My first example is just a solo potential situation: A player joins the opposite faction in for example Fort Aspenwood. He's there to confuse the enemy and plays unoticably bad increasing the chance his team will loose so his real faction buddies on the other side might benefit from this stealth behaviour.
My second example is an alliance where a guild creates new characters with low profiles, possibly by other accounts, so they're more covered in the role as spy. They mingle amongst other players at the opposing outpost and try to sabotage so their alliance mates on the other side can get easy wins and faction points. This would ofcourse require some good organisation and a dosis of luck I guess.
My last example would be farming faction at the jade quarry, where one of the alliance guilds start at the opposing faction camp and provide easy wins to their comrades.
Would this be theoretically possible? And would it be considered 'legal'? Did this already happen in the past? If so were there consequences?
Would infiltrating the opposite faction be considered a crime?
Gun Pierson
Parson Brown
Why all the intrigue? Just do what everyone else does, join the game and leave/leech. It's why FA kinda sucks (IMO).
Nightow
Yes, their character would have to serve time in a virtual jail.
I'd let that sink in and then say to myself, "It's just a game and different people have different ways of having fun."
As in the case of FA, a decent Luxon player might get tired of trying to win with less productive Luxons and instead join and "sabotage" the other side by laying ranger spirits down or something to mess them up.
I'd let that sink in and then say to myself, "It's just a game and different people have different ways of having fun."
As in the case of FA, a decent Luxon player might get tired of trying to win with less productive Luxons and instead join and "sabotage" the other side by laying ranger spirits down or something to mess them up.
The Red Messenger
of course its legal; you cant get banned or anything for it. the most you would get is dishonerable hex.
it IS, however, very bad sportsmanship. if such a thing exists in online games
it IS, however, very bad sportsmanship. if such a thing exists in online games
Bowstring Badass
Get 15 other people and leech JQ. 
No but seriously it is "legal" but dishonorable comes with a price....
No but seriously it is "legal" but dishonorable comes with a price....
Gun Pierson
Well in some games like 'eve', there's a part of the game designed for intrigues. The problem would be that GW isn't suited for this kinda gameplay atm as there is no game mechanism to control this behaviour, like for example methods to 'uncover the spy' which could get you a faction bonus or something.
MisterB
[Quicksand][Quickening Zephyr][Nature's Renewal][Tranquility][Frozen Soil][Muddy Terrain][Predatory Season][Edge of Extinction]
Play that bar, or something like it, and everyone will love you. And by love, I mean RAGE.
Play that bar, or something like it, and everyone will love you. And by love, I mean RAGE.
Zinger314
If you consider griefing a crime, I'd hate to see what you consider a crime in the real world.
The Meth
My cousin tried to go through kurzick lands to cap moebius strike, but the judge wouldn't have none of that. That shit will get you 30 to life.
FlamingMetroid
Yes, Isaiah Cartwright will come to your house and break your kneecaps if you do.
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[Quicksand][Quickening Zephyr][Nature's Renewal][Tranquility][Frozen Soil][Muddy Terrain][Predatory Season][Edge of Extinction]
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Yes, Isaiah Cartwright will come to your house and break your kneecaps if you do.
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Xx_Sorin_xX
is this a joke thread?
I mean honestly..what do you think is going to happen? Anet is going to ban your account for playing poorly?
I mean honestly..what do you think is going to happen? Anet is going to ban your account for playing poorly?
M'Aiq The Liar
[Arcane Echo][Iron Mist]
I've heard this is a good way to make Luxon friends on Aspenwood.
I've heard this is a good way to make Luxon friends on Aspenwood.
Eragon Zarroc
the incentive to do this is very low b/c its difficult to sync properly and the time wasted isn't worth the relatively small benefit
Dmitri3
There's always someone at FA who thinks he's smart and opens doors for his Luxon buddies when he's playing Kurzick.
But that's the nature of the random selection. RA, Aspen, AB even... You can't fix it without taking away all freedom from players and basically make the game one lined. Guess you just have to hope for no crime-doers in your party.
But that's the nature of the random selection. RA, Aspen, AB even... You can't fix it without taking away all freedom from players and basically make the game one lined. Guess you just have to hope for no crime-doers in your party.
Avarre
All of this doesn't really matter because the Alliance/Faction mechanics have no real impact on gameplay. You can hardly punish people for it.
Seloy Deparra
In GW Factions, The Luxons and Kurzicks are at war. During World War II, the Axis and Allies were at war. Didn't both the Axis and Allies used espionage and "dirty" tactics during those times? They did. In any other war that you know of, didn't both warring parties used some sort of "dirty" "unsportsmanlike" tactics?
In a role-playing-game like GW, I think that employing "dirty" tactics is just fine. The end justifies the means so to speak. Imo employing the tactics mentioned in the examples adds spice to the ever fun Luxon-Kurzick war.
In a role-playing-game like GW, I think that employing "dirty" tactics is just fine. The end justifies the means so to speak. Imo employing the tactics mentioned in the examples adds spice to the ever fun Luxon-Kurzick war.
maraxusofk
lolololol
factions is srs business.
factions is srs business.
pumpkin pie
crime hahaha crime.... lol
okay, i would think that would make a good game play. but, as of now, its just joining your opposing faction and not do anything and leech. Which is pretty bad IMHO. but no where near crime, but do not leech please .. thanks.
now, if arena net were to allow such play, but only one in a team, and when you click enter you have to click "enter as spy" and only one per team is allow, you will be group with a team of 3 opposing players, which means one of the original players from this team will be put into "the opposing party and they immediately can kill their team mate" once you are in the "playing field" if your team did not notice you are not one of them, you will be declare a spy and they will immediately be able to kill you.
okay, i would think that would make a good game play. but, as of now, its just joining your opposing faction and not do anything and leech. Which is pretty bad IMHO. but no where near crime, but do not leech please .. thanks.
now, if arena net were to allow such play, but only one in a team, and when you click enter you have to click "enter as spy" and only one per team is allow, you will be group with a team of 3 opposing players, which means one of the original players from this team will be put into "the opposing party and they immediately can kill their team mate" once you are in the "playing field" if your team did not notice you are not one of them, you will be declare a spy and they will immediately be able to kill you.
Laughing Bat
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In GW Factions, The Luxons and Kurzicks are at war. During World War II, the Axis and Allies were at war. Didn't both the Axis and Allies used espionage and "dirty" tactics during those times? They did. In any other war that you know of, didn't both warring parties used some sort of "dirty" "unsportsmanlike" tactics?
In a role-playing-game like GW, I think that employing "dirty" tactics is just fine. The end justifies the means so to speak. Imo employing the tactics mentioned in the examples adds spice to the ever fun Luxon-Kurzick war. |
The only way I'd support that kind of gameplay is if there was some way for the team your infiltraiting to retaliate other then /report. If it was incorperated into the gameplay it could be awesome.(the spy in team fortress 2 for example, can be killed by the enemy team while disguised.)
FlamingMetroid
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Laughing Bat
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I'm pretty sure you can say "jack ass" plainly without having to avoid a filter
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FlamingMetroid
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lol just trying to be somewhat kid friendly while still cursing. What can I say, I like to have my cake and eat it to, what else would you do with cake anyways?
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Laughing Bat
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oh man do I have some pictures for you
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Rhamia Darigaz
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lol just trying to be somewhat kid friendly while still cursing. What can I say, I like to have my cake and eat it to, what else would you do with cake anyways?
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Master Ketsu
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[Quicksand][Quickening Zephyr][Nature's Renewal][Tranquility][Frozen Soil][Muddy Terrain][Predatory Season][Edge of Extinction]
Play that bar, or something like it, and everyone will love you. And by love, I mean RAGE. |
Rothan Celt
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[Quicksand][Quickening Zephyr][Nature's Renewal][Tranquility][Frozen Soil][Muddy Terrain][Predatory Season][Edge of Extinction]
Play that bar, or something like it, and everyone will love you. And by love, I mean RAGE. |
and ive heard about this happning before and got accused for bringing muddy terrain when i was playing on the Kurz FA (when i only ever cast it when the turtles busted the first gate and if we held the purple amber mine then i would place it at the orange)
was kinda funny being called a spy
Abedeus
Instead of Predatory Season get Pestilence.
Because of the conditions Luxons like to use.
Because of the conditions Luxons like to use.
Shasgaliel
I saw it in JD quarry a lot. People starting game on one side and setting their secondary accounts to leech/block active slot on the other. I guess it happens in AB as well. I think it is just a part of the game. I would not call it a crime and I do not see any possible way to deal with that other than reporting leechers...
Crom The Pale
I ran as a kurzick to sabatoge them just for the fun of it once. I was running a war with [frenzy]+[healing signet] + armor from Ascalon and must have died about 50+ times 
No real harm done, but the Luxon's must have filled the screen with LoL's every time they saw me charge up and then stop to frenzyheal =)
No real harm done, but the Luxon's must have filled the screen with LoL's every time they saw me charge up and then stop to frenzyheal =)
farmerfez
wow you thought a lot about this didnt you...
Gun Pierson
In case some of you fruitcakes take the word 'crime' too seriously...No this topic is not about going to jail, it's about gameplay, gamemechanics and 'dirty' tactics. And how Anet might see and react to it.
In case of the ranger spirit build: I had a good laugh with that one, but I think people will catch you pretty soon.
The warrior build however has more chance as they will think you're a noob wammo and you might get away with it. They might indeed even laugh with you using frenzy + heal sig.
Echo + iron mist on Gunther would be hilarious. Even only mist for a monk/ele, they will think you went ele for the glyph of lesser energy.
A necromancer sacrificing himself to death while minions turn red might go undetected too if played well.
On a side note, a leecher has a different goal imo.
In case of the ranger spirit build: I had a good laugh with that one, but I think people will catch you pretty soon.
The warrior build however has more chance as they will think you're a noob wammo and you might get away with it. They might indeed even laugh with you using frenzy + heal sig.
Echo + iron mist on Gunther would be hilarious. Even only mist for a monk/ele, they will think you went ele for the glyph of lesser energy.
A necromancer sacrificing himself to death while minions turn red might go undetected too if played well.
On a side note, a leecher has a different goal imo.
TheDragonmaster
I love the ranger spirit bar. Two others that are equally loveable are the following (swap UA for Vengeance now that it's updated)...
Mo/E Judas Monk
Me/Mo L33THAX Mesmer
Mo/E Judas Monk
Me/Mo L33THAX Mesmer
Fril Estelin
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On a side note, a leecher has a different goal imo.
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I find it sad when I see ABers trying to screw a game for that kind of purpose. Selfish fun FTL.
Gun Pierson
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Yes but it's in the same class of "dirtyness". Spying/infiltrating is NOT fun. I know EVE players will disagree and it's their right, but then simply play EVE.
I find it sad when I see ABers trying to screw a game for that kind of purpose. Selfish fun FTL. |
I tried 'eve' via a trial key some time ago. Not my cup of tea, I didn't even get to the point where I could catch a glimp of the spy business. But like I said before, this game might indeed not be suitable, yet the opportunity is there. Not that I see an alliance pull this off on a large scale atm, especially non detected.
Anyway, I know what you mean and I understand your concerns.
Aldric
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In GW Factions, The Luxons and Kurzicks are at war. During World War II, the Axis and Allies were at war. Didn't both the Axis and Allies used espionage and "dirty" tactics during those times? They did. In any other war that you know of, didn't both warring parties used some sort of "dirty" "unsportsmanlike" tactics?
In a role-playing-game like GW, I think that employing "dirty" tactics is just fine. The end justifies the means so to speak. Imo employing the tactics mentioned in the examples adds spice to the ever fun Luxon-Kurzick war. |
ps TheDragonmaster , the Judas Monk looks like fun
Mikelenn
I find the idea of farming faction by syncing a group of "neeb" accounts into a faction gainer such as AB while having the accounts you WANT faction on on the other side rather amusing.
Wouldnt be a bad idea in an asian outpost, theyre always empty, shove twelve of your own "neeb" accounts on other side, the team you want the faction on on the other, resign the twelve "neeb" ones and BOOM faction
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Wouldnt be a bad idea in an asian outpost, theyre always empty, shove twelve of your own "neeb" accounts on other side, the team you want the faction on on the other, resign the twelve "neeb" ones and BOOM faction
Fril Estelin
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In this case the players play the game.
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IMHO that's something that the community has to deal with directly, encouraging constructive play (I won because I was better), rather than destructive (I won because I made you loose). Introducing rules or game features will only make things worse, firstly by suggesting to players to become spy while they would have never thought about it, secondly as it's going to move players away from creating and push them closer to the "dar side" (sorry for the caricature, I didn't meant it to be sounds like this).
As in life, there are very little rules that can be effective against this kind of behaviour, unless we start policing ourselves by sharing common values that go beyond our self-centered individuals. When winning becomes everything and you forget to look at the way you won, it's the door opened to all abuses.
the Puppeteer
cheating in a fixed fight? Thats reaaaly low...