Having trouble farming with my Monk...

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Originally Posted by Age I ask why is there no mention of it on THE Guild Wars Guru as it has the most comprehensive farming forum on any GW Fansite and partial home of 55? 55 and Spirit Bonders use the same Invincible Monk concept. They both work pretty much the same way. It's just that one takes less clicks than the other to work. But it's not like more clicking means it doesn't work at all. It still does, but people are lazy so the build that takes less work gets favored more. stretchs Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2007 Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK 02 Dec 2008 at 01:44 - 31 While 55'ing try Judge's Intervention, it is quite a nice spike damage. As well, Signet of Mystic Wrath has its uses as well blackknight1337 Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2007 USA Mo/ 02 Dec 2008 at 04:26 - 32 Quote: Originally Posted by Age There is no mention of the 600 solo build on this board which as all the popular farming builds in the game just look at cerb's thread in this forum he is farming at 55 not 600. Cerb used 55 in normal mode, his HM stuff was done with 600 and a modded smiter. Inferno covered the rest of your points rather well. I might also add that a build not being on here or on pvx means nothing, keg farming wasn't on there for months, and look at how well that works. _Nihilist_ Will Bull's Strike for $! Join Date: Apr 2006 Isle of the Dead 02 Dec 2008 at 04:50 - 33 @OP: A lot of the bosses that you have listed use spells as a primary means of dealing damage. [[Shield of Judgment] doesn't trigger on spells/skills only on attacks or attack skills. Even running [[Blessed Aura] with a +20% enchant mod on your main hand, you are going to run out of [[Shield of Judgment] before they run out of HP, which is either going to make the farm slower than a person hexed with [[Iron Mist] or work as well as [[Shadow Form] works against [[IW] (hint, it doesn't). Your damage dealer is conditional, and your targets aren't meeting the conditions for SoJ to deal damage. As far as SoJ vs mobs that can be KD'd - if more than 3 melee mobs are on you, they will scatter, and some will stay away, leaving a max of 3 on you. Test this in Nebo Terrace, outside of Bergen Hot Springs. There are patrol groups that consist of 2 Grasping Ghouls and 1 Skeleton Sorceror/Warlock. If you aggro 2 of these groups at once the ranged Skeletons will sit back and chill and all 4 Ghouls will charge you. Once all the Ghouls are on you, pop SoJ. When any one of the Ghouls reaches ~50% hp, it will scatter due to the AoE KD from SoJ. 3 will stay on you. You might get a group where a couple of the Ghouls scatter at first, but 3 will settle onto you while the 4th one sits back away from combat for a bit. If more melee mobs aggro, then the ones with low HP will scatter away until you have no more than 3 melee mobs attacking you through SoJ. One way around this is to go /N secondary. Take either [[Spoil Victor] or [[Spiteful Spirit] as your Elite rather than [[Shield of Judgment] (be careful if running SS, it has a 2 second cast time, and if the enemies have interrupt capability they are going to gun for SS). If you take Spoil Victor, bring along another Blood Magic skill to help kill (sometimes you drop your foes to <55hp, at which point SV does nothing, unless you have either DP or are suffering from DW. If you take SS, bring along [[Insidious Parasite], as it can be used on another target for faster killing and lifesteal when they hit you. @ Age: You never stop, will you? You do it in the Warrior section and here in the Farming section... You have been given information that says a solo Monk can use [[Spirit Bond] to effectively solo farm. Just because [[Spirit Bond] isn't the only skill used to negate the damage (as both ac1inferno and blackknight1337 have tried to point out, explaining that once SB ends from 10 hits SoA will have taken enough hits to reduce the incoming damage at that point to slough off or to completely nil, and they have made this point multiple times) doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Instead of being a complete and total troll, why don't you just TEST IT YOUR OWN GD SELF. FFS, kids... can't live with 'em, can't put them in time out across the interwebs... if only... Also... Quote: Originally Posted by Age It can't do as much damage as 55 as a 55 uses a superior rune which make it 16 at in smiting.600 would have to use all minors.

This comment is complete and utter BULL. Even @ 16 Smiting Prayers SoJ does 53 dmg per hit (106 vs. Undead, which is why it's used so much in solo Undead farming). A 600 Smiter is using Retribution, which returns up to 19 dmg per hit with Smiting @ 14 (12+Helm+Minor Rune). At first, you see the straight numbers 53/hit vs 19/hit. Ok, per hit SoJ does more. I'll give you that much. Here is where you are wrong:

SoJ lasts for 21 seconds with 16 Smiting. I'll even throw in an additional 4 seconds for a +20% enchant mod on your main-hand weapon, which brings it up to 25 seconds rounded down (actual figure is 25.2 seconds). That gives you another 20 seconds of downtime and 1 second to recast if you aren't having to refresh a Prot at that exact second. Now... SoJ KD's as well as deals damage, so that's 1 second less for every hit that's landed on you while SoJ is up to account for time the enemy spent falling down and getting up. Even with 25 seconds of SoJ, you are still only getting 12 hits max per enemy, and that's saying that they hit you as soon as they stand up.

Retribution is a maintained enchant, meaning that unless it gets stripped, it is up until you either don't have the energy to maintain it (meaning you would have to have negative energy regeneration... which is only going to happen against certain skills/spirits which you wouldn't try to farm with maintained enchants in the first place...) So in the same amount of time, vs the same amount of enemies you are going to get double the number of hits from Retribution that you are going to get from SoJ (saying that attacks hit once per second per enemy and since Retribution doesn't interrupt attack flow with a 1 second KD). On top of that, you add in the additional 21 seconds for 21 more hits of Retribution (maintained) that you would be waiting on recharge/recast of SoJ.

12 hits x 53 dmg = 636 total dmg over 46 seconds (25 initial, 21 recharge/recast)
46 hits x 19 dmg = 874 total dmg over 46 seconds (maintained for 46 seconds)

The only time that SoJ is going to deal more damage than Retribution is on one of 3 conditions: a) the timeframe is shorter than a full cycle of SoJ's duration+recharge (which is the only fair way to test this, as not all enemies die in a single cast of SoJ and the time they spend attacking during the recharge is still time used, time which Retribution would still be dealing damage), b) if the enemies are doing less than 60 dmg per hit (rounded up, since Retribution deals 33% back we have to account for that last %) or c) if the damage is reduced before Retribution, lowering it to under 60 dmg per hit.

Again, this compares 16 Smiting SoJ to 14 Smiting Retribution. There are still 3 ways, at least, I could have missed some, that can render this information moot, all of which I have listed above. If you want to disprove me more, I will run more tests, to your specs in order to put this bull to rest.

Learn to mathcraft before you make erroneous comments on a public forum, trying to 1up your e-peen.

@ ac1inferno and blackknight1337:

Thanks for helping and giving tested information.