PvE Sin Build: Good or Bad?

Its Rampage

Its Rampage

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2008

Kamadan, District 2

[KoL]

A/

SKILLS:
Asuran Scan
Fox's Promise
Jagged Strike
Golden Fang Strike
Death Blossom
Critical Agility
Critical Defenses
Mystic Regeneration

ATTRIBUTES:
10+2 Dagger Mastery
12+1 Critical Strikes
8 Earth Prayers

EQUIPMENT:
Full Surivor, Minor Critical Strikes, Minor Dagger Mastery, Superior Vigor.
+1 Dagger Mastery Headpiece.
Max Zealous 15>50 Daggers of Enchanting.

Truegen

Truegen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Michigan

Clan Dethryche [dth]

It's certainly solid enough...seems to me like Fox's Promise is a wasted elite in PvE however, since you'll encounter very few enemies that you'd need it for

azlnick

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/

Considering you can just bring a hero with anti block, I would replace Fox's Promise with Seeping Wound or Flashing Blades because then you can have some decent defence with Flashing Blades and more degen and a hex for Seeping Wound which is 1337 for discord teams : )

snaek

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

fox's promise is pretty bad...
but seeping wound and flashing blades r worse

Bobby2

Bobby2

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2007

Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards

[MaSS]

W/E

Overly defensive.

Its Rampage

Its Rampage

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2008

Kamadan, District 2

[KoL]

A/

Any suggestions to fix?

Should I make it,
SKILLS:
Asuran Scan
Jagged Strike
Golden Fang Strike
Death Blossom
Moebius Strike
Critical Agility
Critical Defenses
Mystic Regeneration

ATTRIBUTES:
10+2 Dagger Mastery
12+1 Critical Strikes
8 Earth Prayers

EQUIPMENT:
Full Radiant, Minor Critical Strikes, Minor Dagger Mastery, Superior Vigor.
+1 Dagger Mastery Headpiece.
Max Zealous 15>50 Daggers of Fortitude.

poasiods

poasiods

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

R/

How about Moebius strike for Moebius + Death Blossom chain?
Do you need full radiant set-up? Seems like having 13 in crit strikes and zealous dagger would be enough to keep your energy up.

Bobby2

Bobby2

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2007

Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards

[MaSS]

W/E

Basic frame:

[empty][empty][death [email protected]][moebius [email protected]][empty][empty][critical agility][empty]

What I'm using atm:

[black mantis [email protected]][wild [email protected]][death [email protected]][moebius [email protected]][save yourselves][critical [email protected]][critical agility][asuran scan]
(Swapping SY! out for whatever's handy if someone else is covering it)

People's preferences regarding Lead/Off-hand attacks differ but [jagged strike] is just awful. Let it die somewhere.

Also, [critical defenses] and [mystic regeneration] only help if
A - you overextend
B - your Monk(s) suck
C - you've made the foolish decision of running Radiants

Xx Da Best Xx

Xx Da Best Xx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2008

LA

For everyday PvE, i usually use this...
[Way of the Assassin][Golden Fox Strike][Wild Strike][Death Blossom][Asuran Scan]["I Am The Strongest!"]["By Urals Hammer!"][Optional]

High dmg output. You could replace WotA with a dif elite and put in Critical agility.

For the optional...You could put in Brutal Weapon for even more dmg, or a res.

ac1inferno

ac1inferno

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Boston

We D Shot Your Stances [GODS]

A/W

[build prof=A/any crit=12+1 dagger=12+1+1][Unsuspecting Strike][Golden Fang Strike][Death Blossom][optional][Critical Eye][Fox's promise][Critical Agility][Resurrection Signet][/build]
* [[Dash]
* [[Wild [email protected]]
* [[Critical [email protected]]
* [[Assassin's Remedy (PvE) @14]

* Survivor armor.
* Zealous/Vampiric Daggers of Fortitude.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Me doesnt liek your build, best thing a sin can have in pve is MS/DB so stick to it, thats first thing. If you go against blocking stuff and enchies take a shattersin which is very powerful in that case and is unblockable too but everything other than that, scythesins, swordsins, hammersins, sins with wota or FP are pretty poor.

Unreal Havoc

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2007

[build prof=A/any crit=12+1 dagger=12+1+1][Unsuspecting Strike][Golden Fang Strike][Death Blossom][Moebius Strike][Wild Blow][Critical Eye][Critical Agility][Resurrection Signet][/build]

You can swap Critical Eye for Critical Strike for more on demand energy management if you need it.

In areas where stance blocking isn't an issue take Save Yourselves instead of Wild Blow.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

no [save yourselves!] D:?!?!?!

Unreal Havoc

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2007

Paragons are great.

Also you really should learn to read.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

I was so shocked I havent seen you wrote something under it, omigash as if you always have a paragon handy in your pocket no you dont [wild blow] over [save yourselves!] is silly and [wild strike] > stances.

Unreal Havoc

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2007

Well I have a Paragon so...

Also I prefer not having to restart my chain to remove a stance in areas full of stance blocking, and Wild Blow nets me back like 5 energy so it technically costs me 0 energy to use compared to 8 energy to remove a stance using Golden Fox Strike -> Wild Strike, taking the use of zealous daggers into account.

It's all preference at the end of the day, I care less what others think about something that works quite well for me.

Also I can say screw Ressurection Signets, I'm a glass cannon anyway, and take both Wild Blow and Save Yourselves. The loss of adrenaline is easily made up quickly enough. My guild is not so bad that they can't live without +100al for a few seconds.

ac0okiemonst3r

ac0okiemonst3r

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

Georgia on my mind

T H P K Forever [Owya]

A/

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load that and take a gander. idk how to post fancy images like u guys :>

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc View Post
Well I have a Paragon so...
and how are you using him and your sin at once ?????

Quote: Also I prefer not having to restart my chain to remove a stance in areas full of stance blocking, and Wild Blow nets me back like 5 energy so it technically costs me 0 energy to use compared to 8 energy to remove a stance using Golden Fox Strike -> Wild Strike, taking the use of zealous daggers into account. Stuff doesnt use blocking stances right away more like when they are almost dead so it doesnt matter, actually fox+wild is much faster way to finish it off in that case thanks to +damage.


Quote:
It's all preference at the end of the day, I care less what others think about something that works quite well for me. [mending]

Quote:
Also I can say screw Ressurection Signets, I'm a glass cannon anyway, and take both Wild Blow and Save Yourselves. The loss of adrenaline is easily made up quickly enough. My guild is not so bad that they can't live without +100al for a few seconds. screw res sigs!!!!!! D:<

+100al helps I'd rather have that heck I dont care about uberfast stance removal or deepwpund much when I pve wtf as if 100 damage on one target once would matter as opposed to aggroing shizloads of stuff and kieling them swiftly.

Unreal Havoc

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Igor View Post
and how are you using him and your sin at once ?????
I don't. If we need +100al on the whole party I'll be useful and take my Paragon as it can also spread other incredible partywide damage mitigation, aswell as party wide damage buffs.

Quote:
Stuff doesnt use blocking stances right away more like when they are almost dead so it doesnt matter, actually fox+wild is much faster way to finish it off in that case thanks to +damage.
So restart your chain on a near dead target then restart it again on the next target, great way to waste your damage potential when you can just Wild Blow -> back into double strike damage spam from where you left off.

Quote:
[mending] No valid point here. If you want to use Mending, be my guest.

Quote:
screw res sigs!!!!!! D:< Still can't read?

Quote:
+100al helps I'd rather have that heck I dont care about uberfast stance removal or deepwpund much when I pve wtf as if 100 damage on one target once would matter as opposed to aggroing shizloads of stuff and kieling them swiftly. Good for you.

MisterT69

MisterT69

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Scions of Carver [SCAR]

E/

[unsuspecting strike][wild strike][death blossom][moebius strike][critical eye][critical agility][critical defenses][save yourselves]
That's what I typically run on my sin. Main reason I have jagged instead of a weaker skill is because I would rather have the target die faster (monk for ex) than drawing it out for the AoE, because it's not too hard to restart the moebisu chain which takes 4 seconds total to reset lol.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

[assassins remedy] > [critical defenses] tbh :P
Except it's boring enough to make your eyes bleed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc View Post Also I prefer not having to restart my chain to remove a stance in areas full of stance blocking, and Wild Blow nets me back like 5 energy so it technically costs me 0 energy to use compared to 8 energy to remove a stance using Golden Fox Strike -> Wild Strike, taking the use of zealous daggers into account.
Truth. A lot of it depends on how badly you want [golden fang strike]. All things considered I don't like it much for PvE, and there's no need for dual stance removal.

I'm running [black mantis thrust] over [golden fox strike] for its interaction with [asuran scan]. AI goes 'OMGWTFSTANCENOW' and [wild strike] nabs it. Predictability ftw.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Igor
[assassin's remedy] > [critical defenses] tbh :P Chuuuurch.

Quote: I do believe that the "help" is found within at least 90% of sin build threads.

I fail to see, however, how saying that a skill bar is bad shows play potential.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ac0okiemonst3r
be prepared to take a beating If your backline can't keep you alive with everybody else having +100AL, leave your guild.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby2 View Post

If your backline can't keep you alive with everybody else having +100AL, leave your guild. or party, or heroes! QQ

Bobby2

Bobby2

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2007

Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards

[MaSS]

W/E

I get a funny feeling in my belly everytime I critical, so no.

ac0okiemonst3r

ac0okiemonst3r

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

Georgia on my mind

T H P K Forever [Owya]

A/

[Shadow Form] lol. i win ^^. but seriously, im tired of seeing ppl use this in pvp even tho it has nothing to do with this thread xD

Like a Ninja

Like a Ninja

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2008

A/D

[Golden Phoenix Strike][Siphon Speed][Moebius Strike][Death Blossom][Critical Defenses][Critical Agility][Way of Perfection][Mystic Regeneration]

Trust me, it works if you know how to use it. Just make sure you always have an enchantment up, and reapply [mystic regeneration] every time it wears off.

ac0okiemonst3r

ac0okiemonst3r

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

Georgia on my mind

T H P K Forever [Owya]

A/

i like how u guys rat on the guy, and not help him. shows how u are in-game.

[Golden Fox Strike][Wild Strike][Shattering Assault][Critical Strike][Asuran Scan][Brawling Headbutt][Critical Agility]<--last slot can be any low energy,long last cover enchant for crit agility
[Golden Phoenix Strike][Wild Strike][Shattering Assault][Critical Strike][Asuran Scan][Brawling Headbutt][Critical Agility]<--last slot can be any low energy,long last cover enchant for crit agility I also believe that Golden Phoenix Strike is a typo and you were meant to say Golden Fox Strike.

Also you can't cover Crit Agility unless you use Crit Defenses, and I don't even think that covers the skill - it's also a waste of a skill slot too.

ac0okiemonst3r

ac0okiemonst3r

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

Georgia on my mind

T H P K Forever [Owya]

A/

indeed it was, check edit. and im talking about a low cost enchant form enchant strips, vital boon example

Unreal Havoc

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby2 View Post
I get a funny feeling in my belly everytime I critical, so no. But I get a funny feeling when Hard Mode feels like Easy Mode.

Bobby2

Bobby2

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2007

Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards

[MaSS]

W/E

That's another matter altogether. People don't make threads here asking how to challenge themselves.