So many people are getting ticked off in PvP about the Deadly Arts assassin build.
Since that build is quite overpowered in a sense, why not make a PvP version of Entangling Asp to where it must come after a dual attack.
That's the suggestion.
"nerf" to Entangling Asp
gameshoes3003
daze
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Originally Posted by gameshoes3003
So many people are getting ticked off in PvP about the Deadly Arts assassin build.
Since that build is quite overpowered in a sense, why not make a PvP version of Entangling Asp to where it must come after a dual attack. That's the suggestion. |
how would you nerf it?? how would making it follow a dual attack nerf it?
it wouldn't change the spike from the fact that you can use [[signet of toxic shock] after it
Picuso
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Originally Posted by daze
how would you nerf it?? how would making it follow a dual attack nerf it?
it wouldn't change the spike from the fact that you can use [[signet of toxic shock] after it |
If Entangling Asp has to follow a Dual Attack, you need DD+Offhand Attack+Dual attack to be able to use it.
So, /Signed (Even that I love to kill DA 'Sins xD)
daze
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Originally Posted by Picuso
Deadly Arts 'Sin uses [Dancing Daggers] as a Lead Attack, and it hasn't any other attack skill.
If Entangling Asp has to follow a Dual Attack, you need DD+Offhand Attack+Dual attack to be able to use it. So, /Signed (Even that I love to kill DA 'Sins xD) |
i like to be able to run [deadly paradox][dancing daggers][entangling asp][signet of toxic shock][pain inverter][assassins promise][you move like a dwarf][finish him] on my ele. 14 e-storage... 12 deadly arts
Picuso
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Originally Posted by daze
ah, i see now. Well in that case, i /dontsign
i like to be able to run [deadly paradox][dancing daggers][entangling asp][signet of toxic shock][pain inverter][assassins promise][you move like a dwarf][finish him] on my ele. 14 e-storage... 12 deadly arts |
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daze
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Originally Posted by Picuso
gameshoes is asking about a PvP Version of Entangling Asp. Your "uber" pve build won't be nerfed.
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something smells like smug in here.
Tyla
If you want to hurt DA 'Sins, Deadly Paradox. Without that they're easier to deal with.
MagmaRed
[dancing daggers][mantis touch][vampiric assault]
Or you could even toss in [iron palm]
All are Deadly Arts skills, and all fill the lead-offhand-dual roles for you. Would slow down the damage from Entangling+Toxic Shock, but not stop it.
I agree though, that nerfing one skill is all that is needed, and it isn't Asp. Changing Deadly Paradox would allow Anet to nerf the PvP DA Sin as well as the perma Sin for PvE.
Or you could even toss in [iron palm]
All are Deadly Arts skills, and all fill the lead-offhand-dual roles for you. Would slow down the damage from Entangling+Toxic Shock, but not stop it.
I agree though, that nerfing one skill is all that is needed, and it isn't Asp. Changing Deadly Paradox would allow Anet to nerf the PvP DA Sin as well as the perma Sin for PvE.
Sora267
Deadly Paradox has already been nerfed to hell and back. If anything, they should split the skill and give it a slight buff in PvE, and nerf it in PvP.
FoxBat
Why have I seen so few wins in the high stakes with these "OP" bars? This is almost like nerfing touch rangers.
zelgadissan
Hitting Deadly Paradox would make the entire build explode. I don't think the assacaster is necessarily overpowered, but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing it burn.
If you want to nerf Entangling Asp that's fine too, but it's not the big issue.
If you want to nerf Entangling Asp that's fine too, but it's not the big issue.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by zelgadissan
Hitting Deadly Paradox would make the entire build explode. I don't think the assacaster is necessarily overpowered, but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing it burn.
If you want to nerf Entangling Asp that's fine too, but it's not the big issue. |
own age myname
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
Why have I seen so few wins in the high stakes with these "OP" bars? This is almost like nerfing touch rangers.
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upier
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Originally Posted by Tyla
I wouldn't mind the Assassin class to burn anyway. And Ritualist. And Paragon. And Dervish.
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Make PvP version of the above listed classes. The description for the classes could sound like:
Paragon, Dervish, Assassin, Ritualist (PvP): non-existent.
We get to keep them for PvE (maybe even buff them a bit - come on, you KNOW you want to see the RL-SS guy back!) - which is superb since I LOVE my ritualist and they remove them from the place where it's causing problems.
Win - win!
Alpheus
Why'd don't we just Guild Wars all together so everyone can be happy at the achievement of true balance. 
>_>;;;
>_>;;;
Tyla
Deleting the aforementioned classes will result in the beginning of decent balancing. That's the first step towards balance. I agree that they could stay in PvE though.
Abedeus
Actually, I agree. The less classes, the easier to balance them.
With 10 characters, it's really hard to make them balanced, without having at least one overpowered build.
And of course, Assassins, Dervishes, Ritualists and Paragons are kind of the hardest to balance because of their purpose and how they perform.
Assassins - They were supposted to be insta-gibbers, but turned out it was really OP. Now God knows what they are supposed to be. Warriors on stereoids?
Dervishes - ZOMG BIG SCYTHE AND SPELLS. OP screams from that idea.
Ritaulists - Party support... But that's already for Monks and in terms of spirits, Rangers.
Paragons - Again, another party support. But shouts were Warrior's domain, ranged attacks - Ranger. Too bad they are stronger than Rangers at damage, bigger pressure and the only thing they don't have is mobility.
With 10 characters, it's really hard to make them balanced, without having at least one overpowered build.
And of course, Assassins, Dervishes, Ritualists and Paragons are kind of the hardest to balance because of their purpose and how they perform.
Assassins - They were supposted to be insta-gibbers, but turned out it was really OP. Now God knows what they are supposed to be. Warriors on stereoids?
Dervishes - ZOMG BIG SCYTHE AND SPELLS. OP screams from that idea.
Ritaulists - Party support... But that's already for Monks and in terms of spirits, Rangers.
Paragons - Again, another party support. But shouts were Warrior's domain, ranged attacks - Ranger. Too bad they are stronger than Rangers at damage, bigger pressure and the only thing they don't have is mobility.
fowlero
I don't think it needs hitting too hard.
Sure that 2or3x Assacaster + Ele's build hurts if they're a good team, but if they're a bad team you roll them. Which seems about right to me really.
If you're gonna hit them anywhere, as said above, hit deadly paradox so they can't perma it with lyssa's aura.
Sure that 2or3x Assacaster + Ele's build hurts if they're a good team, but if they're a bad team you roll them. Which seems about right to me really.
If you're gonna hit them anywhere, as said above, hit deadly paradox so they can't perma it with lyssa's aura.
Rhamia Darigaz
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lol, hardly "uber" as you call it.
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Eragon Selene
omg here we go again with the Assassins in PvP thread..........
close?
close?
acerbity
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lol, hardly "uber" as you call it. but it is fun none the less.
something smells like smug in here. |
Owik Gall
It's good the way it is. Nerfing this will only narrow the variety of offensive builds, and that's not good. There should be more kinds of fun builds to play in the game, not just KD hammers and other popular ones.
Krill
The only thing that breaks this imo is lyssa's aura, which enables you to spam all the time with paradox up. The version with SoJ is still pretty gay but it's not as spammy since paradox was bumped to 15e.
Teutonic Paladin
The "spammability" isn't the problem here, it's the naturally timed quarter knocks and constant KDs. The only problem I see, is that the build makes bad players more dangerous than they should be. However, this is an issue with almost all assassin builds (1234567), not Entangling Asp.
Antares Ascending
Why is it I never see assassins at the higher levels of pvp?
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MisterT69
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
Actually, I agree. The less classes, the easier to balance them.
With 10 characters, it's really hard to make them balanced, without having at least one overpowered build. And of course, Assassins, Dervishes, Ritualists and Paragons are kind of the hardest to balance because of their purpose and how they perform. Assassins - They were supposted to be insta-gibbers, but turned out it was really OP. Now God knows what they are supposed to be. Warriors on Crack? Dervishes - ZOMG BIG SCYTHE AND SPELLS. OP screams from that idea. Ritaulists - Party support... But that's already for Monks and in terms of spirits, Rangers. Paragons - Again, another party support. But shouts were Warrior's domain, ranged attacks - Ranger. Too bad they are stronger than Rangers at damage, bigger pressure and the only thing they don't have is mobility. |