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Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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21 Nov 2008 at 20:01 - 41

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Originally Posted by Faer

If you're skilled, go play with other skilled players.

Can't. There are few kinds of skilled players.

1. Guild people that are ZOMG YOU ARE NOT IN MY GUILD GTFO.
2. People with r6 which took them 3 years using zergways, ritspikes and other crap and they think they have skill, anyone that doesn't want to play their teambuild doesn't have skill at all.
3. SOME players that might give a chance, but usually thanks to Karma there is at least 1 quitter in the team, people start going away from team and... yeah, team falls apart.
4. My favorite kind. All good players I knew either quit or sold their r9 accounts.

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If you're not, go play with scrubs and learn and/or earn the skill you need

That's kind of impossible. Good players don't learn with scrubs. They learn with themselves. That's why usually H/H's are better then PuGers.

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

21 Nov 2008 at 20:10 - 42

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Can't.

Everyone who knows what they are talking about knows that even an unranked player can get into R12 groups if they prove to a few OMFG PVP ELITIST SO MEAN people that they aren't bad at the game. Ask Auron, if you want confirmation. If you are skilled, you can get into a group regardless of rank. If you are not skilled, you will need the rank to get into a group asking for that rank. That's how it works.

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

That's why usually H/H's are better then PuGers.

So I heard you can H/H in HA now.

OH SORRY I FORGOT THIS WAS A THREAD FOR PVERS TO DISCUSS WAYS THEY CAN GET PVP REWARDS EASILY MY BAD.

While we're at it, 7 Heroes to a party, and no Hero limits in HA. That should fix everything right up for you guys.

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

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21 Nov 2008 at 20:34 - 43

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Originally Posted by Abedeus
Imo a weekend when Hero titles can't be shown and /ranks don't work either. This was people would maybe stop looking at few digits under someone's name and notice that a lot or r0-r3 players (well, I'm r3, but still...) just don't find it fun to grind HA non-stop for 5 hours to get few faction points.

What would be the point of that?

As soon as a, how should I phrase this, "HA Noob" gets acepted into a group and is asked to "ping build" and the build has 2 PvE only skills in it you know he/she is a noob.

Along those lines, when asked to change their build and they refuse saying this build is great, they get the boot. Yes, PvE types do this AND they don't listen when you tell them "Pacifism doesn't work here" they deny and tell you to let them try it, they will PROVE it works.

Contiuning on, You will get, on occasion, a PvEer who does listen, however when asked to change thier build, they reply "I only have 4 of those unlocked" OR "I'm set up for Fire and I don't have the runes/armor to run water" to which we reply "Can you roll a PvP only?" to their retort of "Nope, no slots and I'm not deleting a PvE toon, I just love them all too much"

Here's my altime fav, when asked "Do you have Vent?" They reply "Not unlocked yet, but Chaos Storm works really well so need for vent in this build"

So in the end after all that they only thing you have to say to them is "What shape is Italy?" they reply "A boot" and thats what you give them.

So you see, even if no one can show a title or /rank, people will know whos high ranked and whos not. If you want a fancy mote and hundreds of fame, work for it, don't "Mommy dis to hard, make easy for me" Roll a PvP only, listen to the experienced folks, pay attention, learn, get Ventrilo, and most importantly STFU and know your roll.

Also, don't spend your faction on "OMG I haz to get Ztitle Emote!!!!" and get all the skills unlocked instead.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

21 Nov 2008 at 20:42 - 44

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

So in the end after all that they only thing you have to say to them is "What shape is Italy?" they reply "A boot" and thats what you give them.

I lol'd irl. Kudos to you, sir.

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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21 Nov 2008 at 20:58 - 45

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Originally Posted by Faer

PvE players who want PvP rewards should learn to PvP instead of asking for it to be made easier for them to get the rewards that people who know what they are doing put a lot of time and effort into obtaining.

Okay, since you and everyone else seems to be so narrow mindedly hung up on rewards, let's throw that completely off of the table for the moment. No extra rewards. Since Guild Wars was supposed to be a PvP game, how would you get people who mostly PvE interested in PvP?

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

21 Nov 2008 at 21:06 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

how would you get people who mostly PvE interested in PvP?

I'd say "make it balanced", but everybody knows all PvE players care about is loot, so who are we trying to kid here?

But yeah. If it wasn't about the phat lewts (which it is), I'd say make it balanced. That way all the unique little snowflakes could run whatever they want and have a slightly lower chance of being rolled by gimmicks, though they'd still get stomped by better players in most cases because they REFUSE TO LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES RAGERAGERAGERAGE.

Seriously now, and this is a bit off topic, but honestly, if you keep getting curbstomped in less than 90 seconds, WHY KEEP DOING THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER? People need to pay attention, holy shit.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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21 Nov 2008 at 21:15 - 47

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If you are skilled, you can get into a group regardless of rank.

In which universe? Infinite Earth?

Orange: You are talking about a PvE scrub. One that fails even in PvE NM.

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work for it

I'm sorry I thought I'm too young for a job. Especially if it's not paid.

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Roll a PvP only, listen to the experienced folks, pay attention, learn, get Ventrilo, and most importantly STFU and know your roll.

Thanks to people like you, less talented players don't try to visit PvP and do something requiring brain cells.

Just FYI, I do have 1 perma-monk PvP and 1 another slot for PvP-only chars, that I rotate constantly every few days or hours if it's necessary.

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Contiuning on, You will get, on occasion, a PvEer who does listen, however when asked to change thier build, they reply "I only have 4 of those unlocked" OR "I'm set up for Fire and I don't have the runes/armor to run water" to which we reply "Can you roll a PvP only?" to their retort of "Nope, no slots and I'm not deleting a PvE toon, I just love them all too much"

Well, personally I would wound people like that one.

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What would be the point of that?

It would at least for 2,5 days stop the idiots screaming "R4++++ for ritspike!!! r3?!?!? NO WAI NUBZZ!!!" without even looking at a (correct) build.

Or idiots that kick out right after pinging the wrong build, where only 1-2 skills are bad, and don't even ask to change them. Especially if those skills aren't idiotic, for example if someone took Glyph of Lesser Energy instead of Glowing Gaze in a SF team in the old days. Sure, it doesn't work AS well as GG for a longer run, but it's not stupid enough to get insta-kick.

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

21 Nov 2008 at 21:47 - 48

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

In which universe?

Hey bro, not my fault you personally aren't good enough to do it. That doesn't mean it's impossible.

the_jos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Hard Mode Legion [HML]

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21 Nov 2008 at 23:48 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Since Guild Wars was supposed to be a PvP game, how would you get people who mostly PvE interested in PvP?

I don't want that.
PvE and PvP players think different.
As Faer stated, for PvE players it's all about 'phat lewts'.
Does someone RA, TA, HA or GvG because of phat lewts? Doubt that.
They play against other humans because it's competitive.
That's a mindset you either have or don't have.

Let's assume I'm the guild leader of a medium sized PvE guild.
And I want to bring that competitive element in my guild.
So I start dictating builds, demand certain professions, ask players to be online at certain times so we can practice. I think I will be the leader of a guild of one in days. But that's exactly what you need when you are serious on competitive play.

And why I don't want those PvE players in PvP?
It's no fun playing against them. At first it's fun when you whipe a team in seconds. But after a couple of times it's just grind. Like those annoying foes in PvE that pop up every time you walk past a spot and only hinder you to get to the next challenge. If they would just adjust strategy, pop up somewhere else or even decide to suicide and take my team down with them. But no, each and every time is the same.

Games are fun when you are about on the same level as your opponent.
Or when you see that your opponent isn't that good but is at least trying to adjust gameplay to see if other strategies work against you.
This is not only in GW, but also with games like playing cards or chess.
But you need the will to win, to learn from mistakes and to adapt gameplay.
And in GW also the will to get down from your throne and be 'just' a member of a team instead of the hero who saved the world.
And it's something I think a lot of PvE players just don't have.

Mind you that this is not meant offensive towards PvE players.
It's just that they play a different kind of game with different goals.

AKB48

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2008

みやき町

Mo/A

21 Nov 2008 at 23:58 - 50

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

Actually it's possible, i was nice and friendly to a number of people, most of them are still on my friends list - if i ask occasionally to join their HA group or vanquish with them they're more than happy to let me

Just don't be a whiner or a jackass and you'll be fine

occasionally bro, that means they may not deem you good, just nice and "good enough to pass". They may not necessary consider you the person to pick if you were just among 10 thousand other "low ranks".

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

★☆٭Ńēŵ~ŶờЯК٭☆★

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/Me

22 Nov 2008 at 05:14 - 51

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Originally Posted by Stupid Shizno

thats cause your brave lemming

guru is not full of brave strong people

asfar as rank goes......whens the last time anyone in pvp cared about rank? the game is so dead everyone knows everyone. if pvp dosnt know you, you suck or ebayed.

speaking of unknowns, whoru? jk <3 you simmons

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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22 Nov 2008 at 05:49 - 52

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Originally Posted by Faer

Hey bro, not my fault you personally aren't good enough to do it. That doesn't mean it's impossible.

See here's the problem, idiots in HA assume anyone below their rank is automatically worse just because he hasn't spent all his free time farming sway.

Lyynyyrd

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2008

Aussie Trolling Crew - Spah!

22 Nov 2008 at 05:58 - 53

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

See here's the problem, idiots in HA assume anyone below their rank is automatically worse just because he hasn't spent all his free time farming sway.

Took me a few hours to get from R0-R3.

Go to HA and TALK to players, show that you are interested in learning, maybe they'll take you along.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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22 Nov 2008 at 07:59 - 54

Too bad often people that try to teach know less than I do. And the only reason they are "better" is because they "HAV BIGGAR RANK STFU NOOB".

Like there's a difference between r3 sway and r6 sway. Hell, once with my guild we managed to beat a r6-r9 group while only me and one friend had a rank, rest of the team was r0-r1.

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

22 Nov 2008 at 11:26 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

idiots in HA

Entirely irrelevant given that we were discussing skilled players getting into skilled groups, not skilled players getting into high ranked groups of bumbling morons.

the_jos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Hard Mode Legion [HML]

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22 Nov 2008 at 13:28 - 56

It's not only about being good (skilled) enough.
A part of things is about visibility. You need either an established reputation or be an active player to be recognised as being skilled.
And the right players need to see your potential and help you achieve that.
I think that's a problem for many PvP players.

However, a huge part of that problem can be solved by the player him/herself.
Play a lot, be visible, stick out of the group in a positive way.
It's not that all skilled players only team up with other skilled players.
Or they don't recognise certain names if they bump into them every time.
It's no coincidence that I have played a couple of rounds HA and GvG with Ryan (he was one of the founding members of LotU and helped us out in our PvP period) and Simmons remembers me even though we only had a brief encounter over a year ago. And I'm not even a PvP player

If you think you are skilled enough to play with other skilled players, invest some serious time in that part of the game and prove your value.
If you are really as skilled as you think you are, you will be noticed or have the possibility to team up with skilled players. You just need to invest time in it.

SniperF0x

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

22 Nov 2008 at 18:52 - 57

1337 guide on how to get your bambi.

Look up a pug build on pvxwiki.com
Spam GLF ... in all chat.
???
Win

It'll take a while - especially forming groups. But you'll get some PvP and leadership experience in the mean time. Getting r3 with pugs is just proof that you don't fail and whine all day that you can't get into r9+ groups without any PvP experience at all.

Either that or buy your fame and fail.

Sadchaos

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2008

22 Nov 2008 at 19:40 - 58

If your a pve player, and in a pve guild, get other people in your guild who want to get into pvp also, look up a build on pvxwiki and learn to (if your not already) work together. With that guild, if you guys get good, should not be impossible to get fame. Of course your going to fail the first few times, but your only limiting yourself if you stop and quit.

newbie_of_doom

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

WTFPRIVACYDUDE

Endangered Feces [DoDo]

W/Mo

22 Nov 2008 at 20:05 - 59

and then there were no opponents

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

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24 Nov 2008 at 16:12 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw
how would you get people who mostly PvE interested in PvP?

Eliminate Titles, and add gold/super awsome rare leet drops to PvP rewards in all formats, not just HoH.

It used to be that once a PvEer had done alot of the PvE content the natural progression would be to PvP. Now ANet has added the HoM and the threat that "If you don't max these titles and fill that HoM you'll be left out in GW2"

PvEers now grind out Titles and farm for gold to fill their hall when they have an hour or two to play insead of trying out some PvP. And with the addition of Uber OP PvE only skills and Consets and Heros, PvE land is really easy as uposed to the difficulty of PvP.

Not to mention it takes very little time to set up an H/H team and go one to victory in PvE than it does to set up a team in PvP and go on to victory. But honestly thats beside the point.

Fact is as long as the title grind/HoM is out there PvErs aren't going to waste their time PvPing. 1/2 spent trying to find a group in HA, then another 15 minutes for 3 straight losses and the group falling apart and getting no reward is a waste to a PvEer. I mean come on, that time could have been spent on a vanquish for lots of reward (i.e Gold, Exp, Rep Faction, title maxing)

Missmelady

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Wisconsin

Our Gostly Solo Caps

Mo/

24 Nov 2008 at 17:33 - 61

As was stated before it is all about making connections. The more people that know you in pvp the better. One way to not get taken into groups is to have a rank discretion. When Spartan and Chamalee invited me to GANK i had but a lowely wolf comapred to their pheniox and might r 14 powers-.-. Point is rank isnt for handouts you have to work toward the title. I have all but stopped pveing as so I can ha. I have been like this for a few months and well needless to say I have goteen about 5k fame being rather lazy and holding halls here and there. Tbh it isn't that hard to get fame. Run alot of aoe and you win. If you want Ha to be semi alive again Izzy needs to nerf aoe and revert back to the old maps and "tombs" may be reborn again. The amount of time it takes the OP to read all of these comments and post he could have had 20-30 fame toward his bambi. Stop QQing and start Pew Pewing. Calculate each day you spend on guru or wiki and write it down for a week, then pm me that amount of time and then i will tell you. Look you wasted that much time on forums when you could have been haing. gg.

Stupid Shizno

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

Madison, Wisconsin, USA

[eF]

Mo/

24 Nov 2008 at 22:14 - 62

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

For me, HA IS FUN, but only if I don't have to think "omg I still have few hundreds of points to grind in order to play with someone equally skilled or at least almost as good).

Thats how HA is when you are good, ironicly. you go in, have fun, win halls a few times. do this a few days in a row, and one day you will hit H on accident and go "hey guys, im only x fame away from new rank, lol" and everyone will go "lol" back.

Now i dont know much about your guild TAM, never heard of them honestly, but you guys have enough QQers on fourms, you could form up, make a group, and HA and see why we laugh at this thread.

lutz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Battery Powered Best Friends [Vibe]

Me/

24 Nov 2008 at 23:33 - 63

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

I love how idiots always turn these threads into OMG THOS HA ELEETISTS I CANT GET GUD GROUP BECUZ IM LOW RENK.

Seriously, if you guys didn't cry all day and want everything spoon-fed to you, you'd be able to get it. I was unranked when everyone and their moms were looking for r9+ groups, and still managed to get rank. Why? Because I don't bitch and whine about being rejected from the higher ranked groups. I find my way around it.

Divine's way around things doesn't work for normal people :>
not all of us can swim, okay?

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

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25 Nov 2008 at 13:49 - 64

There are normal people?

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

25 Nov 2008 at 13:51 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by lutz

Divine's way around things doesn't work for normal people :>
not all of us can swim, okay?

Nonswimming got me my tiger.

Master Ketsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

middle of nowhere

Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy]

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26 Nov 2008 at 02:23 - 66

I was going to flame at first, but after thinking about it for a minute I realized this is actually a pretty good idea. IMO make it r5 or lower and make it last for 4 days even. HA is dying and needs more players.

The thing is, yes...there are ways to gain rank as a low rank. Its not totally impossible. Problem is it ussually involves a rate of maybe 1 or two fame per hour at best. Hardcore players can stomach it, but casual players who are not masochistic are more likely to just give up and go back to Pve/RA.
Anyone who doesn't believe me is free to try and make a new character, turn off your hero title, pretend to be a r0, and see if you can still say that gaining fame as a rankless player is just as easy as it was a year ago with a straight face.

Problem is HA is still pretty borked balancewise. They should still fix those issues first before attempting any sort of HA events...including the double weekend.

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

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26 Nov 2008 at 17:16 - 67

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu
The thing is, yes...there are ways to gain rank as a low rank. Its not totally impossible. Problem is it ussually involves a rate of maybe 1 or two fame per hour at best. Hardcore players can stomach it, but casual players who are not masochistic are more likely to just give up and go back to Pve/RA.

I think thats the point. You have a choice, PvE/Ra or HA. I want 30 maxed titles in PvE land, should there be a way for high ranked PvP people to get Max PvE titles faster? Like say since I'm Glad 4 then I earn Asuran points faster until I get around r8 and then it goes back to normal? You know, cause try finding a group when your only r2 Asuran and your Pain Inverter isn't very powerful.

People get to maxed Asuran with out special treatment, and people get to r9 Hero without special treatment.

Yeah, I know The "Asuran Title" is easier to farm/max than Hero, I just thought I would be simple in explaining my point and not confuse anyone, though I'm sure I still did though.

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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26 Nov 2008 at 18:07 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Eliminate Titles, and add gold/super awsome rare leet drops to PvP rewards in all formats, not just HoH.

Considering I'm spending more time farming exp for Survivor 3 than trying to PvP, you might be on to something.

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I think thats the point. You have a choice, PvE/Ra or HA. I want 30 maxed titles in PvE land, should there be a way for high ranked PvP people to get Max PvE titles faster? Like say since I'm Glad 4 then I earn Asuran points faster until I get around r8 and then it goes back to normal? You know, cause try finding a group when your only r2 Asuran and your Pain Inverter isn't very powerful.

People get to maxed Asuran with out special treatment, and people get to r9 Hero without special treatment.

Yeah, I know The "Asuran Title" is easier to farm/max than Hero, I just thought I would be simple in explaining my point and not confuse anyone, though I'm sure I still did though.

I see what you are saying here, but PvE has the benefit for most of it that you don't have to waste 15 minutes to find a group or worry if one if someone is going to do something stupid and get everyone wiped and spend another 15 minutes looking for a few new people.

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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28 Nov 2008 at 05:22 - 69

Okay, I was just thinking about it from the other angle. What if there were some sort of weekend if you got bonus fame if:
1. You were at or above rank 3.
2. At least half your party was from rank 0-2 when you started that run.

Note this extra bonus would only apply to the people at or above rank 3.

In order to offer encouragement for people who are new to HA at well as vets, everyone would get +3 fame for every 3rd consecutive match won... in other words double fame if you can win three in a row. Once they get to HoH, people get double fame for winning it.

My reasoning is thus:
1. It gives vets some encouragement to take on newer people and to train up the competent ones. They'd get double fame for teaching lowbies and triple fame if their group can also win at least 3 in a row.
2. More casual people would get some bonus fame, but only if they learn and work at it.
3. Vets would get a chance to show people why they should try PvP more often, if those people win some of them might stick around and come back more often. Thus HA would get some new blood to freshen it up.
4. Casual players and new players would be given a prime oppertunity to network and make connections with more experience players, if they play their cards right they'll wind up with some people on their friends list to make getting into HA runs more easier and they might get remembered by experienced people when the vets are doing a run and need someone.
5. While rewards are given, they aren't given too easily.

Any comments on the revamped idea?

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

28 Nov 2008 at 06:13 - 70

Yeah, good idea. But maybe just 3 OR MORE r0-2.

Veterans get rewards for helping weaker players, and they can help the veterans getting those rewards.

daraaksii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

28 Nov 2008 at 06:25 - 71

Believe me, those "veterans" don't want to pug with strangers. Also, as said before, they will just fame farm their new accounts.

~daraaksii

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

28 Nov 2008 at 06:44 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

I held halls twenty consecutive times yesterday, and find your comment ignorantly offensive.

I find your post ironic.

I love HA bitch-threads. It reminds me that there is a worse thing in this game than how ANet has destroyed the PvE with imbalanced skills and power creep, and that's how the players have destroyed the PvP.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

28 Nov 2008 at 07:19 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by daraaksii

Believe me, those "veterans" don't want to pug with strangers. Also, as said before, they will just fame farm their new accounts.

~daraaksii

How will they farm fame with new accounts? Even if they launch 2 GW's, they would have to manage playing 2 accounts at once. Or they would just play at a disadvantage, 4-5 vs 8.

newbie_of_doom

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

WTFPRIVACYDUDE

Endangered Feces [DoDo]

W/Mo

28 Nov 2008 at 09:26 - 74

WTF is this thing about drops to pvp. I mean you can buy them and join PUGs. This whole rank thing is retarded, no one cares. PUGs care, PUGs are bad. HA is accesable, you can form a group straight away. They will be bad, yes. But isn't EVERYONE IN HA? lol. Seriously. Next, you don't beat computers on chess the first day you start playing chess, do you?

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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28 Nov 2008 at 19:33 - 75

Why would you need high rank on two accounts? Why do you even need more than one anymore?

kostolomac

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

Serbia

Me/

28 Nov 2008 at 22:00 - 76

IMO a weekend without fame and hidden ranks would be good. People who know others will still play with them.And pugs would for without rank discrimination (there will be other types of discrimination but not so severe). But then again I only try to HA since I want the chest , I don't care about fame , bambies and other crap.

newbie_of_doom

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

WTFPRIVACYDUDE

Endangered Feces [DoDo]

W/Mo

29 Nov 2008 at 22:52 - 77

no 'rank discrimination' would only make PUGs more terrible

pterodactyl

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2008

michigan

E/Me

30 Nov 2008 at 21:00 - 78

a weekend without fame and hidden ranks would just mean guilds would slaughter PUGs even more than usual. guilds obviously know which of their members have which rank. it wouldn't get the new players anywhere, except maybe send them back to pve.

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

02 Dec 2008 at 09:18 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Any comments on the revamped idea?

Vets can play with other vets and get hundreds of fame per night. There's no way they will be able to match those numbers with a team of unranked players / PvErs, even if they get twice or three times the fame as usual for playing with them. Your idea would present veteran players with the following choices:

A. Continue grouping the same way they currently do for guaranteed fame.
B. Try helping newbies out for the possibility of earning less fame if they can even win that much.

daraaksii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

02 Dec 2008 at 10:03 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

How will they farm fame with new accounts? Even if they launch 2 GW's, they would have to manage playing 2 accounts at once. Or they would just play at a disadvantage, 4-5 vs 8.

A bit late answer:

You know, they just join their friends. It's not really complicated.