I have legendary guardian, obviously a level 20, enough skill points and farmed gold to keep me financially stable.
I would like to try and get my pve to benefit and keep improving through Guild Wars and not feel bored getting something for nothing.
I am motivated by the Shiro Return and Nightfall books because not only you get xp and gold, but Kurz, Lux, Sunspear and Lightbringer points to work towards a title.
However, in prophecies you only get points and gold. There should be a unique benefit for turning the book in other than more pointless points and gold. Plus the books already clog up too much storage. Anet needs to give better reason why we should even bother with the flameseeker prophecies books, especially for Legendary Guardians.
Add unique benefit when trading Flameseeker Prophecies NM and HM book.
Phantom Flux
the Puppeteer
NF book gives points to some titles - Cantha also gives to some titles, Proph has no titles so gives more to exp & gold. That would mean there should be a new title for proph. to which most ppl will say
/notsigned for more titles.
I didn't vote btw cus of limited options - I dont want this but I still play pve...
/notsigned for more titles.
I didn't vote btw cus of limited options - I dont want this but I still play pve...
upier
/No.
Less grind is better.
Less grind is better.
X Shadow Reaper
The only good thing about this book is if u are going through prophecies otherwise i wouldn't recomemend in doing it.
Shayne Hawke
And that unique benefit would be...? More gold and experience? There's no PvE-related title or whatever in Prophecies for the book to have an extra benefit towards.
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The only good thing about this book is if u are going through prophecies otherwise i wouldn't recomemend in doing it.
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You get more gold and more points than the other books? SO WHAT! The gold really isn't shit. The points aren't anything either. Of course you'd get more, but enough the reward sitll isn't crap. It would be good for a new title or something else, such as a random hot mini pet or whatever.
Make the book even more worth doing, otherwise its just a wasteful piece of smite!
ajc2123
If you can come up with a reasonable reward without adding a new title, Then I will /sign. I also believe they need something else since they are the less rewarding of the books, but for the life of me I cannot think of a reasonable prize.
Maybe a new tamable pet? That is lvl 5 for NM book and lvl 15 for HM book?
Maybe a new tamable pet? That is lvl 5 for NM book and lvl 15 for HM book?
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It would be good for a new title or something else, such as a random hot mini pet or whatever.
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The book is optional and purely supplemental to the rewards you already get by /winning a campaign - protector/guardian if you did the bonuses, and the mere satisfaction of knowing you beat a campaign. If you're too conceited to take FREE gold/skill points, thats your problem.
Oh and the poll options are a little biased, dont you think?
Tyla
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MithranArkanere
The only thing I can see fit it's giving something else, like a random Elite Tome of any profession.
But nothing like another Title. I can't imagine how would it be to add a Shinning Blade title, with skills and all that stuff.
But nothing like another Title. I can't imagine how would it be to add a Shinning Blade title, with skills and all that stuff.
shoyon456
Of course there should be, but the problem is that there really isn't anything unique to prophecies other than the "feel."
Instead they should be working on making the Titan Quests after prophecies actually mean/count for something. At least an HoM statue
Instead they should be working on making the Titan Quests after prophecies actually mean/count for something. At least an HoM statue
zelgadissan
Lack of poll options makes me a sad panda.
Personally I've got a couple characters who haven't done all the Tyria quests, they'll do the books. My main certainly isn't though, the only book he'll touch is HM Shiro's Return.
The books need something more, but I have no idea what. So far the best idea in here is Mith's.
Personally I've got a couple characters who haven't done all the Tyria quests, they'll do the books. My main certainly isn't though, the only book he'll touch is HM Shiro's Return.
The books need something more, but I have no idea what. So far the best idea in here is Mith's.
Konig Des Todes
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See how this statement already fails? Just because something goes for you, doesn't mean it goes for everyone else.
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I would like to try and get my pve to benefit and keep improving through Guild Wars and not feel bored getting something for nothing.
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I am motivated by the Shiro Return and Nightfall books because not only you get xp and gold, but Kurz, Lux, Sunspear and Lightbringer points to work towards a title.
However, in prophecies you only get points and gold. There should be a unique benefit for turning the book in other than more pointless points and gold. Plus the books already clog up too much storage. Anet needs to give better reason why we should even bother with the flameseeker prophecies books, especially for Legendary Guardians. |
Adding another benefit to be similar to the Factions, Nightfall, and Eye of the North books means adding more grind titles. If you do not like the book, do not do the books. You do not need to have them in your inventory if you will not do them.
Also, once again, people make the worse poll options. You do not need to add a monologue to the options, just put "Yes," "No," and "Maybe."
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Which is EXACTLY THE POINT!!
You get more gold and more points than the other books? SO WHAT! The gold really isn't shit. The points aren't anything either. Of course you'd get more, but enough the reward sitll isn't crap. It would be good for a new title or something else, such as a random hot mini pet or whatever. Make the book even more worth doing, otherwise its just a wasteful piece of smite! |
The books were made for an extra reward for those going through the missions.
I think this was done to prevent what happened with HM EN books.
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The book is optional and purely supplemental to the rewards you already get by /winning a campaign - protector/guardian if you did the bonuses, and the mere satisfaction of knowing you beat a campaign. If you're too conceited to take FREE gold/skill points, thats your problem.
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Also, OP, /notsigned.
Phantom Flux
The big number of votes for yes should says it all. BRING BETTER UNIQUE REWARDS FOR FLAMESEEKER PROPHECIES!!!!
Forgotton200
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I have legendary guardian, obviously a level 20, enough skill points and farmed gold to keep me financially stable.
I would like to try and get my pve to benefit and keep improving through Guild Wars and not feel bored getting something for nothing. I am motivated by the Shiro Return and Nightfall books because not only you get xp and gold, but Kurz, Lux, Sunspear and Lightbringer points to work towards a title. However, in prophecies you only get points and gold. There should be a unique benefit for turning the book in other than more pointless points and gold. Plus the books already clog up too much storage. Anet needs to give better reason why we should even bother with the flameseeker prophecies books, especially for Legendary Guardians. |
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Most. Biased. Poll. Ever.
The "unique benefit" of the Prophecies books is that they give more xp and gold than the other campaign books. That's it. Unless you'd like to propose a new rep title for us to all /notsign, I don't see the point of this thread, since there's not a whole lot else that the book could logically give you. |
Shayne Hawke
Suggest something unique the book would offer. Name one thing specific that Prophecies offers that you could make a reward for. If you can't at least do that, there's no discussion to be had here on whether we need it or not.
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Suggest something unique the book would offer. Name one thing specific that Prophecies offers that you could make a reward for. If you can't at least do that, there's no discussion to be had here on whether we need it or not.
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Not my job to come up with that, it's theirs. And paying money to Anet for any of their services means its them who has to brown nose to consumers so they can be happy, not the other way around, period.
Konig Des Todes
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I'm a paid consumer of Guild Wars. I don't work for Guild Wars. It's Anet's duty to satisfy their customers with the best service. .....
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It is the exact same case. We paid, don't pay again unless we buy something new. So Anet has done their job and we deserve nothing else.
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Not my job to come up with that, it's theirs. And paying money to Anet for any of their services means its them who has to brown nose to consumers so they can be happy, not the other way around, period.
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Let's say they, for some odd reason, do in fact change it. What if they just increase the gold and experience points? That's changing it. Will you be happy? No? Then suggest what would make you happy.
Also, just be glad you got the books. Anet didn't need to add them, we are not paying a monthly fee. Anet can do absolutely nothing else to GW1 and they would be in the right.
Edit: BTW, polls are biased due to some people - like myself - not wanting to vote for "No" because of the added dialogue.
Phantom Flux
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Fixed for you. Anet doesn't have to do anything else for any of us. If this was a single player game with a multiplayer option fir PvP, would you ask for changes? No, you'd expect nothing changed.
It is the exact same case. We paid, don't pay again unless we buy something new. So Anet has done their job and we deserve nothing else. It is your job as someone who wants something to offer ideas. If you cannot do that, then you do not deserve the change. Anet makes us happy by changing it to what we want. Let's say they, for some odd reason, do in fact change it. What if they just increase the gold and experience points? That's changing it. Will you be happy? No? Then suggest what would make you happy. Also, just be glad you got the books. Anet didn't need to add them, we are not paying a monthly fee. Anet can do absolutely nothing else to GW1 and they would be in the right. Edit: BTW, polls are biased due to some people - like myself - not wanting to vote for "No" because of the added dialogue. |
If Anet decides to keep customers unhappy, of course we'd more than likey stop playing guild wars and that would just be BAD, BAD business for them. Come on, you want to actually convince players to stop playing just so ANET can lose a lot of money?
LOL, Anet the real players give their time for Guild Wars, you should atleast give time to change and add what needs to be added.
Besides the poll above, regardless of how much you hate on the options, agrees with me.
Konig Des Todes
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Who cares if customers are just paying for the product its why we bought Guild Wars. And you say "we" you are only thinking about yourself as well all think for ourselves as well.
If Anet decides to keep customers unhappy, of course we'd more than likey stop playing guild wars and that would just be BAD, BAD business for them. Come on, you want to actually convince players to stop playing just so ANET can lose a lot of money? LOL, Anet the real players give their time for Guild Wars, you should atleast give time to change and add what needs to be added. |
Aside from the skill balancing, Anet doesn't have to keep adding things. Not adding things would not make the game bad. Let's take any single player game that is not online required. Any one, you pick, your favorite single player game. Doesn't matter which mind you.
Has anything changed to the game since it came out? Nope.
Is it still fun? Depends on if you like going through games multiple times - but it would be the same for Guild Wars wouldn't it, going through the game multiple times is rather boring.
Is the game "BAD"? Don't think so, if the game was good when it came out, it is no worse than then.
And if something bad comes as a part of the game series, people would still buy the sequels as long as the previous game(s) were good. Look at Devil May Cry for instance.
First game, good.
Second game, not so good (but not terrible).
Third game, great.
Fourth game, personally don't know haven't played it, but I heard it was decent to good.
The second game many people disliked, but people still bought the third game. Nothing changed in the games themselves - only thing that did was DMC3 with the special edition game.
You only think that GW would be "BAD" if there were no changes because you currently get changes.
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Again, the book is the bonus and benefit, you do not need more.
Continue with the poor points that anyone with a decent understanding of games can shut down.
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Skyy High
Most. Biased. Poll. Ever.
The "unique benefit" of the Prophecies books is that they give more xp and gold than the other campaign books. That's it. Unless you'd like to propose a new rep title for us to all /notsign, I don't see the point of this thread, since there's not a whole lot else that the book could logically give you.
The "unique benefit" of the Prophecies books is that they give more xp and gold than the other campaign books. That's it. Unless you'd like to propose a new rep title for us to all /notsign, I don't see the point of this thread, since there's not a whole lot else that the book could logically give you.
zwei2stein
Sweet Irony.
Yes - I don't care about PvE, gib me some free imba stuff for something i would do anyway!
No - Books aldready have purporse.
Yes - I don't care about PvE, gib me some free imba stuff for something i would do anyway!
No - Books aldready have purporse.
Dmitri3
Meh, just cause you poll is prejudiced and insults people, I'm gonna say no. And sorry, none of your arguments will work after such a vomit of a poll.
A11Eur0
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And that unique benefit would be...? More gold and experience? There's no PvE-related title or whatever in Prophecies for the book to have an extra benefit towards.
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Fine, give it points to wisdom or treasure hunter. Not many...just like 100 for NM, 500 for HM. Plenty of missions to have to complete so it's not game-breaking. Maybe 250 and 750?
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If that was done, people would run the 18 missions for maxing those titles out. And not to mention that the wisdom and Treasure Hunter titles don't even have anything to do with the books. Wisdom can be argued, but not Treasure Hunter.
If wisdom or treasure hunter points are added, I'd say 50/100 (HM must be double, and no more, than NM).
The only way any benefits would be added to the Prophecies books would be if they expanded the Vanguard (Ascalon) and Deldrimor (Shiverpeaks) titles into Prophecies, added a Shining Blade (Maguuma, Southern Shiverpeaks, and Ring of Fire) title, a Lionguard title (Kryta areas), and a title for the Crystal Desert area (Elonian Ghost title? lol).
And people on guru will never agree to more grind titles.
Not to mention that if said titles were added, the book would have to be reduced in gold and experience given.
A11Eur0
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18 missions, one of which takes less then a minute, does not deserve 100/500, let alone 250/750 wisdom points.
If that was done, people would run the 18 missions for maxing those titles out. And not to mention that the wisdom and Treasure Hunter titles don't even have anything to do with the books. Wisdom can be argued, but not Treasure Hunter. If wisdom or treasure hunter points are added, I'd say 50/100 (HM must be double, and no more, than NM). The only way any benefits would be added to the Prophecies books would be if they expanded the Vanguard (Ascalon) and Deldrimor (Shiverpeaks) titles into Prophecies, added a Shining Blade (Maguuma, Southern Shiverpeaks, and Ring of Fire) title, a Lionguard title (Kryta areas), and a title for the Crystal Desert area (Elonian Ghost title? lol). And people on guru will never agree to more grind titles. Not to mention that if said titles were added, the book would have to be reduced in gold and experience given. |
Ok my numbers were a bit high. (understatement) I didn't think too heavily about it.
Konig Des Todes
Er... I don't have the last word on anything. Moderators and Anet do. ^^
I was just stating how Wisdom/Treasure Hunter wouldn't work - especially with the numbers you presented. And quite literally, the only way to give more benefits to the books without thinking of some "reasoning" - which would then be demanded by people like the OP to be given to the other books.
If Anet puts, lets say 50/100 Wisdom points in the Prophecies books. People will then want some points to Wisdom added to the Factions, Nightfall, and Eye of the North books. And they will complain for retroactivity.
How do I know? Both have already happened. People want more from the Prophecies book when the book gets a benefit the others do not, and when the books came out, people wanted (for a looong time) retroactivity with them.
I was just stating how Wisdom/Treasure Hunter wouldn't work - especially with the numbers you presented. And quite literally, the only way to give more benefits to the books without thinking of some "reasoning" - which would then be demanded by people like the OP to be given to the other books.
If Anet puts, lets say 50/100 Wisdom points in the Prophecies books. People will then want some points to Wisdom added to the Factions, Nightfall, and Eye of the North books. And they will complain for retroactivity.
How do I know? Both have already happened. People want more from the Prophecies book when the book gets a benefit the others do not, and when the books came out, people wanted (for a looong time) retroactivity with them.
Nightfallen Phoenix
It would be nice to get something different off Tyrian Books. I can see players turning in, over and over, Shiro's Return and Nightfall books. They get some titles off it. Prophecy books doesn't really motivate a good reason to repeat 18 missions over and over.
/signed Besides Prophecies is the most boring campaign.
/signed Besides Prophecies is the most boring campaign.
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Books are fine. They're additional rewards and that's all. People did prophecies before even the end-game items and no one complained. Now you just want rewards for every freaking step that you do instead of just playing to have fun.
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People did prophecies before even the end-game items and no one complained.
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Now you just want rewards for every freaking step that you do instead of just playing to have fun.
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Where have you been? Players complained alot.
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Uh, once again, if you're not having fun, why would you do it at all? Your real job is not enough? GW is not WoW. No monthly payments, no need to make you addicted so you always renew your subscription. I thought people appreciated that, but some apparently just got the wrong game in their hands.
P.S. As for complaining, it only started after other campaigns... You give a person a fish and he complains that you didn't give a truckload of freaking fish, cooked by finest chefs in the world.
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And this is a bad thing because? It's fun until you repeat over and over and over. That's like a professional dancer performing for free. That's just wrong.
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The books in themselves are the reward. The end-game item is the reward for going through the game once. The titles are rewards for doing the bonuses, and doing it in Hard Mode.
We don't need more rewards. If you think doing a campaign again is grind, go do a different campaign, all the campaigns grind to you? Do something else.
There are a lot more then campaign missions, there are quests, elite missions, PvP. Plenty to do.
All of it boring? Go find a different game until GW2 comes out. We all know you'll buy it just as you bought more than one GW1 game.
spirit of defeat
I'm also legendary guardian. so I have the same 'problem'
But -like most people- I also have max SS-LB.
So NF book is even more useless to me :S
And I'm currently working on my luxon title.
But I'll never do the missions so I can trade in a book for the faction.
VQ will give me more gold and faction in less time.
The Books are just so you have a reason to replay missions, and make it more appealing when a guildy asks help with a mission.
The books are not a good tool for farming.
It's a (small) reward for having fun.
But -like most people- I also have max SS-LB.
So NF book is even more useless to me :S
And I'm currently working on my luxon title.
But I'll never do the missions so I can trade in a book for the faction.
VQ will give me more gold and faction in less time.
The Books are just so you have a reason to replay missions, and make it more appealing when a guildy asks help with a mission.
The books are not a good tool for farming.
It's a (small) reward for having fun.
Shayne Hawke
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Welcome to the Suggestion forum. You suggest what ANet should do. Don't suggest that ANet should make suggestions about stuff.
Forgotton200
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Then this thread is over. If all you can say about the book is, "I want more stuff," but you have no idea for what you want, you're pretty much just begging.
Welcome to the Suggestion forum. You suggest what ANet should do. Don't suggest that ANet should make suggestions about stuff. |
/thread.
Everyone = /unsigned. Even Anet /unsigned.
Ariena Najea
Just increase the exp and gold given by the NM/HM books by a factor of 1.5/2 and problem solved.
As for the argument that the unique benefit of the Prophecies books is that they give more gold and exp, just look at how many missions must be done. Sure you don't need to get the bonus, but the total time taken to complete all of the missions is far longer in Tyria than either of the other continents.
Also this.
To the OP: Please make non-biased poll options, "Yes" or "No" will suffice.
To ANet: The addition of new grind-based titles makes me a sad panda
As for the argument that the unique benefit of the Prophecies books is that they give more gold and exp, just look at how many missions must be done. Sure you don't need to get the bonus, but the total time taken to complete all of the missions is far longer in Tyria than either of the other continents.
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To ANet: The addition of new grind-based titles makes me a sad panda
MithranArkanere
The problem with prohecies it's the emptyness that starts around Kryta and Maguuma.
You don't even have to make the primary quests, and the Level 20 monsters start appearing WAY to late.
There should be a huge referenum and ask people if they want the levels and drops revamped so the Level 20 stuff starts at Kryta, the Level 24 at maguuma and the level 28 at southern shiverpeaks.
You don't even have to make the primary quests, and the Level 20 monsters start appearing WAY to late.
There should be a huge referenum and ask people if they want the levels and drops revamped so the Level 20 stuff starts at Kryta, the Level 24 at maguuma and the level 28 at southern shiverpeaks.
Headchopperz
ur poll is biased
YES - Needs more purpose aka pick me
NO - I dont even care for pve anymore and if I can't benefit, others shouldn't either! aka if u pick me your a heartless moron....
shouldnt it be
NO - I do not wish to have a new title to farm.
YES - Needs more purpose aka pick me
NO - I dont even care for pve anymore and if I can't benefit, others shouldn't either! aka if u pick me your a heartless moron....
shouldnt it be
NO - I do not wish to have a new title to farm.