dunkoro and zhed builds

Hybrids means you can have 2 copies of [[Aegis] and other useful skills. 12/10/8 attribute splits give more benefit than 12/12. Is 4 more divine favor really going to make much difference (hint: no). Having a bunch of +health skills (for the healer) is pointless, a few decent heals (see Tyla's bar) is enough, and allows slots for hex/condition removal.
Probably more reasons but I'm too lazy to remember them atm.

EDIT:When you only need one monk, a hybrid is fine; you won't need to choose between a full prot or full healer.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

10 Dec 2008 at 07:05 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

[word of healing][dwayna's kiss][signet of rejuvenation][aegis][shield of absorption][protective spirit][cure hex][glyph of lesser energy]

[savannah heat][teinai's heat][searing heat][fireball][glyph of lesser energy][splinter weapon][fire attunement][death pact signet] Similar to what I use:

[build prof=Mo/E hea=12 pro=9 div=9][Word of Healing][Dwayna's Kiss][Signet of Rejuvenation][Shield of Absorption][Dismiss Condition][Aegis][Cure Hex][Glyph of Lesser Energy][/build]

[build prof=E/Rt fir=12 ene=8 res=2 cha=10][Savannah Heat][Searing Heat][Teinai's Heat][Rodgort's Invocation][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Fire Attunement][Splinter Weapon][Death Pact Signet][/build]

Rothan Celt

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

Aura

Mo/R

10 Dec 2008 at 09:24 - 16

heh Mark of Rodgort thats the one ;p

Anyway that skill is a must in any fire build certainly a Heatbuild

for a monk u could try

[Skill] Smite Hex [/Skill] [skill] Smite Condition [/skill] [skill] Reversal of Damage [/skill] [skill] Zealots fire [/skill][skill] Castigation Signet [/skill] [skill] Ancestors rage [/skill] [skill] Splinter weapon [/skill] [skill] Smiters Boon [/skill]

This monk build + monk henchmen pretty much covers NM in most areas and use a Heat nuker with [skill] Mark of Rodgort [/skill] with zels fire it spams burning. Of course if ur using splinter wep/ancestral rage on your ele then u can swap em out on your monk for..... [skill] Rip Enchantment [/skill] & [skill] Enfeebling blood [/skill] The build is only really for a dervish/warrior player but is very fun to use. Me and my friend ran the build posted above and the same but with the necro skills in Arbourstone. We cleared it in about 15minsish its a very fun effective build and works well with Mark of Rodgort I used somthing similar in Shards of Oor Hard mode worked like a charm with Ether reneawl ele spam smite

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

10 Dec 2008 at 10:13 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by avisotin

Zhed

[air attunement][elemental attunement][chain lightning][lightning hammer][lightning orb][enervating charge][lightning javelin][resurrection signet]

I know dual attunement is generally a no-no, but it works well on Zhed because he can keep spamming 25e Lightning Hammer, non-stop. The reason why I dislike LHammer compared to something like Rodghort's is that it needs a target to finish. Rodgort will still be cast even if the target foe is already dead. LHammer will not.
And since Attunements give energy back once the cast is complete - it's not uncommon for the hero to lose massive amounts of energy due to making stupid casting choices.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

10 Dec 2008 at 10:26 - 18

I try to avoid projectile spells that require a line of sight because heroes suck at determining LoS and they dont know how to walk around an obstacle when using a projectile attack.

If you are going for a smiting build for your monk, this is what I used in Shards:

[build prof=Mo/Me ins=10 smi=11 div=10][Mantra of Inscriptions][Signet of Judgment][Reversal of Damage][Bane Signet][Castigation Signet][Smite Hex][Smite Condition][Rebirth][/build]

Disable Rebirth.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

10 Dec 2008 at 15:21 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by avisotin View Post

I keep Dunkoro as my healer and I bring Tahlk as a prot monk if the task requires it... never understood the need for mixed heal/prot builds.

If you're going pure healer then most of the time, save HB you're going to be running a lot more heals than you will need.

Quote: Originally Posted by -Lotus-

11 prot
11 heal
8 divine I personally prefer 12 Heal, 10 Prot, 8 Divine considering heroes are quite pathetic at protting, unless there's a breakpoint at 12 worth hitting. I don't really use Monk heroes but I know that bar is quite efficient.

Belonah15

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

11 Dec 2008 at 16:46 - 20

I think before I answer the question, I need to read some assumptions into your question.
- You ask for builds for Dunkoro and Zhed which means you do not have access to all the heroes and skills yet.
- You are going to use these heroes in a 1+7 (1 person and 7 hero/hench) team in normal campaign mode.

If the above are true I suggest:
- Use the 2 hench healers, 1 healer like Mhenlo and a protector like Kihm. At that stage in the campaign you normally do not have access to the skills that make decent builds for hero healers.
- Use your hero spots for damage dealing. Since you are a Wammo configure your heroes to be ranged attackers, and don't use Koss in your team. Use something like 2 ele and 1 ranger config.
- Configure Zhed with some spike damage skills from Fire or Air, and some decent e-management as you will want him to keep the pressure going on the mobs.

Lastly get Olias.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

11 Dec 2008 at 18:28 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daesu

rokocoko

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2008

15 Dec 2008 at 20:49 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

[word of healing][dwayna's kiss][signet of rejuvenation][aegis][shield of absorption][protective spirit][cure hex][glyph of lesser energy] I don't have EotN, so can you suggest something to choose instead of [cure hex]? Thanks.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

15 Dec 2008 at 21:12 - 23

Remove Hex.

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Napalm Flame

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

Crimson Butterflies [CB]

E/A

06 Jan 2009 at 20:02 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

2 heal/prot hybrids > 1 dedicated healer and 1 dedicated protter. LOLWRONG. One dedi prot with the most condition removal, and one prot/heal hybrid. That is how you do it.

-Lotus-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

06 Jan 2009 at 22:01 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Napalm Flame

LOLWRONG. no u

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distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

07 Jan 2009 at 09:44 - 26

Ok, here's the builds I use on my ele/monk heroes when I actually do use them:

[build prof=Mo/E divine=9+1 prot=9+1 Heal=12+1+1][WoH][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Shield of Absorption][Aegis][Cure Hex][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Divine Spirit][/build]

^pretty bloody standard.

[build prof=Mo/E divine=10+1 heal=8+1 prot=12+1+1][Aura of Faith][Gift of Health][Divine Healing][Shield of Absorption][Aegis][Deny Hexes][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Divine Spirit][/build]

^one I've been working with, I kinda like it.

For Zhed:

[build prof=E/Rt fire=12+1 Energy=12+1+2][Rodgort's Invocation][Immolate][Glowing Gaze][Teinai's Heat][Fire Attunement][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Death Pact Signet][/build]

[build prof=E/Rt fire=12+1+1 Energy=12+1][Savannah Heat][Teinai's Heat][Searing Heat][Liquid Flame][Glowing Gaze][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Fire Attunement][Death Pact Signet][/build]

OR

try nuking with Dunk:
[build prof=Mo/E Smite=12+1+1 Divine=12+1][Ray of Judgment][Reversal of Damage][Smite Condition][Smite Hex][Divine Healing][Smiter's Boon][Castigation Signet][Glyph of Lesser Energy][/build]

and protting/smiting with Zhed:
[build prof=E/Mo smiting=11 prot=6 Energy=12+1+2][Draw Condition][Smite hex][Mending Touch][protective spirit][Zealot's Fire][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Strength of Honor][/build]

BrettM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Fuzzy Physics Institute

07 Jan 2009 at 16:06 - 27

I've tried using [Divine Spirit] in monk hero builds, but they don't seem to use it well, so I no longer bother. GoLE seems to be enough for them, anyway, and they rarely have energy problems with that.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

08 Jan 2009 at 22:10 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill View Post

Condition removal is either a waste in PvE, the effect is strong enough for usage depending on the area or it has to be insanely powerful condition removal. Otherwise, you're wasting a skill slot. Same said about hex removal - Signet of Rejuvenation is much better, and Divine Spirit is horrible unless you've got some heavy recharge modifyer.

Quote: [build prof=Mo/E divine=10+1 heal=8+1 prot=12+1+1][Aura of Faith][Gift of Health][Divine Healing][Shield of Absorption][Aegis][Deny Hexes][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Divine Spirit][/build]

^one I've been working with, I kinda like it. Lack of Dismiss - the conditional heal is actually worth it when you're using Aura of Faith.

Quote: For Zhed:

[build prof=E/Rt fire=12+1 Energy=12+1+2][Rodgort's Invocation][Immolate][Glowing Gaze][Teinai's Heat][Fire Attunement][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Death Pact Signet][/build] Horrible. No utility, you've got Glowing Gaze, Ether Renewal AND Fire Attunement which is more than enough for just Rodgorts, Immolate and Teinai's and Aura of Restoration is bad unless you're running Infuse Health on an ER Prot.

Quote:

[build prof=E/Rt fire=12+1+1 Energy=12+1][Savannah Heat][Teinai's Heat][Searing Heat][Liquid Flame][Glowing Gaze][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Fire Attunement][Death Pact Signet][/build] Again, too much energy management, too little utility. If you're an Elementalist, at least bring some single form of usable utility, a ward or Splinter Weapon, all sorts of shit could be used.

Quote:

and protting/smiting with Zhed:
[build prof=E/Mo smiting=11 prot=6 Energy=12+1+2][Draw Condition][Smite hex][Mending Touch][protective spirit][Zealot's Fire][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Strength of Honor][/build] Lack of Spirit Bond, Aura of Restoration isn't worth it if you don't have Infuse, Smite Condition > Mending Touch, the bar will hurt on a heroes energy unless you bring a recharge modifyer for Ether Renewal.