200ecto for zaishen medallion in trade channel?
dr love
Someone was buying a zaishen medallion for 200ecto in Kamadan. At that price you know something is going on. maybe a crazy scavenger hunt? any ideas?
phan
Collectables ; people have played over 10k hours .. have mass gold or bought it on ebay well thats what they use it for i guess
Daenara
It was either a scam, or sarcasm. If it's too good to be true...
zwei2stein
There is this scam:
Person A: WTB (useless, but rare junk) for shitload of money
Person B: WTS (useless, but rare junk) for a bit less than shitload of money, usually in different disctricts / cities
Scammee surfing district looking for deals or to spamdvertise: If I am fast enough i can make nice profit by buying from B and delivering to A. Proceeds to buy from B, PMs to A, A replies that he already got just second ago from someone else.
A and B then share profit and Scamee usually does not even think he was scammed, he just thinks he was too late.
Person A: WTB (useless, but rare junk) for shitload of money
Person B: WTS (useless, but rare junk) for a bit less than shitload of money, usually in different disctricts / cities
Scammee surfing district looking for deals or to spamdvertise: If I am fast enough i can make nice profit by buying from B and delivering to A. Proceeds to buy from B, PMs to A, A replies that he already got just second ago from someone else.
A and B then share profit and Scamee usually does not even think he was scammed, he just thinks he was too late.
Lyynyyrd
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
There is this scam:
Person A: WTB (useless, but rare junk) for shitload of money Person B: WTS (useless, but rare junk) for a but less than shitload of money, usually in different disctricts / cities Scammee surfing district looking for deals or to spamdvertise: If I am fast enough i can make nice profit by buying from B and delivering to A. Proceeds to buy from B, PMs to A, A replies that he already got just second ago from someone else. A and B then share profit and Scamee usually does not even think he was scammed, he just thinks he was too late. |
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd
I've made a boatload of money doing this (we call it shill bidding here at Guru), and it's REAL hard to do nowadays... Three years later, the Guild Wars community has finally come to understand it.
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And zwei2stein, you don't need 2 people, simply 2 accounts.
TideSwayer
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
There is this scam:
Person A: WTB (useless, but rare junk) for shitload of money Person B: WTS (useless, but rare junk) for a bit less than shitload of money, usually in different disctricts / cities Scammee surfing district looking for deals or to spamdvertise: If I am fast enough i can make nice profit by buying from B and delivering to A. Proceeds to buy from B, PMs to A, A replies that he already got just second ago from someone else. A and B then share profit and Scamee usually does not even think he was scammed, he just thinks he was too late. |
I only ask because I've seen this a LOT over the years and still see it enough that I always wonder. The dumbest items used as the bait or a really insane WTB price is a dead giveaway (plus party A's ignorance of everyone else's "party B is selling it for less than you WTB. Either buy that or lower your price to it, scammer"). I've simply never known how much ANet is interested in policing this type of BS scam.
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Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd
I've made a boatload of money doing this (we call it shill bidding here at Guru), and it's REAL hard to do nowadays... Three years later, the Guild Wars community has finally come to understand it.
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Chocobo1
Wow none of you pussys played D2 did you? You get your shit scammed and it's your own fault, there was no /report function, no lame verbal abuse report because someone called you trash for using echo mending it was just learn from your mistakes. Seriously, nothing is going to teach you better than the knowledge that no one is looking out for you but yourself.
Tough love <3.
Tough love <3.
makosi
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Originally Posted by TideSwayer
Is this a reportable offense?
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This is where people start saying, "omg if u fall for that, u deserve to get scammzored." I agree that it is naive to fall for the trap but that doesn't mean it's acceptable behaviour on the scammer's behalf.
Faith in GW population -1.
TideSwayer
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Originally Posted by Chocobo1
Wow none of you pussys played D2 did you? You get your shit scammed and it's your own fault, there was no /report function, no lame verbal abuse report because someone called you trash for using echo mending it was just learn from your mistakes. Seriously, nothing is going to teach you better than the knowledge that no one is looking out for you but yourself.
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Don't act like I'm stupid enough to fall for it (or any scam). I'm just looking out for the lesser-informed here, as that kind of thing can drive away newer players. I am very newbie-friendly, as I'd like to see this game survive for as long as possible and newer players certainly contribute to that.
The bottom line is, if ANet/PlayNC consider this bannable then I certainly see it enough in my daily travels that a few minutes to take a screenshot & send an email is perfectly worth it, in my book. If not, well it's still no trouble of mine to call these scammers out (in town) and make sure nobody actually gets scammed.
Chocobo1
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Originally Posted by makosi
I'd say so. It's griefing and a deliberate attempt to defraud another player. There's no doubt about that, is there?
This is where people start saying, "omg if u fall for that, u deserve to get scammzored." I agree that it is naive to fall for the trap but that doesn't mean it's acceptable behaviour on the scammer's behalf. Faith in GW population -1. |
Faith in GW population, never have and never will.
Chocobo1
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Originally Posted by TideSwayer
Don't act like I'm stupid enough to fall for it (or any scam). I'm just looking out for the lesser-informed here, as that kind of thing can drive away newer players. I am very newbie-friendly, as I'd like to see this game survive for as long as possible and newer players certainly contribute to that.
The bottom line is, if ANet/PlayNC consider this bannable then I certainly see it enough in my daily travels that a few minutes to take a screenshot & send an email is perfectly worth it, in my book. If not, well it's still no trouble of mine to call these scammers out (in town) and make sure nobody actually gets scammed. |
Yeah, we all used to be noobie friendly. There comes a point where you realize all the advice in the world isn't going to change anything, they are going to be a dumbass until they learn to think for themselves and not fall for retarded crap. Too bad you generally have to make a mistake before you learn from it.
makosi
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Originally Posted by Chocobo1
It's pure stupidity. If you are going to buy an item and sell it two seconds later then yeah, you do deserve to get scammed. This is going to teach the guy who got scammed never to be that retarded again. Tbh it's win/win. I'd rather have smarter players in this game than tards running around in FoW armor and chaos gloves whining about getting scammed and cursed at.
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Down with the greedy.
Shasgaliel
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Originally Posted by Chocobo1
, you do deserve to get scammed.
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Darcy
While I do not condone scamming, there is only so much that ArenaNet can do to protect players from their own stupidity.
Witness the abundance of real life scams, that suck in people constantly, all due to greed. Sometimes the lesson learned in a game, where it's only your ego that gets hurt, can be of great benefit in real life.
Witness the abundance of real life scams, that suck in people constantly, all due to greed. Sometimes the lesson learned in a game, where it's only your ego that gets hurt, can be of great benefit in real life.
Chocobo1
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Originally Posted by makosi
So you're supporting attemptive scamming on the grounds of educational development? Like I said, it is naive to fall for this stuff, but some people are educationally sub-normal (<---that's probably no PC) and some are just kids.
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If you get scammed once, you won't be scammed again. Experience is the best teacher. I don't support scamming, I find it horrible that someone can do that to another player, but I also don't support hand feeding all the nabs. I know that anyone who has ever been scammed will always be better off in the long run, and generally become a far better player. The quitters and the people who fall for it numbers of times really shouldn't interact with anyone because they obviously just can't survive on there own.
Down with the failures.
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While I do not condone scamming, there is only so much that ArenaNet can do to protect players from their own stupidity. Witness the abundance of real life scams, that suck in people constantly, all due to greed. Sometimes the lesson learned in a game, where it's only your ego that gets hurt, can be of great benefit in real life. |
Fril Estelin
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While I do not condone scamming, there is only so much that ArenaNet can do to protect players from their own stupidity.
Witness the abundance of real life scams, that suck in people constantly, all due to greed. Sometimes the lesson learned in a game, where it's only your ego that gets hurt, can be of great benefit in real life. |
And I completely agree on your last statement, the online world can bring the worse and the best from people, showing things we wouldn't see otherwise. Unfortunately, the web-net-z has made social experiences very bad IMHO, to the point that it becomes impossible to agree on what is fair (there's been dozens of discussions on the topic on Guru) because a lot of people disagree on what is fun.
OT, I guess it's difficult for NCsoft support to ban without thorough investigation, but I'm sure the guys will be banned if proof is given and the 2 accounts can be linked. I prefer to use a different approach: first "play" with the 2 accounts, talk to get an idea of what's going on; then suggest that they trade together, and every quickly copy this sentence on public chat. After a few minutes, I either repeat it with a different tone or the guys left. Social awareness works even better than game support, it's what some call "social security"
.To those that think that it's normal in games because it exists in life, firstly it's punishable by law in most countries (although more difficult to prove than online), secondly the "digital world" is not RL and it'd be ridiculous to make it the same (so then it's a fight of words and opinions between advocators of various theories). I'm not even discussing the "educational" excuse as it's utterly ridiculous (of course, being a lecturer I'm biaised
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Akane
you hit the nail on the head. i noticed there was a person trying to sell one as well, in the same town even. i hope nobody bought it!
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
There is this scam:
Person A: WTB (useless, but rare junk) for shitload of money Person B: WTS (useless, but rare junk) for a bit less than shitload of money, usually in different disctricts / cities Scammee surfing district looking for deals or to spamdvertise: If I am fast enough i can make nice profit by buying from B and delivering to A. Proceeds to buy from B, PMs to A, A replies that he already got just second ago from someone else. A and B then share profit and Scamee usually does not even think he was scammed, he just thinks he was too late. |
Ultima pyromancer
Whats the difference between this and power selling?
I dont agree with this but i also dont think its a bannable offense. Ive been scammed out of a lot of money paying for runners that leave etc. Ive reported some too, with screenshots but nothing is done about it, so i highly doubt anything will come of this
I dont agree with this but i also dont think its a bannable offense. Ive been scammed out of a lot of money paying for runners that leave etc. Ive reported some too, with screenshots but nothing is done about it, so i highly doubt anything will come of this
makosi
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Whats the difference between this and power selling?
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Power trading, in a pure sense, doesn't involve any sort of trickery or lies but maybe a bit of haggling at most. There's a thin line in power trading that one can cross to become a genuine buyer/seller or a deciever.
Yang Whirlwind
I hate scammers!
That being said, real life hustlers have a saying: "it is impossible to scam a honest person".
A lot of scams rely on the other person's judgment being clouded by greed.
I'm sure there's a morale in there somewhere ...
That being said, real life hustlers have a saying: "it is impossible to scam a honest person".
A lot of scams rely on the other person's judgment being clouded by greed.
I'm sure there's a morale in there somewhere ...
FengShuiDove
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Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd
I've made a boatload of money doing this (we call it shill bidding here at Guru), and it's REAL hard to do nowadays... Three years later, the Guild Wars community has finally come to understand it.
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That having been said, this seems like one of those things, and you see people pulling similar idiocies all the time. The other day in ToA a guy in d1 was selling two minipets for 12e each, other guy in d2 buying at 16e each. The one that coincided between the two was worth nowhere near 12e. I saw the scam and decided to play a little game. Best thing: I get 16e for a crap minipet. Worst thing: I get to ruin their little scam.
I had one of the minipets, and offered to sell directly for 16e. He told me to show, but was hiding in one of those stupid wall bugs that you can't get into if you don't know the uber cool secret. The seller also wouldn't respond to any questions concerning the minis (as my girlfriend wanted the other one and it was a fair price for that one). So, instead of going on an ecto farming run, I sat in ToA and advertised in party search that they were spammers. After a long PM war during which the "buyer" scammer told me he'd give me all his ectos if I figured out his scam (which was clearly a lie... but we already know he was a douchebag), they both left and I felt happy inside.
Rule of thumb: Before paying top-dollar for anything, check Guru or other places with accurate representations of prices. It may take a little time but in the long run you'll save yourself from petty scams and save more money than otherwise.
P.S. I've got someone in my alliance that keeps telling me the price of individual Pumpkin Cookies are skyrocketing and are now around 40k, and he'll probably tell me more today. I doubt something like this would happen without being lolled or QQed about on Guru, but if it's true then I'm a rich man ^_^.
trankle
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Originally Posted by makosi
So you're supporting attemptive scamming on the grounds of educational development? Like I said, it is naive to fall for this stuff, but some people are educationally sub-normal (<---that's probably no PC) and some are just kids.
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Little Johnny Victim has two options when seeing the WTS/WTB messages: he can be a nice fellow and inform Mr. WTB that someone is selling the exact item he looking for, or he can decide to make profit through no real work of his own.
If he chooses the former path, no harm is done. If he chooses the latter path, should he not be prepared to play with the big boys?
Are there any real victims in this kind of scam, or just two people in touch with their greed, and one person reckless with his own?
Keira Nightgale
Honestly there is no difference between manipulating offer/demand this way and between buying a mini/rare weapon from an ignorant guy at low prices. In both cases you're abusing people ignorance. But if this makes you feel better, yeah scammers are pieces of shit.
Spiritz
I just had to wiki zaishen medallions as ive never yet heard of or seen one - also no1 here seems to state what they are -
From wiki : Zaishen Medallions could be found during the Guild Wars Nightfall PvP Preview Event. You could exchange them at the Zaishen Supply Masters for one of the following items:
now the items are no way worth ectos in any form - no idea about the balthazaar item tho but even if they were available the npc to trade with now doesnt exist cept at events and even then i dont think he takes them.
If ever in doubt about an item use wiki like myself and that can help cease some scams.
Also if u see ppl asking for trophy items before an event and they offering a low price ( tho u kno at event they worth more ) - like ppl asking 50g for battle commendations etc do what i do - i shout theres someone in Dx offering say 80g each and 9/10 times that person will bump prices - i hate seeing new players being undercut as they have no idea of value ( yes 100g is a gd price for battle commendations ) - making a slight profit is fair but getting it for 1/2 its worth then gaining more profit after is greed.
From wiki : Zaishen Medallions could be found during the Guild Wars Nightfall PvP Preview Event. You could exchange them at the Zaishen Supply Masters for one of the following items:
now the items are no way worth ectos in any form - no idea about the balthazaar item tho but even if they were available the npc to trade with now doesnt exist cept at events and even then i dont think he takes them.
If ever in doubt about an item use wiki like myself and that can help cease some scams.
Also if u see ppl asking for trophy items before an event and they offering a low price ( tho u kno at event they worth more ) - like ppl asking 50g for battle commendations etc do what i do - i shout theres someone in Dx offering say 80g each and 9/10 times that person will bump prices - i hate seeing new players being undercut as they have no idea of value ( yes 100g is a gd price for battle commendations ) - making a slight profit is fair but getting it for 1/2 its worth then gaining more profit after is greed.
hoyce
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It's pure stupidity. If you are going to buy an item and sell it two seconds later then yeah, you do deserve to get scammed. This is going to teach the guy who got scammed never to be that retarded again. Tbh it's win/win. I'd rather have smarter players in this game than tards running around in FoW armor and chaos gloves whining about getting scammed and cursed at.
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hoyce
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Originally Posted by trankle
Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but don't forget to include the scammee under the "greedy" label.
Little Johnny Victim has two options when seeing the WTS/WTB messages: he can be a nice fellow and inform Mr. WTB that someone is selling the exact item he looking for, or he can decide to make profit through no real work of his own. If he chooses the former path, no harm is done. If he chooses the latter path, should he not be prepared to play with the big boys? Are there any real victims in this kind of scam, or just two people in touch with their greed, and one person reckless with his own? |
Beta Sprite
Not meaning to drag this off-topic, but... a searchable Auction/Selling House would avoid this scam by letting the searcher find out what the items are worth on the current market. Also, there wouldn't be a guy yelling WTB, unless he wants it for less than what he found in the House, which means that the scam couldn't be carried out anyway.
Then again... an Auction House would bring in the power traders who buy up the stuff at a cheap price and put it all up for a fixed, higher price... Bah, this has been argued to death.
Time to bail!
*runs*
Then again... an Auction House would bring in the power traders who buy up the stuff at a cheap price and put it all up for a fixed, higher price... Bah, this has been argued to death.
Time to bail!
*runs*
romeus petrus
Both involve manipulating less informed (?ignorant) players to sell low, buy high. The difference between the two although present is quite irrelevant since the bottom line is the same.
zwei2stein
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Then again... an Auction House would bring in the power traders who buy up the stuff at a cheap price and put it all up for a fixed, higher price... Bah, this has been argued to death.
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And they can get burned a lot by this because they usually can't keep up with people posting new and new items for long time.
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Both involve manipulating less informed (?ignorant) players to sell low, buy high. The difference between the two although present is quite irrelevant since the bottom line is the same.
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In "scam" case, middleman is the one that is scammed and is left with something of essentially zero value.
In "power trade" case, trader takes role of that middle man and tries to take advantage of two people - who, by the way, end up getting something they think is fair price (otherwise they would not trade). Not to mention they offer valid service of locating buyer for your stuff. Being able to return to farm after 5 minutes of spamming instead of 5 hours is worth it.
Lyynyyrd
I remove large sums of money from the economy - it's a good thing!
AnClar
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Originally Posted by Chocobo1
And so we now must cater to the retards of the world? Why not reward people smart enough not to fall for this shit? The reward is they get to keep there own cash because they aren't stupid enough to fall for this.
If you get scammed once, you won't be scammed again. Experience is the best teacher. I don't support scamming, I find it horrible that someone can do that to another player, but I also don't support hand feeding all the nabs. I know that anyone who has ever been scammed will always be better off in the long run, and generally become a far better player. The quitters and the people who fall for it numbers of times really shouldn't interact with anyone because they obviously just can't survive on there own. Down with the failures. This is possibly the greatest post in this thread. This is exactly what I mean. |
That's a really interesting attitude. It's nice that you think you know enough to not get scammed. But your "survival of the fittest" and "learning by experience" arguments are really tough to swallow.
Let's take a recent RL example: the Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme, in which he scammed around $50 Billion from a wide audience. Here the scammer was so good that he got Banks, Charities, Universities, and people, rich and not so rich, smart and not so smart, naive and not so naive to buy in to his scam. I gather that you would not have been in favor of the charities that now have to close down, the people who have lost their retirement savings, the universities that will now have to charge higher tuition, or cut services, maybe being protected from this unscrupulous monster who caused all this grief? That the "education" that these victims received was worth the hurt, damage, and sadness that was caused? Down with the failures? I suspect that there were people and institutions who got destroyed by this scam who are as smart, or smarter, than you or I involved here. I'm sure that many of them, like you, thought that they were smart enough to never get scammed. OK in GW it's small beans compared to the crap like this that goes on in RL, but the principles are the same. Predators should NOT be allowed to prey at will in ANY society, RL or IG! Governments attempt, with greater or lesser success, to protect their citizens from predators. ANet has created a society, they have a responsibility to provide reasonable safeguards for their members as well.
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by trankle
Are there any real victims in this kind of scam, or just two people in touch with their greed, and one person reckless with his own?
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Lyynyyrd
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You missed the trick in this scam (which is no power-trading since the pretending buyer and the seller are colluding): they're targetting the naive person that will think "it sounds like a honest price for the stuff". Sure, there may be greedy buyers, but then they make a mistake by not checking prices (but it's still a scam).
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theonetheonlybruce
u cant report some one for this because u dont know its a scam and u have no way to prove its a scam
kilkelo
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Originally Posted by Yang Whirlwind
I hate scammers!
That being said, real life hustlers have a saying: "it is impossible to scam a honest person". A lot of scams rely on the other person's judgment being clouded by greed. I'm sure there's a morale in there somewhere ... |
The First Silvari
I remember in Balth temple, someone posted WTB R9 Gold Insc. Holy Vial for 100k. I had an R9 Gold Insc. Holy Vial and offered to trade him, I reduced the price to 20k yet he refused to trade. He stated he wanted a "Healing" att. Holy Vial. ?? was my response there are no Healing Att. Holy Vials. Then a few min later I see from someone else, "WTS R9 Insc. Gold Holy Vial 75K" I just had to laugh.
Same day someone spams "Want to take screenie of a Blk Dyed Voltaic Spear for Guild Website paying 10K". again i had to laugh, but got me to think.
Cheating in real life is for real money. But WTF why commit an act of bad karma for virtual crap? I mean lie and cheat for pixels? WOW!!!! you need help.
Same day someone spams "Want to take screenie of a Blk Dyed Voltaic Spear for Guild Website paying 10K". again i had to laugh, but got me to think.
Cheating in real life is for real money. But WTF why commit an act of bad karma for virtual crap? I mean lie and cheat for pixels? WOW!!!! you need help.
Gift3d
Carebears Gone Wild.
It's not a bannable offense for convincing some rich ignorant moron to willingly give you a ridiculous amount of gold or ectos. It's merely natural selection.
It's not a bannable offense for convincing some rich ignorant moron to willingly give you a ridiculous amount of gold or ectos. It's merely natural selection.
shoogi
if you are stupid enough to get scammed, I won't say that you deserve it, but it's certainly your fault. you can't blame the scammers or anet for not doing enough against them (they did everything they could, and /report is a joke).
majikmajikmajik
my opinion is that this is not a bannable offense. you bought the item, its your fault. plus, you couldnt prove in anyway that person A and person B are even in on it together.
Always get a price check before you buy or sell, if your not sure ask guildies. if something sounds like its too good to be true, then it probably isnt true.
Always get a price check before you buy or sell, if your not sure ask guildies. if something sounds like its too good to be true, then it probably isnt true.