A new Rt MM?

ajc2123

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

North of the wall

Me/

So there was a Rt MM before, but with the new update to [Aura of the Lich] I think the rt has the most opportunity with it and not the Necro due to a couple of skills. However I am tempted to say the good ol N/rt MM is still better but...I dunno. What do you guys think?

Here is a sample build with 14 spawning and 12 death
[Aura of the Lich][Boon of Creation][Explosive Growth][Animate Bone Minions][Blood of the Master][Death Nova][Infuse Condition][Resurrection Signet]

Pros: Massive damage + health + energy if using lich at the right time (lots of corpses?)
Spawning power health, even though its not that much.
Hero's spamming Death nova are always good.
Others?

Cons: Minions themselves wont do as much damage with lower levels
Not sure if hero's use Lich in opportune times.
Lack of Channeling spells like [Splinter Weapon][Ancestors Rage], but can be used on another character.
Others?

What is your opinion? For heros and humans

Carboplatin

Carboplatin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

[PIG]

W/A

only downside is inorder for the [aura of the lich] and [explosive growth] combo to do its job, half the group has to be dead already.

but still a fun combo.

SirSporks

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2008

michigan

[THCS]

E/

the point of going with rt/n for a mm is to make them do there damage when you summon them or when they die. The point of a N/any MM is to have a hearty group of body blockers that deal modest damage.

I personally like Rt/N better for faster damage in a phys heavy group. In a caster heavy group i would rather have the meat shield to hide behind.

really depends on your play style, but i like the Rt primary for a MM :-D

The Arching Healer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]

is fun skill for x/n

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

Imho, Dump [Infuse condition] for [Spirit's Gift] and [Blood of The Master] for [Animate Shambling Horror] and you are good to go.

xanarot

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

[GoE]

R/

problem is AotL gives 1 minion/corpse, Animate Bone Minions gives 2/corpse, which causes the use of AotL over ABM to actually reduce the effect of the Rt skills.


The new AotL is a replacement for the old MM elite, jagged bones, since that +1 death magic raises the bone minion's level from 11 to 12 (provided you were using 14 death trough rune/headpiece) along with a free bone horror every recast.

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

N/

Last night I made a different build:

[Aura of the Lich][Animate Bone Minion][Explosive Growth][Spirit's Gift][Boon of Creation][Weapon of Shadow][Death Nova][Death Pact Signet]

Death: 12
Spawning: 12+1+1
Restoration: 3+1

Reasoning for the skills that are not in the OP's build:
[Spirit's Gift] gives party healing (if nearby enemies)
[Weapon of Shadow] is the perfect bane for attackers on a non-16 Death MM, can be switched with [Warmonger's Weapon] when dealing with a lot of casters.
[Death Pact Signet], obvious, a perma rez.

Shadowmere

Shadowmere

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Grim Squeakers [REAP]

N/

the new AotL is definetly good for Rt/N but as has been said unless there's a lot of corpses and still living foes it probably won't be quite as useful as the old one.

Alternatively I see AotL being useful for N/any MMs due to the ability to get an army going much faster (and the fact that you can summon one without a corpse)


Ironicly however, I've heard [signet of ghostly might] affects minions now. If it's not a bug/dosen't get fixed we'll have Rits using necro elites and Necros using Rit elites

ajc2123

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

North of the wall

Me/

I never give my hero's a perma rez, only because It's much easier If I carry one. It's just a lot easier for me to run away then flag hero's away.

Also Resurrection signet is and always has been the best rez to get right back into the battle in my opinion. Cept for maybe sunspear rebirth sig, which takes up a pve slot however.

But I will absolutely give it spirits gift now. I don't know how i missed that the first time around. Coupled with my healers dwaynas sorrow, it should make an interesting pair.

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

N/

I'd say Unyeilding Aura with the literally 0 cast rez is the best to get back into the fight. Especially on heroes (which maintain it so more healing while it's on them too). But that takes up a elite slot and is for monk, so there are downsides. But Resurrection signet also has downsides.

Grey_Ghost

Grey_Ghost

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

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Originally Posted by Shadowmere View Post
Ironicly however, I've heard [signet of ghostly might] affects minions now. If it's not a bug/dosen't get fixed we'll have Rits using necro elites and Necros using Rit elites If only they would move that to Spawning Power and intentionally allow it to effect "summoned creatures"... that would be quite nice.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grey_Ghost View Post
If only they would move that to Spawning Power and intentionally allow it to effect "summoned creatures"... that would be quite nice. As communing, it could be used by N/Rt MM at ~10 spec as easier to use and less suicidal (= hero-usable) version of OoU.

ajc2123

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

North of the wall

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin View Post
I'd say Unyeilding Aura with the literally 0 cast rez is the best to get back into the fight. Especially on heroes (which maintain it so more healing while it's on them too). But that takes up a elite slot and is for monk, so there are downsides. But Resurrection signet also has downsides. Right...I forgot about that. I lied, This AND Rez signet (not on the same bar!) are the best rezzes imo. I use unyeilding on a hero and haven't regreted it ever. Although thats the only rez my monks EVER get.

I played that build in a mission with an EXTREME amount of corpses. It's ok. But honestly, unless you are loaded with a shitload of corpses in a single area, I still think jagged bomber is more effective. I guess my Xandra will need something else to focus on.

Oh an BTW, hero's cast it like any other summon, they wait for a corpse, they don't wait for multiple corpses. So that further limits its ability unless, like stated before, lots of corpses. Like Vizunah square.

Nightow

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

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Originally Posted by ajc2123
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...So that further limits its ability unless, like stated before, lots of corpses. Like Vizunah square. Only issue with this I see is where you start to use up too many corpses.

At 12+1 DM, you can only control 8 minions (kind of makes the +1 from AotL pointless IMO) but let's say you have over 7 corpses within range. In the case of Viz Square, you could have well over 10 corpses which can be used not only for minions but also for creating wells. As the corpses start to build up, you'll soon start wasting more and more.

In the end, I'd probably go with something like Azazel The Assassin's build (sans res and maybe the weapon spells) but, I'd be sure to micro AotL and try to use it when it would be most efficient.

Grey_Ghost

Grey_Ghost

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
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As communing, it could be used by N/Rt MM at ~10 spec as easier to use and less suicidal (= hero-usable) version of OoU. Which is why I assume they want it to be spirit only. My wishy way would be a boon to the Rt/N with minions.

Nightow

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grey_Ghost View Post
If only they would move that to Spawning Power and intentionally allow it to effect "summoned creatures"... that would be quite nice. Move WoA to spawning first please!
[Spirit's Strength]

ajc2123

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

North of the wall

Me/

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Originally Posted by Nightow View Post
Only issue with this I see is where you start to use up too many corpses.

At 12+1 DM, you can only control 8 minions (kind of makes the +1 from AotL pointless IMO) but let's say you have over 7 corpses within range. In the case of Viz Square, you could have well over 10 corpses which can be used not only for minions but also for creating wells. As the corpses start to build up, you'll soon start wasting more and more.

In the end, I'd probably go with something like Azazel The Assassin's build (sans res and maybe the weapon spells) but, I'd be sure to micro AotL and try to use it when it would be most efficient. The way it is hindered, is that the build focuses on huge aoe Damage from corpses and AotL, which means if theres only one corpse, its not going to be effective. However if there are say 10 corpses, thats 10 AoE damages PLUS the health and energy gained from the other rit skill.

The fact that the hero uses it as soon as they can (provided tehres a corpse, otherwise they wont even summon 1 horror) means that you could be using up minions just as fast as the older one with just the one summon, making it no more effective.

Bargamer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Rt/N

With my modified Sabway, including multiple copies of Death Nova, and two "MMs", this should own in Vizunah Square. Remember that when you go over your Minion Cap with an Animate or other spell, the oldest minions are force-killed first, so if they all have Death Nova on...