I agree with Miss Drops Az, this thread is pretty stupid. The price isn't 'set' at such a high amount of ecto/zkeys, it's there PURELY because of demand.
Demand clearly is higher than the supply, so the price is high. Economics people, do you speak it?
BDS overpriced?
fenix
Tramp
LoL, if you think they are overpriced go farm one. I have opened the chest now 330 times in hard mode (keeping track on paper) and have gotten one lousy bds to drop. They are cheap in my opinion. There is a reason why my friend is getting crazy nice offers on his r9 prot cuz the drop rate is the worst in the game. Finally something worth farming for and owning! Too many times anet has made the game worse by making items easy to get. BDS FTW!
Yawgmoth
There's another part missed in this thread - the BDS is often the ONLY one droppable staff for some attribute requirements (not counting basic common skins). There are NO other droppable req. Protection or Healing staffs except the pvp skins in the whole game.
There are so many great multiprofession staffs in EotN but they ALL drop for the same small selection of the least useful attributes - Divine Favor, Energy Storage, Soul Reaping, Inspiration, Spawning Power.
A staff should support the Main attribute of a build (like Healing, Fire Magic, Death, Domination, Restoration), and the primaries are just support attributes in 95%+ builds.
The Attributes problem is what adds a lot of demand for the BDS, Frog Scepter and Celestial Compass, driving their prices up.
Someone could say "BS, the Primary attrib req. BDS are also worth XXXecto!". True, but that's because:
-It's the Number 1 Top Trendy Staff, the obvious choice for the Black FoW+Chaos Gloves+Ninja Mask crowd.
-Primary attrib req BDS are still useful, and the masses don't care that it's not an optimal choice in most cases. I mean most of PvE players that don't swap sets, don't customize weapons, and always use sundering and -5/20%.
-Primary attrib req BDS are not that common, because of all the other attribute possibilities.
So they aren't cheaper because of that, but if ALL BDS were primary attr only, they all would be cheaper.
There are so many great multiprofession staffs in EotN but they ALL drop for the same small selection of the least useful attributes - Divine Favor, Energy Storage, Soul Reaping, Inspiration, Spawning Power.
A staff should support the Main attribute of a build (like Healing, Fire Magic, Death, Domination, Restoration), and the primaries are just support attributes in 95%+ builds.
The Attributes problem is what adds a lot of demand for the BDS, Frog Scepter and Celestial Compass, driving their prices up.
Someone could say "BS, the Primary attrib req. BDS are also worth XXXecto!". True, but that's because:
-It's the Number 1 Top Trendy Staff, the obvious choice for the Black FoW+Chaos Gloves+Ninja Mask crowd.
-Primary attrib req BDS are still useful, and the masses don't care that it's not an optimal choice in most cases. I mean most of PvE players that don't swap sets, don't customize weapons, and always use sundering and -5/20%.
-Primary attrib req BDS are not that common, because of all the other attribute possibilities.
So they aren't cheaper because of that, but if ALL BDS were primary attr only, they all would be cheaper.
pumpkin pie
have you try killing Fendi and get to Fendi's Chest
lol if you have you would not sell the staff, if you haven't, try, shave your head first or you'll want to pull your hair out,
I think you can sell it at any price you wish, too, if you can find such a buyer!
lol if you have you would not sell the staff, if you haven't, try, shave your head first or you'll want to pull your hair out,
I think you can sell it at any price you wish, too, if you can find such a buyer!
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
have you try killing Fendi and get to Fendi's Chest
lol if you have you would not sell the staff, if you haven't, try, shave your head first or you'll want to pull your hair out, I think you can sell it at any price you wish, too, if you can find such a buyer! |
Anyways, it's not overpriced. Learn supply and demand, please. You don't even need to take economics in high school to understand the basic concept of it.
pumpkin pie
yeap, he keep respawning like 20 times. i had to /resign, maybe i should go with my ass assin :P
i hate him really, that was before I read the wiki. but I don't want to try that again. lol gives you low morale.
much like Cyndr yesterday, i kill it around 6x the bar goes all blue then i wait for the quest to finish but then it respawn agian and again and again. had to redo.... i hate cyndr too. and that other thing with the rolling fire ball. stupid hench rant rant rant...
anyway. /off
i hate him really, that was before I read the wiki. but I don't want to try that again. lol gives you low morale.
much like Cyndr yesterday, i kill it around 6x the bar goes all blue then i wait for the quest to finish but then it respawn agian and again and again. had to redo.... i hate cyndr too. and that other thing with the rolling fire ball. stupid hench rant rant rant...
anyway. /off
Lycan Nibbler
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yeap, he keep respawning like 20 times. i had to /resign
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pOmrAkkUn
If your toon is a female monk and you are playing in observer mode, you may want to have one. xD
Sacratus Ignis
given that I have done SoO over 250 times and have yet to get a drop... yeah I think they are underpriced. (Though guildies have gotten quite a few)
Reflect
The whole dungeon can be 600hp-ed...not much of an efford to reach out the chest, so it's a matter of luck getting it...
Also i neve liked this fugly skin, but as it seems some people like it and give big money for it ;/
However it is realy overpriced, as most of the GW weapons,, as the top priced swords, Voltaic spear and rare minis, as there are some very rich players, able to afford anything, prices are turned up to them only..iconomics needs much more rebalancing, but this will never happen.
Not unleast untill GW2.
*cross fingers hoping*
Also i neve liked this fugly skin, but as it seems some people like it and give big money for it ;/
However it is realy overpriced, as most of the GW weapons,, as the top priced swords, Voltaic spear and rare minis, as there are some very rich players, able to afford anything, prices are turned up to them only..iconomics needs much more rebalancing, but this will never happen.
Not unleast untill GW2.
*cross fingers hoping*
cataphract
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Is it too expensive? Do you think it will go down and by how much? Is it ugly? Discuss the BDS.
Also for clarification purposes BDS=Bone dragon staff.....although I will permit you to talk about blue dragon swords... |
MirkoTeran
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
yeap, he keep respawning like 20 times. i had to /resign, maybe i should go with my ass assin :P
i hate him really, that was before I read the wiki. but I don't want to try that again. lol gives you low morale. much like Cyndr yesterday, i kill it around 6x the bar goes all blue then i wait for the quest to finish but then it respawn agian and again and again. had to redo.... i hate cyndr too. and that other thing with the rolling fire ball. stupid hench rant rant rant... anyway. /off |
As for original question - is it overpriced: No. If you don't want/can't pay for it, buy a cheaper skin.
BJuno
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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
A staff should support the Main attribute of a build (like Healing, Fire Magic, Death, Domination, Restoration), and the primaries are just support attributes in 95%+ builds.
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agree
Bug John
hundreds of ectos for such an ugly staff... this game really needs better money sinks
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by Bug John
hundreds of ectos for such an ugly staff... this game really needs better money sinks
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Guess we need more things like Chaos gloves to pull the cash out of GW....
Bug John
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Its not a money sink, all it does is transfer the money from one player to another.
Guess we need more things like Chaos gloves to pull the cash out of GW.... |
atm the only money sinks we have are armors and titles (including hom weapons and minipets),seems like it's not enough
I personnaly think nothing should go above a few hundred ectos, but dupers and powertraders (and mat rewards) inflated prices on some things to unreasonable levels
Divine Xan
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Originally Posted by fenix
I agree with Miss Drops Az, this thread is pretty stupid. The price isn't 'set' at such a high amount of ecto/zkeys, it's there PURELY because of demand.
Demand clearly is higher than the supply, so the price is high. Economics people, do you speak it? |
.But ye what Miss Drops Az said...
Sir Cusfreak
its not overpriced because it's ugly. It's not overpriced because you cant afford one. Its overpriced because ITS NOT RARE - theyre everywhere, getting to be as common as CoF greens, people are getting 5 a day, its a fast run dungeon, done in under an hour, and theyre litterally RAINING into the game. There is no reason for players to think theyre worth the crazy price. They fall all day long every day to people who payed 10k for a run because they cant, or cant be bothered to, actually complete the dungeon in a real team. You cannot walk into any of the 3 main trade towns and not see 6 of em spammed for sale. look at the high end sell forum, I swear to god 75%of the threads there have at least one of them in it, if they arent trying to sell 3 of them. There's more of those things in Kamdan than there are actually walking bone dragons in every zone in Kryta put together.
Personally I think anyone who actually pays high price for these things is a damn fool at this point. Once upon a time I can see they were rare, tough to get and not enough had fallen yet to equip every char in the game and thier heros with, but they have now.
Personally I think anyone who actually pays high price for these things is a damn fool at this point. Once upon a time I can see they were rare, tough to get and not enough had fallen yet to equip every char in the game and thier heros with, but they have now.
Cobalt
I want one for my necro but have gone though SoO over 30 times and still have not got one. Thus it is an extremely rare drop and as such commands a high prices for even req 13's.
Still I would rather keep running SoO than shell out 200-400e for one so I will keep trying.
Still I would rather keep running SoO than shell out 200-400e for one so I will keep trying.
Jecht Scye
The Bone Dragon Staff is commonly priced FAR above my reservation price for the item - Which is 1g. Therefore I think it's overpriced for me. For someone else that is a collector of gross models and textures, then perhaps it's more.
Quaker
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...much like Cyndr yesterday, i kill it around 6x the bar goes all blue then i wait for the quest to finish but then it respawn agian and again and again. had to redo....
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For Cyndr - if I recall, you have to drop powder kegs near him until his armor (red bar) goes down to zero. Then you have to attack him while the bar is blue - when the blue bar reaches the end, you have to start dropping kegs again. Rinse and repeat until he's dead. Note that he also has a regular health bar, which is what you need to get to zero while the other bar is blue.
glacialphoenix
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Its overpriced because ITS NOT RARE - theyre everywhere, getting to be as common as CoF greens, people are getting 5 a day, its a fast run dungeon, done in under an hour, and theyre litterally RAINING into the game.
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So. Maybe there are lots of BDS staffs, or so you claim, but whether or not the req is actually desirable is a different matter.
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Still I would rather keep running SoO than shell out 200-400e for one so I will keep trying
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fenix
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Originally Posted by Divine Xan
It is hilarious though the amount of people on this forum who like to think they actually know economics though...
.But ye what Miss Drops Az said... |
Hi, I studied Microeconomics last semester, whoru.
pumpkin pie
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Originally Posted by Quaker
You should at least try looking at the wiki, before facing a dungeon-end monster again.
For Cyndr - if I recall, you have to drop powder kegs near him until his armor (red bar) goes down to zero. Then you have to attack him while the bar is blue - when the blue bar reaches the end, you have to start dropping kegs again. Rinse and repeat until he's dead. Note that he also has a regular health bar, which is what you need to get to zero while the other bar is blue. |
lol i know! but i also like the suspense. like at least try it once to figure out if I can complete the dungeon without any guide.
thanks for the Cyndr information! and happy wintersday
garethporlest18
Eh. Who cares if they are so overpriced, farm and sell em then.
I've seen req 10 prot go for 900e. If that's not fake in the high end section. That's crazy!
But yeah they're expensive because of all the possibilities, IF you get one.
I've seen req 10 prot go for 900e. If that's not fake in the high end section. That's crazy!
But yeah they're expensive because of all the possibilities, IF you get one.
Uzul
Let the kids be emo and make a nice cut in between.
Personally though, I love my IDS and might even get a 2nd one for one of the hero warriors on my main.
Uzul
~still not giving a damn
Personally though, I love my IDS and might even get a 2nd one for one of the hero warriors on my main.
Uzul
~still not giving a damn
Divine Xan
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Hi, I studied Microeconomics last semester, whoru.
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l Rainy l
All economics majors/minors/people who like talking about their bad college econ class, gtfo out of my thread. Stay on topic - that would be the bds. Also, for those of you who have made useful statements, thank you very much.
Reflect
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Eh. Who cares if they are so overpriced, farm and sell em then.
I've seen req 10 prot go for 900e. If that's not fake in the high end section. That's crazy! But yeah they're expensive because of all the possibilities, IF you get one. |
as the staff is not that rare generally, but the chance for it having an exact attribute reqiurement is qiute small, but still 900e is very much money.
Another thing is that SoO is the hardest dungeon generally(unless youre 600hp) so making this place not easy farmable for the casual player.
Do you think it will go down and by how much? ->
It's one of those items, which price matters from seller
seller A may sell it for 600 ecto,while seller B for 1000e
and if 600hp monks start abusing this place, price will crush, you can be sure
Divine Xan
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All economics majors/minors/people who like talking about their bad college econ class, gtfo out of my thread. Stay on topic - that would be the bds. Also, for those of you who have made useful statements, thank you very much.
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Some people are saying rebalance it, are you meaning make it easier to obtain? I didnt find it an easy farm, though i did only try a couple of times. If you make it easy to obtain you just make this like every other item that is heavily farmed, the BDS skin (imo) is that bad, why should it not be a high price? if you want it that badly you will pay the very high price, if you dont have the cash to buy it anyways, then it doesnt really matter to you or you will try to earn that cash. I am all for it being hard to obtain and a higher price, yes i know it can reward grinding your ass off but there needs to be something to shoot for if you have large amounts of money or to spend your time getting better skinned items (in peoples opinion, i find most like the BDS).
[I think that was worded terribly but I cba to rewrite lol]