actions that will only benefit this foreign country.
It would not be more of an annoyance since anyway when a zone has been invaded priests are remplaced with the faction-owning ones. You get the faction-owning blessing. But you are rewarded by the opposite faction at the end?
Um Yeah
On a similar note, I just got 3k kurz faction for completing Gyala because Leviathan Pits is owned by kurz.
Edit: Actually nevermind, it seems the game gave me 3k lux but said it gave me kurz.
Edit: Actually nevermind, it seems the game gave me 3k lux but said it gave me kurz.
Striken7
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I want it to be logical.
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That's news to me.
cataphract
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Yeah, just like when Underworld/FoW access was controlled by who was holding the Hall of Heroes. Everyone loved that!
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But then again, I was playing on European servers.
pumpkin pie
Now if we can have blathazar factions for playing in the Dragon's Throat's Challenge mission, it'll be perfect hehehehe
Phineas
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Getting Kurzick faction for vanquishing a Kurzick territory (which it is and always will be) is illogical now?
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If an area in the jade sea is kurzick controlled when you enter the map, there will be a kurzick priest to greet you and offer a kurzick bounty for kills. When you then go on to vanquish the map you are given a luxon faction bonus which negates some or all of the kurzick faction you just spent an hour or so earning.
Thus, it would be best for players to wait until the area they wish to vanquish is controlled by the kurzicks, if it's in the forest, or the luxons, if it's in the jade sea. Vanquishing at any other time will result in faction being wasted.
Tradedaro
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Vanquishing at any other time will result in faction being wasted.
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Now this thread seems to have died but have there been any official replies to this issue?
Mervil
Another month later...
Agreed! You should get vanquishing reward based on who controls the territory/outpost.
I think this is actually a much needed change, as the allegiance rank is still pretty hard to accomplish. If Im Kurzick working for allegiance and vanquishing titles, it would be very nice to win a bunch of ABs, push the Kurzick/Luxon line over into Luxon territory, and be able to vanquish those Kurzick-controlled-Luxon areas and receive Kurzick points. In fact, it would be SUPER nice to be able to do that for all territories. But, that would mean implementing some way for the Luxons to have access to Arborstone (vanquishing must be done from Altrumm Ruins) when the AB map is at The Ancestral Lands and for Kurzicks to have access to Boreas Seabed when the AB map is at Kaanai Canyon. (All other territories can be accessed by the opposing faction from outposts when the opposing faction controls them).
Come on ANET. Please!
Agreed! You should get vanquishing reward based on who controls the territory/outpost.
I think this is actually a much needed change, as the allegiance rank is still pretty hard to accomplish. If Im Kurzick working for allegiance and vanquishing titles, it would be very nice to win a bunch of ABs, push the Kurzick/Luxon line over into Luxon territory, and be able to vanquish those Kurzick-controlled-Luxon areas and receive Kurzick points. In fact, it would be SUPER nice to be able to do that for all territories. But, that would mean implementing some way for the Luxons to have access to Arborstone (vanquishing must be done from Altrumm Ruins) when the AB map is at The Ancestral Lands and for Kurzicks to have access to Boreas Seabed when the AB map is at Kaanai Canyon. (All other territories can be accessed by the opposing faction from outposts when the opposing faction controls them).
Come on ANET. Please!
FengShuiDove
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What he said
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The rewards are fine. If you want Faction gain, Vanquish something in the Jade Sea. If you want title, Vanquish what you need for title and buy Amber or Kurzick skills. After all, at r4 you can put it in your HoM, I see no reason not to do both sides eventually.
BenjZee
I know this isnt sardelec but this reminds me of an idea i had. You should get mroe faction in AB depending on who controls the towns and how far the line is in your territoy.
Lycan Nibbler
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Exactly.
Now this thread seems to have died but have there been any official replies to this issue? |
LOL, you joke right?? you need an active CR to get an official response. the only thing the current one seems to do is post what she is told to and then respond to that - at least thats my view.
Lycan Nibbler
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Is fail. If the line is far enough that the Luxons occupy Kurzick territory, then *temporarily* it benefits the Luxon empire to Vanquish that particular area. However, it is still in the Kurzick lands, and also benefits them.
The rewards are fine. If you want Faction gain, Vanquish something in the Jade Sea. If you want title, Vanquish what you need for title and buy Amber or Kurzick skills. After all, at r4 you can put it in your HoM, I see no reason not to do both sides eventually. |
It seems like a reason reward for pushing the other competitor back, to be able to vanquish an area and get a Luxon reward.
The basic fact is that you should not gain faction for both sides by VQ an area. If the Luxon preists are at the shrines, then it should be Luxon for the "WHOLE" VQ and likewise if its a Kurz priest.
FengShuiDove
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The basic fact is that you should not gain faction for both sides by VQ an area. If the Luxon preists are at the shrines, then it should be Luxon for the "WHOLE" VQ and likewise if its a Kurz priest.
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http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vanq...chovald_Forest
"Echovald Forest (also known as the Petrified Forest) is the home of the Kurzicks on Cantha."
Likewise
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vanquisher#Jade_Sea
"The Jade Sea is the homeland of the Luxons."
Don't see anything about the line defining whose "homeland" either side is.
On top of that, do we really need another reason for hatred between the two sides? AB is already constantly riddled with "stfu kurzdongs" and "gtfo fuxons." The last thing AB needs is more 8 year old kids whining.
I stand by the logic in my first post.
Lycan Nibbler
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I stand by the logic in my first post.
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Personally, I always switch off local when going to AB, so I dont see the 8 yr olds
(as the chat in the outposts waiting to enter is just as bad as in AB). Oh and yes, winning in AB should have some more meaningful effect than giving you a harder map in 3 hours.On your logic then - where is the logic in VQ an area and getting 20k Kurz faction and 6k Lux faction, when you can only use one or the other, not both?
To a point it makes the game decide when you do a VQ rather than the person (yes - there are assumptions, mine is that the faction is one of the most important things when VQing).
Before they added the bonus for clearing an area, I waited until the Luxons had pushed into Kurz areas and did the VQ on my main then to gain Lux while doing it. Now with maxed Kurz, VQ those areas is more of a pain then anything on my other chars (affecting NPCs you can talk to etc.).
I respect your opinion to disagree
Coraline Jones
The idea that there's any room for debate is unbelievable. The bottom line is, nobody pays 100gp willingly to a Priest for a specific Blessing by "accident". So by that token, nobody would expect the final reward to be opposite of the rewards that they were receiving during the vanquishing run. If this was ANet's intention, then they should have gotten rid of all Faction-controlled shrines and just permanently locked them to either Luxon/Kurzick control. Or for that matter, gotten rid of the whole idea behind Faction-controlled anything.
As a Legendary Vanquisher prior to the change, I can guarantee that the way that the system was setup now is not how it used to work. If you took a blessing from a Kurzick Priest, then you were paid in Kurzick Faction at the end of the vanquish, regardless of where you were. Period. Since there's nothing in the release notes that say that they were planning to suddenly change it, then it's obviously a bug that ANet doesn't want to fix.
As a Legendary Vanquisher prior to the change, I can guarantee that the way that the system was setup now is not how it used to work. If you took a blessing from a Kurzick Priest, then you were paid in Kurzick Faction at the end of the vanquish, regardless of where you were. Period. Since there's nothing in the release notes that say that they were planning to suddenly change it, then it's obviously a bug that ANet doesn't want to fix.
stretchs
Not an oversight a statement and fact since the beginning, you get kurz for vanquishing kurz forest area and get lux for vanquishing lux sea. The blessings are just an added bonus. Stop whining
Lycan Nibbler
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Not an oversight a statement and fact since the beginning, you get kurz for vanquishing kurz forest area and get lux for vanquishing lux sea. The blessings are just an added bonus. Stop whining
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The "beginning" was the priests giving the Faction out - The thing that came "after" was the bonus amount for completing a VQ of an area, so by your logic on the CORRECT facts - the VQ bonus should match what came first ie the priests.