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Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

20 Dec 2008 at 22:40 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyrant rex

yes winning ats/mats to get rps is like using the "disability ramp" gud one thar

Do I need to point out the american evening AT's where maybe 1 or 2 guilds enter + a few auto forfeit guilds??

Not that I care for this change either way

I have a set on one char but rarely wear them.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

20 Dec 2008 at 22:42 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by lutz

Because emotes were never intended to be for PvE characters. PvE characters were always intended to be used for PvP.

See, here's the chain of events that ArenaNet originally had in mind:

Make a PvE character -> Play through PvE campaigns -> Discover PvP -> Go to PvP -> Play in PvP with PvE character, get rank, emotes, guild -> Begin making new PvE characters for PvP to look cooler -> make PvP characters

All they are doing is making that last step easier. What you're suggesting is an entire restructuring of the system.

No, I am not suggesting that.
The restructuring already happened.

A PvP player can jump to the last step and completely disregard PvE.
Which is superb.

A PvE player needs to do PvP.
Which isn't nice.

And that is coming from a company that is completely and utterly aware that people did NOT move onto PvP, thus refusing to follow their plan AND they actually responded favorably to the player's refusal.

lutz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Battery Powered Best Friends [Vibe]

Me/

20 Dec 2008 at 22:47 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

Do I need to point out the american evening AT's where maybe 1 or 2 guilds enter + a few auto forfeit guilds??

k go win them.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

20 Dec 2008 at 22:52 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by lutz

k go win them.

a) you dont need to win an AT to gain RPs and b) been there, done that

Valcion

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

A/

20 Dec 2008 at 22:56 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by credit

Or you could stop failing and go earn one, it's not like it's hard.

but what if I want a Tall Shield skin that is linked to Strength instead of Tactics in PvE? iirc the only existence of such a shield is a PvP only item.

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

20 Dec 2008 at 22:59 - 46

Until the PvP rewards go from "upgrades" to "unlocks", I don't think I'll be purchasing any.

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

20 Dec 2008 at 23:03 - 47

Step in the right direction, but still not enough. I think all armor and weapon skins should be unlocked from the start in PvP. That would cause plenty of PvE whine though so would never happen (even though it would improve the PvP product). Don't mind me though...I'm one of them so called radicals.

IXI Nine IXI

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2008

Spraypaint Assassins [TaG]

W/Me

20 Dec 2008 at 23:11 - 48

After reading some of the things said in this thread I'm a little surprised at the reactions. I really would not have expected a QQ thread from this. Some of you guys obviously have no idea how much work it takes to get enough RP's to unlock these skins. I'm sorry but the "PvE'ers deserve everything the PvP'ers get" argument is really stupid. Winning in PvE takes very little skill in comparison to winning in PvP.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

20 Dec 2008 at 23:14 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by credit

This is what annoys me. If anything, the value of earning them in PvP is higher than earning it in PvE.

To get enough rps you actually have to do well in AT/MAT/preds/etc to get enough RPs. I'm not sure about you, but I think doing well in those is much more difficult than perma sinning in UW.

sup

Bull.

You don't know jack about what you're talking about. With very little effort I've personally made more than that in less than two months. So can anybody else, with a head full of more than fruit salad.

God forbid you actually have to work for somthing with equal effort for equal reward value. You have a bright future as a professional social assistance sponge with that attitude.

Carry on sponge boy.

Evil Genius

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Australia

Mo/

20 Dec 2008 at 23:18 - 50

I am just amazed at how childish everyone is.

"MUMMMMMMMMMMMMMY HE HAS AN ICECREAM AND I DON'T. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA!"

Life is not fair. Live with it.

On a side note, PvE could have some new emotes for PvE emotes, but not the same ones as PvP emotes. PvP emote is for a specific PvP title.

Example:

In life (afk) you would get a gold medal for winning the 100m Olympic sprint. It would be inappropriate to award the same medal to a doctor for his altruistic work: not because he does not deserved recognition but because the gold medal for the 100m sprint is the wrong medal for the doctor's achievements.

credit

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2008

Team Apathy [aFk]

W/P

20 Dec 2008 at 23:19 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

Bull.

You don't know jack about what you're talking about. With very little effort I've personally made more than that in less than two months. So can anybody else, with a head full of more than fruit salad.

God forbid you actually have to work for somthing with equal effort for equal reward value. You have a bright future as a professional social assistance sponge with that attitude.

Carry on sponge boy.

It would take at the very least 1200 rps to actually be able to have Chaos Gloves, not 200.

I'm assuming you are talking about your XTH rewards, unless you have 3232527677735352424 accounts to predict on, I don't see you earning 1200 rps in "less than 2 months".

Nice try, carry on random whoru.

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

20 Dec 2008 at 23:21 - 52

I've been having a hard time trying to come up with something witty or sarcastic to mention regarding this update, so I'll just say this:

I don't PvP, so I have nothing to complain about... unless the spectacles and the blindfold are possible to be dyed different colors...

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

D/

20 Dec 2008 at 23:30 - 53

Facing facts, half of the "appeal" of chaos gloves must be the mere value/"look how rich I am" factor. I'd be happy about it getting slashed, except, well, it really isn't. Actually earning them through RPs would probably take at least a year (tournament predictions counting 1200 RP total cost) unless you were doing fairly well in HA or ATs... which isn't something anyone can do. Getting started in that level of PvP requires quite some dedication these days.

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

20 Dec 2008 at 23:31 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zydonis

When you Pvp'ers can earn yourselves Chaos Gloves by gathering Ectos for months, then you should have Chaos Gloves. Until then, keep PvPing.

u mad?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

You don't know jack about what you're talking about. With very little effort I've personally made more than that in less than two months. So can anybody else, with a head full of more than fruit salad.

If you're ok at the game you can make that in a couple of days instead of two months.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

20 Dec 2008 at 23:32 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by credit

It would take at the very least 1200 rps to actually be able to have Chaos Gloves, not 200.

I'm assuming you are talking about your XTH rewards, unless you have 3232527677735352424 accounts to predict on, I don't see you earning 1200 rps in "less than 2 months".

Nice try, carry on random whoru.

Slight correction - firstly you cannot transfer RPs between accounts and
IF you could.. assuming you have decent predictions you could get maybe 130 Rps in a month so youd only need 10 accounts to get in a month (or 5 accounts for 2 months).

I am not sure what the top guilds/most active AT guilds get for RP rewards these days, but Im sure they add up quickly over a month if they do a few ATs and a mAT

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

20 Dec 2008 at 23:34 - 56

So how long does it really take to get the 1200 rps? And do you have to get the 1200 rps for another character too, or only the 200 for the actual gloves?

EDIT. Found it on the wiki: You need to purchase 50 pieces of Basic armor per account before you have access to Fancy armor.

So you need the 1000 rps to get access to fancy armor only once. After that it is 200 rps for the gloves for PvP players and 75 ectos and 10p for PvE players.

credit

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2008

Team Apathy [aFk]

W/P

20 Dec 2008 at 23:35 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

Slight correction - firstly you cannot transfer RPs between accounts and
IF you could.. assuming you have decent predictions you could get maybe 130 Rps in a month so youd only need 10 accounts to get in a month (or 5 accounts for 2 months).

thanks for the info tips

i don't know where i'd be without this helpful information

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

So how long does it really take to get the 1200 rps?

depends on how good/how often you play.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

And do you have to get the 1200 rps for another character too, or only the 200 for the actual gloves?

you have to unlock 1000 rps worth of basic armors before you can even have the chance to get chaos gloves, which are only 200rps.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

20 Dec 2008 at 23:39 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by credit

Your point would stand if all of those rps could be transferred to one account, fortunately though, they can't. lol

Nice try.

It was just something that struck me as funny....that aside, however, your argument for the "1200" points is moot.

I'm assuming you paid for unlocking items up to the gloves. You spent those points already. The 200 point price is required for unlocking the gloves.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

20 Dec 2008 at 23:42 - 59

PvErs need ~375k to get chaos gloves. PvPers need 1200 RP's (equivalent of 1200k if they got zkeys and sold them for 5k each).

Why are PvErs complaining again? Because PvP characters can get shiny hands?

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

20 Dec 2008 at 23:50 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

PvErs need ~375k to get chaos gloves. PvPers need 1200 RP's (equivalent of 1200k if they got zkeys and sold them for 5k each).

Why are PvErs complaining again? Because PvP characters can get shiny hands?

No, you need 1000rps once over all your characters on that account and then 200 rps per chaos gloves. PvE need 75 ectos and 10p per chaos gloves. I normaly get around 80 rps from the predictions. So after a year of guessing (not playing the game) I would have gotten that 1000 points investment for free. After that it is a new chaos glove every 2.5 month, which is equivalent to 200p, not 375.

Dmitri3

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada, almost got to see a polar bear... :P

20 Dec 2008 at 23:51 - 61

Forget the QQ.

I like the change and my main (yes, it's a PvP char) will be happy too.

If you want the gloves or something for PvE chars, turn your points into zkeys and sell them, buy the gloves. Problem solved.

P.S. Don't forget we must purchase 50 basic skins just to gain access to fancy, 50 fancy for exotic and same for armor... All the QQ is simply misinformed. If anything, PvP way will cost you more.

Ragnorak

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Castration Signet [Ouch]

20 Dec 2008 at 23:55 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

PvErs need ~375k to get chaos gloves. PvPers need 1200 RP's (equivalent of 1200k if they got zkeys and sold them for 5k each).

I think its more than that (Basic > Fancy > Exotic, because for some dumb reason all the EotN armor is in weapons, to make it harder to get I guess).

Anyways, I managed to read up to about page 3 of this thread laughing at PvErs crying and thinking about what I might be able to say to shut them up. Then I remembered that Guild Wars is a GAME, specifically a pretty DEAD game, which the developers have appeared to have given up on for the most part so that they can concentrate on their next project.

Please, please, please, just ask yourselves if these RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing gloves or emotes that were only cool 3 years ago are worth getting upset about.

Go bake a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing cake or something, much more productive.

Wild Rituals

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2008

NZ

Frenzy More [Plz]

Mo/W

20 Dec 2008 at 23:58 - 63

So this thread went from a Yay - pvp vs pve - flame each other for being bad/good - working out u needed to unlock stuff before u even got shiny hands - more pvp vs pve - pve'ers QQing because they cant get that many Rp's then back to flaming each other

On a side note, It would still be alot faster to buy them on a pve character anyways, Just turn the Rp's in for Zkeys sell them and buy ecto's
Much faster imo

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

21 Dec 2008 at 00:00 - 64

Don´t forget winning a monthly GvG tournament grants you 4500 rps!!! If 100 guilds participate and you are the number 80 at the end, you would get (100 - 80 + 1)*4500/100=0.21*4500=945 rps. Being the last gives you 45 and the second last 90 points.

Dmitri3

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada, almost got to see a polar bear... :P

21 Dec 2008 at 00:00 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragnorak

Anyways, I managed to read up to about page 3 of this thread laughing at PvErs crying and thinking about what I might be able to say to shut them up.

Well, personally, it just proved that PvE people that complained don't know anything about how PvP rewards system works.

Not that I'm blaming them, but opening wiki page and reading about it could have prevented 90% QQ posts here.

Ragnorak

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Castration Signet [Ouch]

21 Dec 2008 at 00:03 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Don´t forget winning a monthly GvG tournament grants you 4500 rps!!!

OK, now this is the highlight of the thread, everyone read this guys point several times please. Definitely wins the arguement, I think I can safely admit defeat.

PvErs > PvPers.

Well that settles it then, time to delete all my PvP characters and farm mindlessly so that I can buy Chaos Gloves the only FAIR and JUST way there is. BY GRINDING!!!!!!!!!

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

21 Dec 2008 at 00:29 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragnorak

OK, now this is the highlight of the thread, everyone read this guys point several times please. Definitely wins the arguement, I think I can safely admit defeat.

PvErs > PvPers.

Well that settles it then, time to delete all my PvP characters and farm mindlessly so that I can buy Chaos Gloves the only FAIR and JUST way there is. BY GRINDING!!!!!!!!!

The point is if you are good enough you are getting a ridiculous amount of rps. 4500 points are 4500p if sold as Z-keys, every month!

xDusT II

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Melbourne

21 Dec 2008 at 00:41 - 68

It took me under a week to farm my Chaos Gloves so I don't understand where this "months of farming" claim is coming from, unless your extremely slow/terrible. It's still going to be easier to PvE the chaos gloves for 98% of the GW population so who gives a shit anyway.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

21 Dec 2008 at 00:53 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by IXI Nine IXI

After reading some of the things said in this thread I'm a little surprised at the reactions. I really would not have expected a QQ thread from this. Some of you guys obviously have no idea how much work it takes to get enough RP's to unlock these skins.

I can do ALL the PvE I want and I'll NEVER unlock the tiger though PvE.
A lot of work is ALWAYS faster then never being able to do so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IXI Nine IXI

I'm sorry but the "PvE'ers deserve everything the PvP'ers get" argument is really stupid. Winning in PvE takes very little skill in comparison to winning in PvP.

Like i said - you don't need to win against the best players. You just need to keep winning against the crappy ones.
The skill argument would actually be viable if you ONLY gained fame by beating people that at least as skilled as you are.
Otherwise - you are just a farmer that sucks at picking locations.

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

21 Dec 2008 at 01:27 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by kashrlyyk

No, you need 1000rps once over all your characters on that account and then 200 rps per chaos gloves. PvE need 75 ectos and 10p per chaos gloves. I normaly get around 80 rps from the predictions. So after a year of guessing (not playing the game) I would have gotten that 1000 points investment for free. After that it is a new chaos glove every 2.5 month, which is equivalent to 200p, not 375.

okie...so the cost effectiveness break point where pvp chaos gloves become cheaper than pve chaos gloves is after ur 6th pair

do u really want more than 6 different pvp charas all wit chaos gloves?
1 is fugly nuff already

Quote:

The point is if you are good enough you are getting a ridiculous amount of rps. 4500 points are 4500p if sold as Z-keys, every month!

okie so 8ppl out of the million that play gw get this luxury
while nearly any nub can farm ecto

shouldnt the more deserving players get the more deserving rewards?

honestly...pvp should get more attention because gw is a pvp game
at least it was....until all the pve qq's came and anet gave in to them

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

21 Dec 2008 at 02:16 - 71

who cares what you wear in PvP if you can't win?

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

21 Dec 2008 at 02:22 - 72

This is what is wrong with Guru.