More non-human Heroes please!

Rick Thene

Rick Thene

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Confirmed. Sending Supplies.

Big Domage Krewe [DoMe]

A/W

Lets face it, humans in RPGs are usually the most boring race you can have.

When MOX was released I loved the prospect of one more member in my multi-race party. Him being a golem was just icing.
But heck, it isn't all about my personal preference. Having Heroes of different races would allow ANet to easily tell us or hint at the future of these races, through (hopefully interesting) sidequests similar to MOX. And who isn't interested in the future of the Forgotten, Tengu, Dredge, or other major races in Tyria? I know some won't give a toss either way, but it would be nice to find out.(Especially for the Forgotten, lots of hubbub in the Desert in GW2 by the sounds of it, how do they react?)

I know the GW Devs have lots on their plate and something like this is pretty low priority and lots of work, but it would still be pretty nice to see them pay a bit more attention to some of the cool races inhabiting the world.

P.S. The following classes have only humans reps:
Mesmer
Necro
Assassin
Paragon

P.S.S. I'm not sure if these Heroes would be allowed for PvP, for the same reasons MOX isn't - height/bulk in particular.

Mamath

Mamath

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Brisbane, Australia

The Gecko Liberation Army

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I've been waiting for a Tengu hero ever since heroes were introduced! I know i'm not the only one who'd love to have a Tengu in their party. I could definitely see a Tengu hero being an assassin...

MOX coming out after it being so long since new content made me think it was possible there'd be more new heroes in future but I don't want to get my hopes up...

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

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Non-human paragon....hrm. Not sure that would work very well.

I'd like more non-human heroes so my party doesn't get affected as much by disease all the damn time, and Zhed annoys the ever-loving crap out of me. I guess that's what Vekk is for.

the savage nornbear

the savage nornbear

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

The Raging Cadavers [rage]

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WTB Forgotten Paragon hero. More content is always good.

daze

daze

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2008

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Originally Posted by the savage nornbear View Post
WTB Forgotten Paragon hero. More content is always good.

WTB Ghostly Paragon Hero..
My idea is better.

viper11025

viper11025

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

02/18/05 (Pm me with the place, its a riddle)

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Margonite paragon hero, fits PERfectly to the storyline, because the margonites want thier freedom.
Most of them do, I think.

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

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Originally Posted by the savage nornbear View Post
WTB Forgotten Paragon hero. More content is always good.
Won't work. Forgotten are caster-only.

There is room for 4 more professions:
Mesmer
Paragon
Assassin
Ritualist

What I see, in profession to species is:
Mesmer: Tengu (Queztal/Avicara) or Forgotten
Paragon: Margonite (I want The Lost!)
Assassin: Dredge
Ritualist: Forgotten or Tengu (Angchu)

Of course Forgotten/Angchu are mutually exclusive.

daze

daze

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2008

In my own mind

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin View Post
Won't work. Forgotten are caster-only.

I am curious as to why the non caster forgotten take on the different form.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forgotten_Champion

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forgotten_Avenger

it does say that the species is "Enchanted" that might be it however unlike the enchanted, they leave exploitable corpses.

they are definitely separate from the enchanted bow and enchanted swords.

But i agree that a margonite would make the best paragon. with the wings and all. The margonite should also be lvl 24 just because Ive never seen a margonite less than lvl 24.


But having a margonite and a forgotten in your party??? thats a bigger conflict than Gwen and Pyre.

wind fire and ice

wind fire and ice

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2008

There

[ToA]

forgotten mes
margonite paragon
tengu assassin
and for rit,Razah isnt human really so we have a non-human rit,though he does look like a human so i guess another wouldnt hurt,no clue what it would be though..

Mortal Amongst Mere Gods

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Riding the spiral

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Originally Posted by wind fire and ice View Post
forgotten mes
and for rit,Razah isnt human really so we have a non-human rit,though he does look like a human so i guess another wouldnt hurt,no clue what it would be though..
Razah is, by story, a demon, not human. But, as I've learned recently while vanquishing, he is considered human by game mechanics and contracts/gives disease as any human would. However, I've never bothered to see if anyone like Pyre/Vekk/Zhed/etc would do the same or not. I think the fact that Razah was in my party and not some strolling NPC might be why he diseased.

On discussion now: Yeah, I've been wanting mroe non-human heroes since Zhed, and Pyre isn't helping any. I'd have a tengu for an assassin, margonite for a paragon, forgotten for a mesmer, and djinn for a ritualist or dervish. Don't know about any others.

Mayda

Mayda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Prague (GMT +1)

FTW

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well, enchanted spëar as para hero...

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by daze View Post
I am curious as to why the non caster forgotten take on the different form.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forgotten_Champion

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forgotten_Avenger

it does say that the species is "Enchanted" that might be it however unlike the enchanted, they leave exploitable corpses.

they are definitely separate from the enchanted bow and enchanted swords.
The Enchanted are not Forgotten. They are Constructs, like the Jade Armor/Bow and the Shiro'ken. The Enchanted Armors (I call them Enchanted Armor as to not confuse with the Enchanted Weapons in EN) are pieces of armor that were animated.

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Originally Posted by windfireandice
and for rit,Razah isnt human really so we have a non-human rit,though he does look like a human so i guess another wouldnt hurt,no clue what it would be though..
Ritualist is needed to finish the "3 of each profession" concept. And however much I like Razah, we need a true non-human. Not a demonic entity that is extremely like a human that is also considered human by game mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Mortal Amongst Mere Gods View Post
However, I've never bothered to see if anyone like Pyre/Vekk/Zhed/etc would do the same or not. I think the fact that Razah was in my party and not some strolling NPC might be why he diseased.
They don't, same with Jora and Odgen I think, and like Talon.

Hyper.nl

Hyper.nl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Defending Fort Aspenwood

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/Notsigned as long as we can only use 3 heroes at a time.

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

I really don't think we need more heroes honestly, given that we can only use three out of the huge number of them we already have...

ALF71BE

ALF71BE

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2008

In your fridge, stealing your pickles. for mah subway

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyper.nl
/Notsigned as long as we can only use 3 heroes at a time.
Yeah, that.

Btw, why do fanboys tend to ruin a thread?

daze

daze

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2008

In my own mind

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin View Post
The Enchanted are not Forgotten. They are Constructs, like the Jade Armor/Bow and the Shiro'ken. The Enchanted Armors (I call them Enchanted Armor as to not confuse with the Enchanted Weapons in EN) are pieces of armor that were animated.
Enchanted dont leave exploitable corpses.. The forgotten champion and forgotten avenger do.

the Puppeteer

the Puppeteer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2007

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Originally Posted by viper11025 View Post
Margonite paragon hero, fits PERfectly to the storyline, because the margonites want thier freedom.
Most of them do, I think.
I would then start using a para hero in my team ^^

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Same goes all the way arround.

For each profession, there should be:
- 1 human male
- 1 human female
- 1 non-human.

So, what's left?
- Human female Warrior.
- Human female elementalist.
- Forgotten One Mesmer.
- Dredge Ritualist. They are a short-sighted race, almost blind. Blind fits ritualist.
- Tengu Assassin. Sharp claws.
- Undead or Margonite Paragon.

With that, we'll get 1 hero for each non-primary attribute of every profession, and it would be perfect then.

the savage nornbear

the savage nornbear

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

The Raging Cadavers [rage]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin View Post
Won't work. Forgotten are caster-only.

There is room for 4 more professions:
Mesmer
Paragon
Assassin
Ritualist

What I see, in profession to species is:
Mesmer: Tengu (Queztal/Avicara) or Forgotten
Paragon: Margonite (I want The Lost!)
Assassin: Dredge
Ritualist: Forgotten or Tengu (Angchu)

Of course Forgotten/Angchu are mutually exclusive.

Well he would obviously be a rebellious "forgotten?" that got kicked out of Caster Academy for shouting and throwing sticks at the other students. He then was forced to join up with humans to prove his worth and that Forgotten can be rough and tough physical characters to.


^gay

Blessed Winds

Blessed Winds

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

I live in Panda Land. It's wonderful.

PLU (Panda Lovers UNITED)

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyper.nl View Post
/Notsigned as long as we can only use 3 heroes at a time.
We still can't have 3-paragon, 3-mesmer, 3-assassin, 3-ritualist hero teams o.o
I really don't care about races.

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by daze View Post
Enchanted dont leave exploitable corpses.. The forgotten champion and forgotten avenger do.
Hmmm, I'll have to look at this again, but the only Enchanted I recall leaving exploitable corpses are the Enchanted Forgotten - which is a game mechanic thing as non-exploitable corpses means disappearing (game mechanic wise) and all boss bodies must stay (therefore all bosses are exploitable iirc).

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Originally Posted by the savage nornbear View Post
Well he would obviously be a rebellious "forgotten?" that got kicked out of Caster Academy for shouting and throwing sticks at the other students. He then was forced to join up with humans to prove his worth and that Forgotten can be rough and tough physical characters to.


^gay
You need to look into lore a bit more before making things like this up. There are some professions that are just simply unable by physical means to use attack weapons. I.e., Mursaat, Forgotten, and seemingly Seer; which is why they need constructs to do the physical attacking.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyper.nl View Post
/Notsigned as long as we can only use 3 heroes at a time.
We still can't have 3-paragon, 3-mesmer, 3-assassin, 3-ritualist hero teams o.o
I really don't care about races.
I agree that we should be able to use more then 3 heroes, but finishing up to the 30 heroes would allow the 3-all profession team.

daze

daze

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2008

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Originally Posted by Blessed Winds View Post
I really don't care about races.
God! Such a racist.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

I want Razzy's armour first.
Then we can talk about adding more stuff we don't need.

Rothan Celt

Rothan Celt

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

Aura

Mo/R

i 2nd that upier!

and meh about other races can't really care much to be honest still i would love a margonite hero called steve and a forgotton caster named snoop izzy

oh and ofcourse a Tengu!

Rick Thene

Rick Thene

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

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Big Domage Krewe [DoMe]

A/W

I can see what your saying Upier (Goddam I want Anton's armour...), but I just thought it would be nice to give the Devs a chance to show us firsthand what could be happening to the other-other races.

Also, it's cool to see that people had the same Margonite idea that I had.

pterodactyl

pterodactyl

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2008

michigan

E/Me

i'll probably catch flak for this, but i think it's good that npc's don't have our armor. it at least brings some originality to them. plus they all come from different backgrounds and such, they have reasons for their armors, it wouldn't really fit for the player to have them. i'm mostly just playing devil's advocate here because i do love the armors and it would be nifty to have them for myself, but i don't mind that we can't.

ot - while non-human heroes would be amazing (margonites, tengu, etc) there are just so many already. there has to be something like 25 now, right? that just seems like so many to begin with. adding more would easily push it to 30 or perhaps 35 or 40, which would be overwhelming to say the least. at least for me.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Jup, but there is no need to add 'much more', just the 'remaining ones'.
Just enough so 2 players can make parties of one profession. Whatever the reason they have: Testing builds, Fooling around, just fun...

Owik Gall

Owik Gall

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guardians of the Light

W/Mo

Might as well send this suggestion to the GW2 forum because there is no way we are getting anymore heroes for this game, not ever.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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GW2 will not have the same Hero system. Just a companion system.

Phoenix Tears

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

when we are at it, give us finally 7 hero parties XD

newbie_of_doom

newbie_of_doom

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

WTFPRIVACYDUDE

Endangered Feces [DoDo]

W/Mo

Why would you possibly care to have heroes from a different race...

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by newbie_of_doom View Post
Why would you possibly care to have heroes from a different race...
Variety and equitability.

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