PvE - The Curbstomp Method

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by xDusT II View Post
What's the point of Otyugh's Cry on the smiter? Roleplaying.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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I like putting SY! on DB/MS sin bars, its basically free there. I'd replace res sig on Sin variant #1 With SY!

Koning

Koning

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Very nice Faer, this might improve some GW players hopefully

For rest, orders on MB :P Gonna try that one some time.

Also, as suggested above, what you guys think of asuran scan? I generally don't bring it myself too, but others seem to love it...

petrorabbit

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Faer is my hero!

Bobby2

Bobby2

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2007

Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards

[MaSS]

W/E

Oh, say what you will. 175% damage on every other enemy is still a hell of a lot better than some half-assed (*-ranged) interrupt. And nobody's forcing you to Hex every foe you encounter, I heard sustained AoE is nice.

BTW your argument doesn't stand when dealing with boss-level meanies (eg lasting longer than 5 seconds... or do they? )

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby2 View Post
or do they? Bosses should die just about as fast as everything else. Add a couple seconds, at most. Asuran Scan would help with them, but there's no use wasting a slot for one enemy out of every fifty or more. If it's not useful all of the time, it's probably not worth bringing.

Bobby2

Bobby2

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2007

Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards

[MaSS]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Faer View Post
Bosses should die just about as fast as everything else. Add a couple seconds, at most. Asuran Scan would help with them, but there's no use wasting a slot for one enemy out of every fifty or more. If it's not useful all of the time, it's probably not worth bringing. [empty] over [disrupting dagger], then?

We may just have different experiences though. Doing Deep runs (ugh) my guild runs Cryway, which means I often get to hunt stragglers. [asuran scan][black mantis thrust] is hard to pass up in this scenario, trust me. >.<

Celebrian

Celebrian

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Stop Stealing [agro]

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Well i would discuss some stuff about the builds but after seeing 3 pages of arrogance and defensiveness over your "top sekret awesome stuffs" i think i'm going to pass and leave with this comment - This is simply standard well known builds posted by a standard well known guild (or ex guild for that matter). Looking forward to seeing your QQ posts now.

snaek

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

@faer
y do u continue to insult my english after i said i was not tryin to be offensive
and even apologised to u
wut more do u want

if u cant take criticism
then dont post builds
simple as that


@fenix
rite im bad at gw because i believe that the standard ms/db is 10x better than his modified ms/db

and im here because i like to learn
but im sowrie...
this thread has taught me nuthin except that ppl can be asses


if u want to set this build in stone as perfection
then u refuse to think there is better

and if u think that ppl r criticizing this so called "perfect build" because they suck at gw
makes u wonder who is really good at gw and who isnt


edit: oh and i jus noticed that faer posted a variant to the sin build now
if i really do suck at gw
then y did faer himself posted a variant following almost exactly wut i said to do
take out disrupting stab and res sig
add disrupting dagger

and disrupting dagger is not even sumptin id really do in most cases either
i only mentioned it because its a way better interupt than stab
but if did want to bring an interupt, that would be one of the few viable ones to bring

personally i'd go wit wut bobby2 said
asuran scan is nice dmg
and 5s recharge isnt that big of a deal
plus plus plus it synergises wit assassins promise

if u didnt use assassins promise
asuran scan would be more likely to be removed from the bar

u do realize that being the only hex on the team
monster ai prioritize removing conditions/hexes
sometimes they remove it jus as fast as they will cry of frustration a skill
and we all kno wut goldy reflexes the ai has with interrupts


one last edit:
i also noticed he now has gdw on his midline caster bars now
really im terrible at gw to call out that hes missing gdw in my first post
and now he edits it in


again
id jus like to remind you
that i do not think this build is bad
i repeat, this build is not bad

i jus think that it is not new
and that there is room for improvement

so to all of those that think this build is perfection
plz do refrain from insulting or flaming
i do not mean to offend

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

Faer took old SMS builds, gave them extra utility, and made them lulsome while still being good and fun to play. Otyugh's Cry on a smiter? FCK YES I WILL!

ZodiacFear

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2008

Rt/

Bad people using bad builds? No ty.

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

Cool [agro] team-up amirite.

Pro-tip: Believe it or not builds like AP monk are gud. Less cryway, tank'n'spank, etc is gud.

Celebrian

Celebrian

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Stop Stealing [agro]

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Knew some smart ass would comment on cry way - well if you can even get within 30mins of the times we've got i might actually take your post seriously. until then, like your little bum buddies here i'm just gona have to ignore your post. Like Faer has been doing to the poor fellow who decides he wants to type in shorthand.

xeRox teh Sorcerer

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Hiding From Shitters [Shh]

N/

I'm struggling to see the point in this build.

Quote:
(Vanquishing Pwnsaucer, Eternal <Elite Place> Finishing Badass, Guardian of African AIDS Babies, or whatever else you can think of that I missed (sans those silly 4 or 6 player missions that are a walk through the daisies anyway)) 1) They added heroes to the game for a reason. With these magical creatures, you can easily vanquish, "pwnsaucer" and "guardian of african AIDS babies", if not on your own then with a friend. This leaves Elite areas.
2) Other builds do every elite area much faster and better.
3) Finding 6-8 people with the correct professions that wants to do that particular thing at the same time kinda fails. This is especially true when it can be done alone or with a friend, greatly reducing team forming time and probably not slowing down the actual event down once you get in.

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

Quote:
Originally Posted by [agro
]something defensive about cryway
Sorry that I don't appreciate gimmicks? I'm not quite sure what to say. PvE'rs seems to enjoy mashing their face on keyboards to do a mission 10 minutes faster than others. It's to bad that people are so narrow minded that they refuse to accept any builds other than the ones they believe are the best. I.E. Pre-nerf ursan, old school tank'n'spank, and now cryway. It's cool though if cryway guilds want to believe that they are 'leet' for being able to run it though. I understand where you all are coming from. I wasn't neglected as a noob, and I think you guys shouldn't be neglected either! I'm glad you have friends who run cryway with you and give you support and reassurance on how good you are at this game. That new set of fow armor will boost your confidence for sure!

Quote: [SMS] is dead, has been for a while. Saying cryway is bad is different than calling it a retarded gimmick. Yes cryway is effective, yes it's an easy to play gimmick. I apologize for wanting skill over time. It's not like that was one of the foundations guild wars was built on or anything. As far as calling you a bunch of PvE'rs go. Well, considering your guilds not on the ladder...

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Originally Posted by Elentari View Post
These kind of comments are probably worse than most of the flaming ones, fanboys like these clearly haven't done anything serious in pve and, having nothing to contribute, decide to appeal to some vain egotist on here to look "badass". Nice joke, move along. Fanboi? I was old SMS core. I ran these builds. I know what I'm talking about. Now I could make a rude comment about your guild and something revolving around a 'leech' but I already made a rude comment to [agro].

I pwnd U

I pwnd U

God of Spammers

Join Date: Oct 2005

in the middle of a burning cornfield...

Scars Meadows [SMS] (Officer)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DE
Fanboi? I was old SMS core. I ran these builds. I know what I'm talking about. Now I could make a rude comment about your guild and something revolving around a 'leech' but I already made a rude comment to [agro]. It's true, he was around to help tweak those builds and really has been helping with them since they started.

Don't know why we are having an omg my gimmick is better then yours discussion though. oO If it works, it works.

Celebrian

Celebrian

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Stop Stealing [agro]

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I Pwnd U, its the arrogance consistently posted throughout this thread thats annoyed me. The fact that many of the "SMS amazing leet crew" are just shooting people down saying this idea is bad, cryway is bad, this is bad, you are bad, everything is bad with you lot BUT yourselves. You cant honestly think you could go on forever on gwg being so arrogant and not get some kind of a negative reply for it. And for [DE] to call us a bunch of pve'rs, well it shows how much you know. Oh and as a guild achieving 4 elite area record runs i think is far greater an achievement than being SMS's little fan boy, no?

Elentari

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

[Te]

W/

Quote:
Fanboi? I was old SMS core. I ran these builds. I know what I'm talking about. Now I could make a rude comment about your guild and something revolving around a 'leech' but I already made a rude comment to [agro]. lolumad?
Damn. SMS core, gold cape for all that leetness?
Ironic how you claim to know what you're talking about and then proceed to propose making a "rude comment about your guild and something around a 'leech'". Yeah, cause responding with some kind of vague personal attack really makes you sound like you know what you're talking about, I'll try that next time thanks for your valuable input.
So I mentioned your post directly as one of the many worthless "fanboy" rubbish, big deal, it was just meant as a heads up to tell the other trolls to post something slightly more constructive, lighten up.
In any case you probably haven't even heard about my guild (cause it's not as good at SMS omgz).

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celebrian View Post
I Pwnd U, its the arrogance consistently posted throughout this thread thats annoyed me. The fact that many of the "SMS amazing leet crew" are just shooting people down saying this idea is bad, cryway is bad, this is bad, you are bad, everything is bad with you lot BUT yourselves. You cant honestly think you could go on forever on gwg being so arrogant and not get some kind of a negative reply for it. And for [DE] to call us a bunch of pve'rs, well it shows how much you know. Oh and as a guild achieving 4 elite area record runs i think is far greater an achievement than being SMS's little fan boy, no?
lolumad?
Damn. SMS core, gold cape for all that leetness?
Ironic how you claim to know what you're talking about and then proceed to propose making a "rude comment about your guild and something around a 'leech'". Yeah, cause responding with some kind of vague personal attack really makes you sound like you know what you're talking about, I'll try that next time thanks for your valuable input.
So I mentioned your post directly as one of the many worthless "fanboy" rubbish, big deal, it was just meant as a heads up to tell the other trolls to post something slightly more constructive, lighten up.
In any case you probably haven't even heard about my guild (cause it's not as good at SMS omgz). u mad cuz im stylin on u???
Gold cape for all that leetness? Sure I can just whisper divine.
Vague comment? You're leeching mad.
Good attempt at covering up your fanboi mistake though.

7/10.

high priestess anya

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by [DE] View Post
Sorry that I don't appreciate gimmicks? I'm not quite sure what to say. PvE'rs seems to enjoy mashing their face on keyboards to do a mission 10 minutes faster than others. It's to bad that people are so narrow minded that they refuse to accept any builds other than the ones they believe are the best. I.E. Pre-nerf ursan, old school tank'n'spank, and now cryway. It's cool though if cryway guilds want to believe that they are 'leet' for being able to run it though. I understand where you all are coming from. I wasn't neglected as a noob, and I think you guys shouldn't be neglected either! I'm glad you have friends who run cryway with you and give you support and reassurance on how good you are at this game. That new set of fow armor will boost your confidence for sure!


Dare i say it at the risk of making you sound pathetic, but cryway is a well organised coalition of players who time their attacks rather than mindlessly spamming 1-8. this is also common in some HA and GVG builds you will find as it is highly effective. if you want to look for good players in the PvE arena they will be doing some form of spike if it kills fast for the simple reason it is the most effective way of killing a bunch of AI.
Ok when it comes to the VS farm thats a flaw on anets half as they still allow people to attack through the wall which to be honest is mind bogglingly easy (even you could do it). take away the wall attack and you got yourself a good challenge as the perma has the potential to die.if you actually sat down and had a think about this you might realise that it is perma itself that is hurting your precious idea of what gw should be. if you want to be rich ingame then you do HM areas if you want to be even richer you do it fast, spike 3 2 1 GO!!!

edit: If you still refuse to conceed your opinion about cryway go and form a pug cryway for DOA then tell me how easy it is, also, all of the very good pve'ers i know all have massive pvp experience. i think once you understand pvp inside and out then pve becomes a breeze.lol ...flaming people for destroying pve wth xD

Athrun Feya

Athrun Feya

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

Oxford, UK

Hiding From Shi Tters [Shh]

I don't understand.

Why would anyone choose to do an elite area slowly and painfully?

to post below: you've already just shown complete lack of knowledge about how decent cryway teams function. Maybe form your opinions from experience next time? Instead of just raw opinions that actually don't mean anything to people who know whats what.

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

Quote:
Originally Posted by high priestess something-or-other
cryway stuff Casting echo, arcane echo, and then hittin cry of pain 3 times in a row when someone says too is pretty tough. You're right. Victory is yours and I am forever humbled. What's really sad is that pugs can fail at even that. They may not be as bad as the pugs that failed as ursan but man are they trying.

[+1]

I pwnd U

I pwnd U

God of Spammers

Join Date: Oct 2005

in the middle of a burning cornfield...

Scars Meadows [SMS] (Officer)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celebrian
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I Pwnd U, its the arrogance consistently posted throughout this thread thats annoyed me. The fact that many of the "SMS amazing leet crew" are just shooting people down saying this idea is bad, cryway is bad, this is bad, you are bad, everything is bad with you lot BUT yourselves. You cant honestly think you could go on forever on gwg being so arrogant and not get some kind of a negative reply for it. And for [DE] to call us a bunch of pve'rs, well it shows how much you know. Oh and as a guild achieving 4 elite area record runs i think is far greater an achievement than being SMS's little fan boy, no?
Wow, so because I am in SMS, and defended DE (Who mind you would be my BROTHER), I am a fan boy? Hmmm, funny. I may not of had a huge hand in making these builds, but I helped tweak them as well.

Yes, SMS is dead. We are just a holding guild atm thanks to someone who hacked Racthohs account and kicked everyone in the guild. So SMS is dead, and it will stay that way as we have become bored with PvE and GW in general. Many of the core players, who had a HUGE hand in those builds have left. Simple fact.

SMS did elite runs way before you guys did if I remember correctly. Way back before there was Ursan and other PvE skills. We set bars for UW, FoW, Urgoz, DoA, and even some challenge missions I believe. And yes, for some of those I was there, DE was there, Faer was there, Trub, Racthoh, MMSDome, Arky, so on and so forth. These builds are a variation of what was used for the most part. So no, I'm not SMS lil fan boy, I could give a flying shit who invented these builds. I have used them and know they work, thus the defense of them.

Oh, and since the "SMS leet crew" is apparently shooting people down saying they are bad... I do believe that there were more people saying that this build is bad and such. More so then "SMS leet crew" saying they are bad. Plus thats just Faer. He hates the world.

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

No Tyla he's right. You have to spam 1->2->3 or else you'll screw up your echo! Mashing 4-8 won't do you any good so you should probably keep your eyes on your keyboard so your fingers don't accidentally stray.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by high priestess anya View Post
ok hotshot...i enjoy destroying certain parts of pve because it meks meh moneyz and i like doing it fast because i cba wasting 2 hours in certain areas.
i do my job the best i can as you do with your slow azz balanced build. Forgive me holy one for not being so hardcore into a game where you are generally feeling pain for seeing one skill have such an impact. please , stop all the QQ and get on with it. man would hate to see how you cry if you got bloodspiked to death vs your balanced in GvG
this is what i think you are thinking:
"aww that so gawd damn lame" "im telling anet you too powerful "QQ
"ima post a moan on guru cuz ima just sick of it QQ" "anyone who does spikes is destroying the game QQ"

lmfao xD What the hell are you talking about?

Oh, and if you're playing the game for in-game money I do believe you are really quite sad.

Symeon

Symeon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Wow, epic guild rivalry

(ex) SMS is like the PvE KMD.

Elentari

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

[Te]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by [DE] View Post

u mad cuz im stylin on u???
Gold cape for all that leetness? Sure I can just whisper divine.
Vague comment? You're leeching mad.
Good attempt at covering up your fanboi mistake though.

7/10.
Hmm expected better, really. So unlike you I'm actually going to respond to your worthless points with actual facts instead of blind accusations that make you sound no less uninformed. I'm not leeching mad, leeching mad would be getting invited after the silver, and sitting there in the members section while not playing with anyone else in the guild, whereas I've been in mad the day it was formed, as one of the few officers, and participated in over 80% of the GvGs when I could make it.
About the comment citing divine, first of all I'd like to point out that you're saying I leech guilds, when your back up plan is to whisper someone in a dead gold trim guild for an invite, because I assure you, you wearing dR's cape most certainly qualifies as leeching. And need I remind you that divine played for mad last monthly? surely you did not overlook that? Thought you knew what you were talking about?
Lastly, I am not attempting to cover up my "fanboi mistake", because it's not a mistake, you're sucking up to some pver on gwg whose hunger for attention barely overshadows your own, and you flame anyone that doesn't fall into this same fanboy category as yourself.
Please, stop feeding bad threads with bad posts, it's entertaining but it gets old fast. Provide something concise and accurate like this:
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Originally Posted by The Meth View Post
Lots of physicals pounding away at enemies while under SY, buffed by casters who stack imbalanced stuff on them? Yeah, I've never run a build like that before. or go do something else thanks.

Celebrian

Celebrian

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Stop Stealing [agro]

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ok lets see where to start, we were doing deep/doa since they were released. Hell, i still remember running everyone /me with mantra of ice like a few days after doa was released. If you guys are so old skool and amazing you will know what im on about . Just because we didnt post all day on gwg about how amazing we were doesnt mean we arnt experianced.

AND @ TYLA http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=678
THIS MADE ME LOL TOO. See i can post random trash like you too.
If you can not use proper English on an English forum, do not post. It's as simple as that. The content of your posts may or may not be legitimately useful, but that is irrelevant, as reading them is painful and therefore probably best avoided. Thus, I refuse to read them any longer than necessary to determine whether or not you have started using the language properly. If you have something to say, great! I'll welcome any comments you may have, and may even take them into consideration during my future edits (because holy shit, after getting a night of sleep, I really can't believe how I left out so much stuff) once I can read them without having an aneurysm. Quote:
Originally Posted by xeRox teh Sorcerer View Post
3) Finding 6-8 people with the correct professions that wants to do that particular thing at the same time kinda fails. I don't know about you, but I can easily pull eight fairly competent players together at almost any given time to do pretty much anything in GW that I want. I can understand how that might be a problem for some people, and for those that don't have access to things like IRC (excellent tool of group gathering win) or MSN, there are H/H to run around with at your beck and call. But this isn't about H/H, this is about playing with teams mostly made up of humans.

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

Quote:
Originally Posted by high priestess anya View Post
ok hotshot...i enjoy destroying certain parts of pve because it meks meh moneyz and i like doing it fast because i cba wasting 2 hours in certain areas.
i do my job the best i can as you do with your slow azz balanced build. Forgive me holy one for not being so hardcore into a game where you are generally feeling pain for seeing one skill have such an impact. please , stop all the QQ and get on with it. man would hate to see how you cry if you got bloodspiked to death vs your balanced in GvG
this is what i think you are thinking:
"aww that so gawd damn lame" "im telling anet you too powerful "QQ
"ima post a moan on guru cuz ima just sick of it QQ" "anyone who does spikes is destroying the game QQ"

lmfao xD


lolwut. (Elentari, you're not the only one mad cuz im stylin on u)
I do enjoy the misinformation on how long it takes for 'balanced' to clear zones. It's also cool how you degraded yourself to internet talk so you could try to talk down on me. Nice touch. Really though, there are much more problems with pve than one skill. I'm sure you'd like to disagree with that though also. If PvE skills didn't exist I'd be a happy man.

Your view on spikes is completely misrepresented and misinterpreted. Spiking is a part of the game. I don't complain about cry of pain. I complain about cryway. But onos, that makes no sense to my brain, I am so confused and lost. It's more than just one skill that's broken. It's multiple PvE-skills and the balancing issues that have gone on that's fcked up. When it comes to bspike in gvg, yeah, I've been around since the start of the game (homg he'z liek a veteran n he'z braggin n stoff). I've seen every type of spike made popular in GvG and HA for quick wins. Saying I'd QQ about it is poorly interpreted.

'lmfao xD'

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by elitearads
Hmm expected better, really. So unlike you I'm actually going to respond to your worthless points with actual facts instead of blind accusations that make you sound no less uninformed. I'm not leeching mad, leeching mad would be getting invited after the silver, and sitting there in the members section while not playing with anyone else in the guild, whereas I've been in mad the day it was formed, as one of the few officers, and participated in over 80% of the GvGs when I could make it.
About the comment citing divine, first of all I'd like to point out that you're saying I leech guilds, when your back up plan is to whisper someone in a dead gold trim guild for an invite, because I assure you, you wearing dR's cape most certainly qualifies as leeching. And need I remind you that divine played for mad last monthly? surely you did not overlook that? Thought you knew what you were talking about?
Lastly, I am not attempting to cover up my "fanboi mistake", because it's not a mistake, you're sucking up to some pver on gwg whose hunger for attention barely overshadows your own, and you flame anyone that doesn't fall into this same fanboy category as yourself.
Please, stop feeding bad threads with bad posts, it's entertaining but it gets old fast. Provide something concise and accurate li Sorry to many people responding at once. I miss old drama.
The gold cape thing isn't a back-up plan. It's just one of those 'hurrrr i can get a better cape den u in an instant hrurururutaruta'
Divine shit: YEAH. dR IS DEAD. dR MEMBERS ARE GUESTING FOR OTHERS. REALLY BREAKING NEWS THERE.
As far as mad, uhhhhh.... lol? Don't lie pls.
Fanboi remark: me and faer are friends. sorry for sticking up for my friend I guess?

I'd put this reply in a better format but I have class soon and I'm to lazy to care.