DoA Eleway?

Nightow

Nightow

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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Hi, I'm hoping someone out there might be able to help me out with this.

Our alliance will be starting weekly DoA runs this week and since I first heard about it, I've been trying to do some research on team builds and such for DoA. I've read over many posts, and most of the build I have found usually involved buffed physicals or necros to do the dirty work while a 2 monk backline and 1 imbagon offer heals/prot and the other professions offer utility + buffs. The situation is that there seems to be a trend at who brings what professions to our get togethers. Usually we have 2 human monks, (which have been a godsend) 1 ranger for traps and pulling, I'm usually playing on my ritualist but in this case, I'll be sure to be on my imbagon and then the rest of the party purely consists of elementalists. So as you can see, we have no physicals besides the paragon and ranger and our main source of damage is from our elementalists.

Now I'll admit, I don't have much experience in DoA since (in my personal opinion) it's not exactly the best looking or most attractive spot in Guild Wars. In the end, I know I might just be worrying about nothing here but is there a way to get enough damage out of our elementalists in order to kill throughout all of the quests in DoA (yes, even to kill the radioactive monkey) while our backline tries to keep everyone alive?

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

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Join Date: Apr 2008

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[Cry of Pain]
^Maybe^

(I'm not experienced in DoA)

Nightow

Nightow

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive View Post
[Cry of Pain]
^Maybe^

(I'm not experienced in DoA) [Arcane echo][Cry of Pain][Lightbringer's Gaze] for a 300 point dmg spike per ele? Sounds like a good start. Thanks.

belladonna shylock

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Hey Mallyx [icU]

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I've done a few runs and I don't remember iway being apart of any builds..but...it relies on Cry of Pain for damage. Mesmer or ele seem to work well.

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

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Cryway, not iway...no relation to the warrior skill, people just tack -way onto established builds (spiritway, hexway, etc).

lordunicorn3

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2008

Paris

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i am not experineced at all here, but i think you can obby flesh tank it??

not sure, but i swear i have seen some builds like that

Borega

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Join Date: Dec 2007

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its funny 2 see that doa in the us doesnt seem 2 popular... evan in most parts of europe... in germany for some reasons doa is very popular!! bad thing is they play with teamspeak and talk in german so if u are not able 2 do so u have a problem. they get rly fast with running the doa (record in a nonsplit team is 54 min in HM) and they run cryway with mesmers and a bonder a bip and a assa or obsidian tank(wich is harder than the assa tank id say)
if u wanna run it with ur guild than i suggest u get fixed parts and start training. dont expect to be 2 fast at the start but its not that hard once u get into it. just tank and spank basically. caller and tank must be ppl who know what there doing rest is just following and trying 2 spike right.

Schmerdro

Schmerdro

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Canada

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I did Gloom and Stygian with 2 N/Mo, Imbagon, a warrior, 3 Searing Flames Elementalists, a Minion Master and it worked very well. The war can probably be replaced with another SF Ele. Just remember that you can't use enchantments, hexes, nor conditions against Mallyx.

Oh, and make that Ranger a Barrage + Splinter or Broad Head Arrow + Volley + Splinter. Traps suck ^_^

the Puppeteer

the Puppeteer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2007

one more link for cry of pain spam

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10327624

isamu kurosawa

isamu kurosawa

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Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

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Try running the eles with wards, snares and even air E/Me's that can spread blind+daze. Any extras can then pump out pve skills. Or get some of them to work on a new profession.

Or just be bored while playing and run cryway.

Nightow

Nightow

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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Originally Posted by Anime Divine View Post
you can go balanced way. its really not that hard.
u need imbagon earthshaker. 2 necro monks or real monks.(divert hexes/ WOH or HB rest u can build around it.

balanced way is fun takes some time not as fast as cryway.(really not) but definatly gives you an feeling you conquered Doa

Key is killing Things in order. but its a pain to get 6 human to attack same target at once cos its chaos in there but practice

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...Fast_Full_Runs
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10321473
Cool and thanks for the advice but we very rarely have a warrior join us, same with necros. Also, I did already check out those builds but they seem to rely on buffed physicals which we really don't have access to besides the ranger and my para.

Quote: Originally Posted by Borega View Post its funny 2 see that doa in the us doesnt seem 2 popular... evan in most parts of europe... in germany for some reasons doa is very popular!! bad thing is they play with teamspeak and talk in german so if u are not able 2 do so u have a problem. they get rly fast with running the doa (record in a nonsplit team is 54 min in HM) and they run cryway with mesmers and a bonder a bip and a assa or obsidian tank(wich is harder than the assa tank id say)
if u wanna run it with ur guild than i suggest u get fixed parts and start training. dont expect to be 2 fast at the start but its not that hard once u get into it. just tank and spank basically. caller and tank must be ppl who know what there doing rest is just following and trying 2 spike right. Yeah, we're not looking to beat any records and we know it'll probably take us a while to complete each section. (and even a couple re-do's too. )

I'd say it's probably not so popular due to it not being pug-able anymore. If that was intended for the area or not is off subject (IMO) but it also doesn't help that it's (again, IMO) one of the ugliest sections of all of Guild Wars! Can't wait for the reaction on vent once the Dreadspawn Maw starts opening up. xD

Quote: Originally Posted by Schmerdro View Post I did Gloom and Stygian with 2 N/Mo, Imbagon, a warrior, 3 Searing Flames Elementalists, a Minion Master and it worked very well. The war can probably be replaced with another SF Ele. Just remember that you can't use enchantments, hexes, nor conditions against Mallyx.

Oh, and make that Ranger a Barrage + Splinter or Broad Head Arrow + Volley + Splinter. Traps suck ^_^ lol, for most of GW I'd agree with traps sucking. If we don't go cryway, I'll most likely have the ranger run one of those 2 builds (Splinter Barrage or BHA/Volley/Splinter).

This does make me wonder though, with monsters in DoA being some thing like lvl28+ and minions somewhere around lvl 16, 17. just how much of a meat shield could they possibly be?

Another thing that's had me thinking all day is the effectiveness of [Searing Flames] in DoA. With Schmerdro and a few other people I've talked to it sounds like SF spam might be a decent alternative build to CoP/LB Gaze spamming just incase some of our team mates have slightly lower than avg. SS/LB ranks.

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Originally Posted by Raku Clayman View Post
This "balanced" team always worked for me.

DoA is fun. I've done it many times in the past and I've done it enough to get a few armbraces. It seems like the Ele build is susceptible to the "flavor of the month" builds more than others. I haven't tried this, yet, as a Cryway, but, I've done it many times as an SF Ele, a Savannah Heat Ele(my personal favorite) and, sorry to say, Ursan.
[Savannah Heat] spam just causes too much scatter for my liking.

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one more link for cry of pain spam

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10327624 Thank you!

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa View Post
Try running the eles with wards, snares and even air E/Me's that can spread blind+daze. Any extras can then pump out pve skills. Or get some of them to work on a new profession.

Or just be bored while playing and run cryway. Well, we'll have to get raw damage from somewhere. (Right?) If we have all the eles running utility like spreading weakness, blind, KD's, etc., I just don't see how we'll be able to kill effectively.

And yeah, I wouldn't mind being a part of one of those buffed physical team builds in DoA but we're trying to get this done on a couple of people's main characters.

Nightow

Nightow

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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Ok, so after considering the kind advice from people like IcyFiftyFive, Rothan Celt and Schmerdro I basically came up with two possible builds. The first one relying on Cryway and an alt. team build that is basically a SF spike, with a BSurge Ele in tow.

Two things to note real quick, these two builds were made in mind of clearing City of Torc'qua (cause it serves as a decent introduction), so no [Frigid Armor] on the eles. Also, "No skill" = Res or possibly [Lightbringer Signet], or whatever else might be helpful.

Cryway


Ranger bar might be a bit messed up since in the original Cryway ele build it was a [Visions of Regret] Me/Ranger but as it is right now, it offers an AoE hex and other skills to help boost the spike. I'm thinking [Illusion of Weakness] might be a bit overkill on the eles since we have 2 human monks + imbagon so might just switch those out for something else if needed. [Shell shock] is on the last ele bar to provide the CA to get DW from [chest thumper], might replace SS with [Lightning Orb].

SFway with BSurge Ele


Same backline here cause it seems to be the most effective. Ranger is now a BHA/Volley spammer with ice imp to slow down the mobs. [Storm Chaser] is there incase of a "WTF!?" moment, res can be changed for [rebirth] as a hard res. The Ebon Wards are there not just to help pump out more SF but also to help the monks keep Aegis chained. I put [Air of Superiority] on the two eles with MS since by the time MS would have normally recharged, the recharge bonus from AoS would have most likely triggered. On the BSurge ele, GDW is there to be spammed on the ranger, Shell Shock once again to help pump out the DW coming from Chest Thumper and the Summon Djinn for moar burning!

If you have any constructive criticism, advice or skill recommendations, please feel free comment. I'll be sure to post our results sometime on Saturday.

Borega

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Join Date: Dec 2007

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@ first build u posted:

note that the enchants that the eles take are not taken because of there effect but for the ether renewal and therefor for e-managment.... and the VoR on the ranger is taken because this build is orig. made as a cryway with tank and cryers. look at some threads where the way this is plaid is explained. i think u miss the point there. u lack a mass hex and a tank on ur builds i think.
as u seem 2 have alot of eles consider taking a elebonder... this makes things sooo much easier.

Nightow

Nightow

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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Originally Posted by Borega View Post
@ first build u posted:

note that the enchants that the eles take are not taken because of there effect but for the ether renewal and therefor for e-managment....
Ok, that makes sense. I just thought that there might be a better enchantment in place of IoW.

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Originally Posted by Borega View Post
and the VoR on the ranger is taken because this build is orig. made as a cryway with tank and cryers.
Ok, it sounds like we might be not be running Cryway in the end but I'll be sure to have the ranger change his elite if we do go with Cryway.

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look at some threads where the way this is plaid is explained. i think u miss the point there. u lack a mass hex and a tank on ur builds i think. Ok, but...
a)We don't have access to a sin tank.
b)We could make one of the eles an obby tank (I think) but then that would cut into our spiking potential.

And on a personal note, I despise teambuilds with "tanks".


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Originally Posted by Borega View Post
as u seem 2 have alot of eles consider taking a elebonder... this makes things sooo much easier. 2 human monks + 1 (r8 Luxon) imbagon should really be enough in terms of defense I would think.

Borega

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Join Date: Dec 2007

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ok... note another few things. i assume u have looked at the city(this is the area u wanna clear right??) 2 human monks and an imbagon should do with the def part but note that u dont have any frontline... the mobs will just run past ur paragon and there will be chaos. cryway only works because of the spike effect it has. this means all ppl charge at the same time big dmg and so on u know the deal i guess. well spiking in an effective way is only possible if the mobs are pulled on 2 a spot or at least into an area where cry of pain hits all targets. u could ofc just spike down all mobs in singel but u will have the problem that it takes ages and the dmg will overrun u for sure.
u say u have the problem that u dont have a sin tank. well sin tanks make things easy but ur paragon could tank as an obsi tank. this is not as easy but it works.
in addition i would like to put some focus on the new Peace and Harmony. its OP imo and should fit in rly well here.
if u rly dont want 2 take any tanking person along than think about 1 or 2 minion masters (new aura of the lich on one and shaged bones or whats it called on the other) but u must warn u: minions fall like nothing down there and u will have major problems with bigger mobs.
keep on telling us how u guys do. rly wanna know^^

Nightow

Nightow

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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Last night was a blast. We ended up taking something similar to the second build into The City of Torc'qua. P&H did help out immensely with the hexes being thrown at us. We did run into some issues with our back line getting pressured by the warriors and our eles had to regen after each battle for a couple of moments be we did alright.

Next up, Stygian Veil.

Borega

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nice 2 hear that u had fun. i guess u did all that in nm and not in hm. well let me tell u vail is hard. the hungers there are bad ass touchers and the rest isnt easy. prot is nearly useless (touchers...) and u have big mob grps... u will need some kind of tank there OR u are rly good with spikes but i dont think that is is evan possible without a tank but iam looking forward 2 hear from u.
btw how long did u need for the city and how did the last grp (with jadoth) go??

Anime Divine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

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so have you done doa yet
you can contact me ingame always looking for new friends who do doa.
im a war so 1 war 1 imba is really enough. monk can be heroes too.

IGN: Anime Divine.

edit:nvm the question still lookin for friends to do doa
have some good exp now with balanced way. as i have done them with heroes. and paragon buddy.

@borega city is done in 25 min nm no cons.

Nightow

Nightow

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Originally Posted by Borega View Post
nice 2 hear that u had fun. i guess u did all that in nm and not in hm. well let me tell u vail is hard. the hungers there are bad ass touchers and the rest isnt easy. prot is nearly useless (touchers...) and u have big mob grps... u will need some kind of tank there OR u are rly good with spikes but i dont think that is is evan possible without a tank but iam looking forward 2 hear from u.
btw how long did u need for the city and how did the last grp (with jadoth) go??
Yes, NM because of all the new people to DoA who were unfamiliar with it in general. Yes, we know it's hard cause after clearing City (which took us roughly 45min to 1 hour cause of a near wipe cause of patrols inside the city; Jadoth's group was a breeze) we ventured slightly into veil. One of our eles tried taking on a couple of the touchers there and quickly found out just how hard they hit.

I'm thinking of making one of our eles run something like this: [build=OgpjksM7KOajvq0vUkKaFqX2L] while our ranger brings [symbiosis] to bring the tank's hp well over 1k. Maybe add one or two monk enchants.

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Originally Posted by Anime Divine View Post
so have you done doa yet
you can contact me ingame always looking for new friends who do doa.
im a war so 1 war 1 imba is really enough. monk can be heroes too.

IGN: Anime Divine.

edit:nvm the question still lookin for friends to do doa
have some good exp now with balanced way. as i have done them with heroes. and paragon buddy.

@borega city is done in 25 min nm no cons. Yes, we did City Friday night but if we ever have any openings, I'll keep you in mind.

Borega

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Yes, NM because of all the new people to DoA who were unfamiliar with it in general. Yes, we know it's hard cause after clearing City (which took us roughly 45min to 1 hour cause of a near wipe cause of patrols inside the city; Jadoth's group was a breeze) we ventured slightly into veil. One of our eles tried taking on a couple of the touchers there and quickly found out just how hard they hit.

I'm thinking of making one of our eles run something like this: [build=OgpjksM7KOajvq0vUkKaFqX2L] while our ranger brings [symbiosis] to bring the tank's hp well over 1k. Maybe add one or two monk enchants.



Yes, we did City Friday night but if we ever have any openings, I'll keep you in mind. lettin an ele tank is a good idea but i must warn u: golems in veil steal enchants with there attacs and with 5 or more golems in one grp they easy strip down the entire chants from ur tank and the touchers will do the rest!! gotta be fast on thatone!!! in addition to that some of the mobs there (forgot their names) use choking gas wich has the negetive side effect that ur ele will not be able to get one skill casted... i recomend taking the glyphe of concentration with ya for obsi flesh (which wont be up all time then due to the lack of an essence or smth). all in nall itll be a bitch but have fun^^ (if u take symbioses with ya might wanna think about eoe 2 its a good thing down there)

Nightow

Nightow

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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lol, man o' man was last night a hoot. We decided on forgetting the idea of tanking the buggers and instead, used the ol' trap and nuke scenario. It worked most of the time unless some popups got the better of us. Had a couple of near wipes and one semi-forced split that had us on our toes.

We'll most likely do the same for Gloom if we can get past the part in the cave.