Snowball ATS

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jebus View Post
Did you really just say that? Wow.
I know, I've heard it too. Don't worry, those people are far away, locked in their cubics.

baltazar knight

baltazar knight

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Belgium

The Myth of Phoenix [Myth]

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so say i'm from guild X which is inactive and a friend is in an active guild guild Y(5or so in the team of same guild)

is it possible that he guests me to his gh and i can join his group ?

p.s. i am more then 14 days in the guild.

Jebus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Belgium

Legion of Sacred Light [LSL]

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Oh well, I'd like it more if it was more a TA/HA style of Snowball battles, but meh

Brak

Brak

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2008

Untimely Demise [Err了]

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by baltazar knight View Post
so say i'm from guild X which is inactive and a friend is in an active guild guild Y(5or so in the team of same guild)

is it possible that he guests me to his gh and i can join his group ?

p.s. i am more then 14 days in the guild.
Yes, the guild only needs 4 14-day members and the other 4 can be guild memeber that haven't been on for 14 days or guests(if you guest for another guild it doesn't matter how long you've been in your guild). So if you are in a new guild you can always guest for another guild and my guess is there will be plenty of guilds looking for guests so their guild can have enough people to participate.

legendary4321

legendary4321

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

nomads isle

I Savant I[Crew]4life

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im just spitballin here but isn't snowball fights 4v4?

baltazar knight

baltazar knight

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Belgium

The Myth of Phoenix [Myth]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brak View Post
Yes, the guild only needs 4 14-day members and the other 4 can be guild memeber that haven't been on for 14 days or guests(if you guest for another guild it doesn't matter how long you've been in your guild). So if you are in a new guild you can always guest for another guild and my guess is there will be plenty of guilds looking for guests so their guild can have enough people to participate.
ah thank you

btw nice avatar lol

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
The requirements for the Snowball ATS are the same as for the regular ATS. You need to be in a guild. You need to be in a guild for at least 14 days. You are required to have at least 4 guild members. There is no entry fee. The Snowball tournaments will play like monthly tournaments.
It's fine to decide not to rework the code. It's not OK to fail to inform everyone of the situation 14 days prior to the start of the event so that they can react to these conditions.

No one even knew about the existence of these ATs until seven days ago. Even if players anticipated the problem and efficiently reorganized their guild membership immediately in response to the announcement, they won't be able to field their preferred 8v8 team for a week. Those that did not won't be able to field that team until three days prior to the event's end.

All of this could have been averted by making the announcement a week earlier and letting everyone know about the 14 day rule then. Foresight is key to good customer service, no?

Regina Buenaobra

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

Me/

By the time the Live Team had investigated and found out that it would not be a quick, easy, or uncomplicated fix to remove the ATS requirements for the Snowball ATS, it was already past the 14-day mark. They sincerely apologize for this disappointment.

Rocky Raccoon

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

Apparently there is nothing else to do for Wintersday, except the Snowball ATs. If it wasn't this to complain about it would be something else.

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jebus View Post
Did you really just say that? Wow.
Yeah. What's wrong with it? Real life comes before gaming, I know this. But I don't want Anet to cater to me because of it, it's not their problem I'm busy in real life, so they shouldn't set up their game to cater to me. Just like they shouldn't set it up to cater to you. If you want to game and partake in real life (I hope you rather do the latter), then you gotta come face to face with the unfairness and consequences of it all.

Anet does a pretty good job of catering to those who can only play casually already.

Mr. Undisclosed

Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
They sincerely apologize for this disappointment.
Good enough for me, thank you.

sunec

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

Denmark

R/

Needs more QQ.

Anet has decided to leave my guild tab blank, make me unable to guest and even join a guild. And now they even stopped responding to my support ticket 3 days ago.

GG Anet, it's nothing but changing a few 14's to 1's or 0's whatever you like, and doing a quick compile and maybe spending a few minutes testing on your internal servers - unless you have designed your code in the worst possible way ever.

The guild requirement of 4 members seems fine though.

Peace

Buterfly

Buterfly

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

For those of you who say to a player that is not a 14 day member yet bc theyve just left a guild, or is not currently a member of a guild, that you would say that it is the player's own fault... It's pretty silly that you would somehow blame them or some how seem to frown upon ppl who have not yet been able to find a good guild that they are happy in or that they may just be happier without being in a guild. Maybe youre just lucky enough that you landed in a guild that you would feel loyal enough to stay in. I know a few ppl who have been in the same guild for most of gw, and I know ppl who have been in dozens or make a new guild every other week lol. They should not be punished for that.

Anyways. Great Gwen quests ! Pretty Jingle Bear !

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
Well, that's a real shame. I was really looking forward to the Snowball ATS, and now I won't be participating since my guild reccently split up.

Really, this is just silly. Partcipation in a HOLIDAY themed event where you throw snowballs at other players should not be taken too seriously. Any raging responses are a bit unnecessary.

On the other hand... at the same time, A.net shouldn't have droped the ball on this. This had huge potential to be very popular and a lot of fun. Instead, 90% of the GW player base (ie, those who don't read the forums or the wikis) will probablly not even know about this feature's existance. All previous holiday events and quests were open to everybody (ie, even level 10s could partcipate in most of the holiday quests from the past). Nothing was ever hard or exclusive. It should be open to everybody in the spirit of the season.

And saying it would be too much work for programmers... eh, I'd rather have people do something well or not at all. Half-assing the job by not getting rid of those restrictions (which really, why should they be hard coded into the programming in the first place?) is kinda frustrating and unprofessional.
There are huge numbers of other events, including a ton of new stuff this year. That 90% of the GW fanbase that won't even know about the ATS will obviously not care that they're missing it. Furthermore, people who aren't in a stable guild would have basically no shot at this anyway, and if you have no shot at winning you may as well be playing in the random snowball arena. Just because it's a holiday-themed event, there can't be anything competitive about it? One event, one small event that is exactly the same as the casual stuff most players play in (and fail miserably, if the past hour of play time is any indication), and people are complaining that everything about Wintersday should be accessible to everyone.

Put it this way: even if there were absolutely no restrictions on this AT, how many players without a guild would join? How many of those players have friends who are in a guild which they'd be able to guest with? How many of these hodge-podge groups would get past the first round or two?

tenetke

tenetke

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

Nights of Fortune

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by garethporlest18 View Post
Yeah. What's wrong with it? Real life comes before gaming, I know this.

Honestly not sure if you do.

Vitues

Vitues

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Sydney, Australia

Mo/W

Since they made it operate like a Monthly AT, that screws so many players over. Due to that many people had left there guilds for the champ weekend earlier. So, this, pretty much puts a lot of plays out of snowball at's.

It was a good idea for the snowball AT's, but, you didnt think it through to the end. Which sucks, becuase so far it seemed that everything you have been doing has been great such as the decorations.

Oh well, another screw up for a once in a year event.

Grand Theft Ecto

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

Mo/

Cool stuff, cheers for the effort of making it happen.

Is it gonna be 16 ppl on a 4v4 map though?

jiggles

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

N/

Remove the cripple and it will be less of a joke. 8 Counts of it. ohwowowowowowowowowowowowwowowowowowowowoowowow

snaek

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

8 rits jackfrost spiritway gogogo

50dmg x 8 = 400dps lawl

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Mesmers have an interrupt, and eles have a second snare. I'm not sure if a full rit team is the best idea.

I'd rofl if a guild pulled off a r-spike-esque thing with one para using the chant to make snowballs near-undodgeable. 3, 2, 1, snowballs to the face.

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

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wtf is this nonsense, giving RPs for snowball ATS? total and utter bullshit.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

'Grats to [dth], the true winners of the first Snowball ATS.

Looks like I'm due for making a Sardelac thread on balancing the arena, so I'll probably cook that up tomorrow.

That aside, I'm not crazy about the rewards. Tournaments span over an hour, and the most Gamer points you'll get is 60. Add in finals for another 30. 90 points over 2-3 hours is atrocious for gains in that title, and there's no end-tourney reward of points either. I don't feel this will hold the attention of nor benefit people focused solely on their Gamer track. Can't say anything about the normal rewards.

There's a bug concerning tie-breakers that I've posted in the Game Bugs subforum. Other than that, I hope that ANet polishes off the bugs of this game format for next year (lolwut) so that more players can take part.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Interesting Shayne Hawke.

I'm not at all surprised though. More evidence that this was only thrown in the game at the last second.

Oh, and @ Sky High... yes, because we all know it takes a super high level of coordination to succeed in a holiday themed minigame. This is about as complex as "Ursan Arena PvP."

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
Oh, and @ Sky High... yes, because we all know it takes a super high level of coordination to succeed in a holiday themed minigame. This is about as complex as "Ursan Arena PvP."
No-one was remotely in the league of [dth] and [vR]. "Scrubby" #800ish guild mopped the floor with [pH] and their star rawr player in the semis, and held a perfect tie with [vR] despite being grenth.

Anyway players are given Tournament Reward points which is good enough... even if your guild isn't <1000. Bring on the AFK farmers.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

They went so far they even added Top8 playoffs, anyone knows what's that for? Are there serious big RPs given out or it's the same as everyday GvG ATs ?

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

E/

TBH it's a really nice idea, And i think its more on just being fun and differant them some reward system.

Bit dissapointing about the whole 14 days guild think as I think its safe to say that alot come back during the holiday events, and it would be handy to play with firends yo havn't seen in a while. But it was nice that it was in at all.

Redux maybe?

Daenara

Daenara

Bad Romance

Join Date: May 2006

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Grand Matron

Mo/

:/
I would have assumed that a snowball AT would run the same as a monthly AT, with the same guild rules and regulations, rather than taking a wild leap of fancy that maybe Anet changed it "just this once".

The Arching Healer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High View Post
Mesmers have an interrupt, and eles have a second snare. I'm not sure if a full rit team is the best idea.

I'd rofl if a guild pulled off a r-spike-esque thing with one para using the chant to make snowballs near-undodgeable. 3, 2, 1, snowballs to the face.
No point in making that. You have to run present. Since the ress time is 0 sec, there is no point in killing.

Jebus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Belgium

Legion of Sacred Light [LSL]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
By the time the Live Team had investigated and found out that it would not be a quick, easy, or uncomplicated fix to remove the ATS requirements for the Snowball ATS, it was already past the 14-day mark. They sincerely apologize for this disappointment.
You can apologize as much as you want, it still won't change the fact some people won't be able to enjoy a snowball battle with actual teamplay. But oh well, could've expected it tbh.

Rocky Raccoon

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jebus View Post
You can apologize as much as you want, it still won't change the fact some people won't be able to enjoy a snowball battle with actual teamplay. But oh well, could've expected it tbh.
Unless you are one of those rare people who never makes a mistake(they don't exist), why can't you just accept that there was an oversight that couldn't be corrected in an short period of time. They apologized and that should be enough.

H E C T A R

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

So im in vR, and last nights snowball at, we got dominated in the finals, by that really good r8 gamer people, but we get an auto win thanks to Dwayna. Sorry about that dth, so we got 350 rps just for being Dwayna, pretty dumb.

Yarly

Yarly

Retired GW Player

Join Date: Jun 2006

UK

Mo/

The Auto Dwayna win thing is utter BS.

Firefly21

Firefly21

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

Florida

[ball] Guild

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by H E C T A R View Post
So im in vR, and last nights snowball at, we got dominated in the finals, by that really good r8 gamer people, but we get an auto win thanks to Dwayna. Sorry about that dth, so we got 350 rps just for being Dwayna, pretty dumb.
Ya, I hate that auto win for Grenth, if Dwayna side didn’t get 10 points. It was a good game anyways, even though ya had Avalanche.

BTW did they fix that?

Lex

Lex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firefly21 View Post
Ya, I hate that auto win for Dwayna, if Grenth side didn’t get 10 points. It was a good game anyways, even though ya had Avalanche.
fixed?

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Originally Posted by Firefly21 View Post
BTW did they fix that?
Seems so, autowin "didnt work" in the same way. More like: who got last present in case of tie.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOrangeFalcon View Post
Wintersday events begin at noon Pacific Time (-8 GMT) on Friday, December 19, 2008 and run until noon on January 5, 2009. The Wintersday grand finale will take place on Wintersday itself in Lion's Arch and Kamadan, beginning at 12:01 AM Pacific on Thursday, January 1, 2009, and repeating every three hours until 12:01 AM on Friday, January 2, 2009.

http://www.guildwars.com/events/ingame/wintersday2008/

That's 18 days.
But does the snowball ATS last for 18 days too?

Firefly21

Firefly21

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

Florida

[ball] Guild

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafal View Post
fixed?


Seems so, autowin "didnt work" in the same way. More like: who got last present in case of tie.
At the time, if Dwayna didn’t get 10 points before the time runs out, Grenth won. We lost our first match being Dwayna with 7 to 3.

Well I’m sure its fix now as I watch the observer.

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked View Post
It would have been nice if we would have known that we have to be in a guild for 14 days more than a day before it. :/
I agree. Regina and Anet for the suxors.

Marverick

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

If ANet just extends the ATS another 2 weeks then all this complaining would stop.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

They should better fix the balance between Dwayna and Grenth... The problem was obvious in 2005, this is the 4th Wintersday and nothing has been done. It's now much more ridiculous than before - they made it a competetive tournament format with serious rewards. It's simply 8 skills vs 7 skills, 64 vs 56. It's a massive difference.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marverick View Post
If ANet just extends the ATS another 2 weeks then all this complaining would stop.
Snowball ATS Redux, lulz.

Even to do that now would mean that people would have to rush in finding a guild. No, if they were going to repeat this to make up for their mistake, they ought to do it later in January or February. Also, to not repeat their fault, make sure that they give everyone more than two weeks notice that the tournament would be taking place.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
They should better fix the balance between Dwayna and Grenth... The problem was obvious in 2005, this is the 4th Wintersday and nothing has been done. It's now much more ridiculous than before - they made it a competetive tournament format with serious rewards. It's simply 8 skills vs 7 skills, 64 vs 56. It's a massive difference.
I agree.