Wastrel's Collapse!

Bobby2

Bobby2

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2007

Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards

[MaSS]

W/E

It's unlinked! It's cheap! Rip on this and post your own, you know the drill.

[iron [email protected]][falling [email protected]][horns of the [email protected]][falling lotus [email protected]][twisting [email protected]][wastrel's collapse][scorpion [email protected]][empty]

Optional either [resurrection signet] or [dash] depending on format.

EDIT: intended for AB or RA, in case anyone has to make snotty remarks about this being a PvE forum

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

[wastrel's collapse][falling lotus strike][twisting fangs][golden phoenix strike][horns of the ox][falling spider][blades of steel][flurry]

HAHAHAIMAKEYOUBURNINHELL

Oh, and er, yeah, an ally brings Strength of Honour for you.

O-D-O-D-O-D OWNZZZZZZZZ

moriz

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

[wastrel's collapse][falling spider][horns of the ox][falling lotus strike][blades of steel][tiger stance][impale][dash]

that's currently posted as my guild's announcement.

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

I have 3 builds.
1.Wastrels
2. Off hand
3. Dual
4. off hand
5. Dual
6. Off hand
7. Dual
8. IAS.

Second build
1.Wastrels Collapse
2. Tiger Stance
3. Arcane Echo
4. Flourish
5. Off hand
6. Dual
7. Offhand
8. Dual.

Third build.
1. Wastrels
2. Unsuspecting Strike
3. Mantis Touch
4. Trampling Ox
5. Falling Spider/ Falling Lotus Strike
6. Twisting Fangs
7. Bulls Strike/Disrupting Dagger/ Dash/ Flurry
8, Res Sig/ one of the above/condition removal

bartj??

bartj??

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Scions of Carver [SCAR]

E/

[QUOTE=ensoriki;4398966]
Second build
1.Wastrels Collapse
2. Tiger Stance
3. Arcane Echo
4. Flourish
5. Off hand
6. Dual
7. Offhand
8. Dual.
[QUOTE]

How were you planning to use flourish + Arcane echo? and second flourish and wastrels are both elite so I think flourish should be removed^^

My build :

Wastrels Collapse
Falling spider
Horns of the ox
Falling lotus
Nine tale Strike
Sharpen daggers
Conjure Frost/Flame/Air
Ress sig

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

[wastrel's collapse][falling lotus strike][twisting fangs][golden phoenix strike][blades of steel][holy veil][mending touch][resurrection signet]

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

^ yeah it's a PITA.

and since RA is so spammy, WC fails sometimes... bah, palm strike pwns it any way

sheeptoken

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2008

i like blades of steel with this on the 2nd chain. Mine goes as following:

Wastrel's Collapse
Falling Spider
Twisting Fangs
Leaping Mantis Sting
Wild Strike
Blades of Steel
Restful Breeze
Rez Signet (or Dash when in AB)

Stealth Bomberman

Stealth Bomberman

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2008

[wastrels collapse]

I run this in AB everytime. compared to current meta [palm strike] sins, this skill takes the cake as one of my fav. does any1 else use it?

EDIT: skill descp. is wrong on skill icon ^^.

update: Shadow Step to target foe. If that foe is not using a skill, that foe is knocked down. All your non-dagger attack skills are disabled for 10 seconds.

Vallisahllirium

Vallisahllirium

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

A/W

Mine is:
1.falling spider
2.vampiric assault
3.impale
4.toxic shock
5.scorpion wire
6.wastrels collapse
7.shadow refuge
8.dash

deals really nice dmg (mostly armor ignoring as you can see), and was suprised how scorpion wire is actually cool skill
btw 14 deadly arts is must

Luminarus

Luminarus

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

Haze of Light [pure]

R/

WC is so gud imo. With it I can reliably take down pretty much anything, and can even escape other types of sins. When a palm strike runs towards you, run away as their using PS, then WC the noob

Luminarus

Luminarus

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

Haze of Light [pure]

R/

I run this in AB/JQ/FA and sometimes RA (put in rez for sdh, or swap bos+impale for twisting fangs)

[Wastrels Collapse][Falling
[email protected]][Horns of the [email protected]][Golden Phoenix [email protected]][Blades of [email protected]][[email protected]][Conjure [email protected]][Storm Djinn's [email protected]]

Dagger = 11+1+1
Crit = 8+1
Deadly = 3+1
Air = 11

Very fun, and very effective. Not as fast as other W/C builds, and cant quaterknock. However it has the advantage of being able to complete a chain if WC fails, and can put out a full chain, and a non deep wound chain in between WC recahrges.

jayce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

N/

Wastrel's Collaspe+Tiger Stance
Unsupecting Strike
Falling Lotus
Horns Of The Ox
Falling Spider
Twisting Fangs

Just don't screw up with Wastrel or target selection and your target shouldn't even touch you until after you have landed Spider.



Jayce Of Underworld

Morgoth the dark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

[CDEX]

R/

[wastrel's collapse][falling spider][mark of instability][twisting fangs][falling lotus strike][blades of steel][frenzy][dash]

that's it.

cerick

cerick

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2008

USA

W/A

Has everyone lost their will to flame? Even peoples responses to Ensoriki’s laughable post have been reasonable. Is it because the game is near dead? Where is the usual “I don’t care if it works for you, your stupid, my way is much better because I use one different skill.” talk? Well I’m just going to have to fake flame since people are really letting me down.

1)Why don’t you have an IAS, my God man!
2)My IAS is better than yours, my God man!
3)Why do you have so many KDs, my God man!
4)Why don’t you have more KDs, my God man!
5)This build can be so easily defeated with my God like ability to use the one interrupt I usually bring.
6)This build can be so easily defeated by that monk I cry to get before every match, my God man!

But seriously I like the build Bobby; in AB I really like having a KD machine in the group. I have to add this one suggestion just too possibly make this post-worthy. I would personally make one minor tweak, and I stress the word minor. Change out the Deadly Arts rune, for a Critical Strikes rune. I originally had thoughts of doing this (and shifting attribute points) in order for a re-chained opponent to possibly have deep wound still applied. But that won’t happen without serious tweaking, and is probably a moot point. But IMO since deadly arts really doesn’t give you much for this build, tweaking up Critical Strikes would give you more bang for your buck especially since weakness skills are well in use these days.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

shove > wastrel's collapse imo cuz its mor manly x:

shutdownmesmer

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2009

Warrior of Peace [WAR]

E/D

i like all this display of wastrel's collapse builds, but I have a question: who do you want to kill with them? Personally, i play with sins to kill monks fast. Lets say that wastrel's collapse worked on a monk. So what??? Almost all the monks in RA (at least the good ones) are Mo/W and have +2 blocking stances. You kd him, the monk instantly puts a stance or worst, the shield bash and... all your chain is useless. Then the monks gets up, carefully wipes out the dust of his clothes and... puts something like guardian.Personally, i like skills like [Palm Strike], [Rigor Mortis], [Wild Blow], [Impale], [Iron Palm], [Dancing Daggers], [Shock] and some devastating dagger attacks just at the right time (when the monk is so scared that forgot to block), like [Twisting Fangs]
Yeah. [wild blow] is so worth it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath View Post
Tbh SA sins are the most annoying to face and i have no idea why they aren't played more Unblockability is fearsome. But they commonly lack a snare of their own, and are restricted to sucky Shadow Steps.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Good monks dont get scared, dont rely on this for you build.

Lusciious

Lusciious

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2009

I'm from Singapore but i live in Shanghai ATM

Order of [Thay]

N/

BB > WC. but there are some pretty good WC builds here which are devastating if the chain is completed but relying on WC and HoTO for the spike isn't good ..

Kyosuki

Kyosuki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

A/

I noticed all of you use Horns Of Ox,isn't pretty useless since it wont work if your ennemy is near there allies(which 90% of the time,they are)
QFT.

Cue random tangent:

Rangers are minority enough for me to ignore and to be honest 99% of the time I can say "Guys...ranger in the group, not taking that target" and someone else takes care of them while I deal to the monk or nuker.

Rock, paper, scissors.

gg

Easier to call and communicate than take anti-block skills at the sacrifice of instagib and "just in case".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman View Post
[horns of the ox] adjacent. in AB that's......never? If your one of the sins that takes off solo to gank 24/7.

Good luck helping cap the ele shrine.

I seldom run Horns anymore (stopped after the nerf tbh) because your basically saying you want to gank, not cap, and tbh there are better bars that do both, with better DPS and have less conditions to complete the chain.

Ganking is great fun.

In AB it = fail unless you can both gank and cap assist at speed.

I see to many Sins running around thinking they "pwn" AB when really they add little to the team as they run pure 1v1 gank 1234567 skill chains and are nullified in capping due to conditional attacks.

Leave that in RA imo.

Kyosuki

Kyosuki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

A/

Help =(
Trying to find a build around WC without the use of Horns of Ox...
I came up with this for now,pretty lame,anyone know a WC build with no Horns of Ox?
Wastrel Collapse
Failling Lotus
Iron Palm
Failling Spider
Twisting Fangs
Blades Of Steel
Shadow Refuge
Dash

Lusciious

Lusciious

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2009

I'm from Singapore but i live in Shanghai ATM

Order of [Thay]

N/

@kyosuki, yeah . i like this . [wastrel's collapse][scorpion wire][flurry][black mantis thrust][jungle strike][trampling ox][falling lotus strike][twisting fangs]

use scorpion wire as a hex for the crippling bonus from [black mantis thrust] and as an anti kite. and if [wastrel's collapse] is timed properly, this build should work without a problem.

moriz

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

100' is longbow range. or at least, pretty close to it.
What moriz said, basically.

Ganking nuker going after your shrine = effective shrine defense
Ganking rupt mesmer/ranger going after your nuker = effective cap assist

Quote: Originally Posted by fireflyry View Post Rangers are minority enough for me to ignore and to be honest 99% of the time I can say "Guys...ranger in the group, not taking that target" and someone else takes care of them while I deal to the monk or nuker.

Rock, paper, scissors.

gg

Easier to call and communicate than take anti-block skills at the sacrifice of instagib and "just in case". Our experiences may differ. The presence of Rangers alone would warrant me packing stance removal (communication in AB is minimal unless you're with friends anyway), Monks relying on D-Stance or Dark Escape are just gravy. Your "just in case" is my "every damn match".


Quote: Originally Posted by fireflyry View Post If your one of the sins that takes off solo to gank 24/7. Guilty as charged. When the team I'm in contains a nuker (usually) and they have a free ride to the next shrine, my role is no more than a body to turn the shrine after it's wiped. I can commonly nab a nuker or a straggler or two in the time it takes for the rest of the team to turn that shrine without me and reach the next, ultimately having a greater influence on the outcome of the battle.

Besides, Assassins were made for 1v1 situations (or better). Anyone set on sticking with their team 24/7 would imho be better off playing a Hammer War.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fireflyry View Post
Good luck helping cap the ele shrine. I feel I am. What was your alternative, try to Blossom them to death?

Quote:
Originally Posted by fireflyry View Post
I seldom run Horns anymore (stopped after the nerf tbh) because your basically saying you want to gank, not cap, and tbh there are better bars that do both, with better DPS and have less conditions to complete the chain. I always try to include an Ox in any chain I run, currently both (yes, I'm a PS wh0re, but that's off-topic). For me, that's [horns of the ox] over [blades of steel], so clearly I don't mind the loss of DPS - KDs are powerful enough in 1v1 situations but with allies around to capitalize on them they become simply devastating. And none (save Rangers perhaps) are more adept at picking their fights than Assassins.

ac1inferno

ac1inferno

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Boston

We D Shot Your Stances [GODS]

A/W

1. [build prof=A/W Dagger=12+1+1 crit=12+1][flurry][wastrel's collapse][falling spider][Horns of the ox][falling lotus strike][twisting fangs][optional][optional][/build]
- [[Return]
- [[Death's Retreat]
- [[Dash]
- [[Assassin's Remedy]
- [[Blades of Steel] and [[Impale] instead of [[Twisting Fangs].
- Consider an alternative IAS, such as [[Frenzy] or [[Tiger Stance].
- /E secondary and [[Shock], this changes the build from a spike to a pressure build.

2. [build prof=A/W DaggerMastery=12+1+1 CriticalStrikes=12+1][Wastrel's Collapse][Optional][Unsuspecting Strike][Fox Fangs][Horns of the Ox][Falling Lotus Strike][Twisting Fangs][resurrection signet][/build]
- [[
[email protected]], [[Flurry], [[Frenzy] (only use without a [[Resurrection Signet]).
- [[Dash] over [[Resurrection Signet] outside of RA.
- Drop [[Fox Fangs] if you have a team which can cripple your opponents, in which case take [[Jungle Strike].

3. [build prof=assas/any dagger=10+1 critic=8 Deadlyarts=12+1+1][Wastrel's Collapse][Falling Spider][Vampiric Assault][Impale][Signet Of Toxic Shock][Optional][Dash][Resurrection Signet][/build]
- [[Iron Palm] (extra KD)
- [[Dancing Daggers] (a spam skill for the down time)
- [[Disrupting Dagger] (Interrupt)
- Swap [[Twisting Fangs] for [[Vampiric assault] and add [[Signet of Deadly Corruption].
- An IAS like [[Tiger Stance]
- Enchantment Removal like [[Rip Enchantment] or [[Rend Enchantments]
- [[Horns of the Ox] for more KD lock.
- A self preservation skill such as [[Return] or [[Feigned Neutrality].
- [[Mending Touch] for condition removal.

fireflyry

fireflyry

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

New Zealand

A/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by moriz View Post
so i herd preventing opposition from capping is just as important as capping yourself. every caster ganked is one less shrine that your side will have to cap.
Ummm....yeah....I already said that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fireflyry View Post
QFT.
In AB it = fail unless you can both gank and cap assist at speed.
My point was you can do both, with out depending on non-adjacency to garner KD or complete a spike.

Win/Win.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby2 View Post Our experiences may differ. The presence of Rangers alone would warrant me packing stance removal (communication in AB is minimal unless you're with friends anyway), Monks relying on D-Stance or Dark Escape are just gravy. Your "just in case" is my "every damn match". Fair call.

I guess I just prefer a more powerful chain and target switching.

Each to their own.