Hello! I seem to be having a problem that others have had in this forum.
For Xmas I received a new PNY GeForce 9800 GTX+ and Guild Wars doesn't seem to take kindly to it. I can play Guild Wars from 1 min to several hours before my system black screens and reboots.
I've played Guild Wars for several years now on my old GeForce 7800 GT and the only change I've made to my system before it started crashing was installing the new card.
So far Guild Wars is the only game/program that makes my computer crash with the 9800 GTX+
I've tried the 5 latest drivers for this card, all to no avail; it doesn't seem to be a driver issue.
It can't be a power issue as I'm running a 700W PSU with 4 12V rails and have double checked that I connected the power correctly for my PSU.
It's not a temperature issue because the card never gets over 60C (as well as all the other components) and the crash can occur right after a cold boot.
Doesn't seem to have anything to do with processor affinity either.
I've tried running GW in dx8 mode and it crashed right away.
It seems like GW just doesn't play well with this card. I need to get this fixed soon or I'm going to return the card before the return date is up.
Here are my system specs:
Windows Vista Home Premium w/ latest updates
Intel Core 2 Duo 6700
ASUS P5B-Plus Motherboard
PNY 512MB GeForce 9800 GTX+
2x 1024MB Corsair XM2 RAM DDR2 800Mhz
Current drivers:
Nvidia 177.79 (off of disc that came with card, tried also 178.13, 178.24, 180.48, and 180.84beta)
DirectX 10
Any help/ideas you may have would be very much appreciated.
GW + 9800 GTX+ = HW crash
LucidSnake
Elder III
probably won't matter, considering what you have already done, but dic you try forcing GW to run with one core?
It seems as if the 9800 GTX and GW do not like each other very much, esp. with Vista.
It seems as if the 9800 GTX and GW do not like each other very much, esp. with Vista.
LucidSnake
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Originally Posted by Elder III
probably won't matter, considering what you have already done, but dic you try forcing GW to run with one core?
It seems as if the 9800 GTX and GW do not like each other very much, esp. with Vista. |
And as a general update I lowered all graphic settings in GW to the lowest settings and I still crashed.
I'm going to be e-mailing Anet support, PNY, and Nvidia to see if they have any insight on this bug. First (something I neglected to do) I'm going to try to re-install DirectX.
Lord Sojar
There is no known bug in our database regarding this. I forwarded a description of this to the help desk. They should have something for me tomorrow.
kupp
Well I have a BFG 9800GTX OCX and Windows Vista x64 and don't have any kind or problems. That's some weird stuff you got there, no error message, nothing? You can always try installign PNY driver's instead of Nvidia's, most likely it won't do anything but it's worth a try. Also, uninstall the old driver's using DH Driver Cleaner, you'd be surprised the amount of problems I solved using that software.
If nothing works, I say you go for a format and reinstall Windows before returning the card. That's a monster you have there, just because GW doesn't work properly on it you shouldn't return it if you play any other games... But it's your choice.
If nothing works, I say you go for a format and reinstall Windows before returning the card. That's a monster you have there, just because GW doesn't work properly on it you shouldn't return it if you play any other games... But it's your choice.
LucidSnake
UPDATE: getting the latest DirectX updates did not resolve the problem.
UPDATE: I played COD4 several hours tonight and at the end I "lagged out" and then my computer crashed, so I guess this is no longer a "guild wars only" problem.
Thanks for everyone's input, I think I may be on the path to the problem:
Earlier today I tried setting thermometers along the card and ran it until it crashed. Now, while the part of the card closer to the back to the computer was cool (which is where the GPU temperature reading is) the part of the card closer to the front of the computer was extremely hot.
For some reason PNY decided it was necessary to change the fan layout so that air is pushed to the front of the case instead of out the back, so the heat gets trapped towards the front of the case and quickly overheats the card (at least this is my hypothesis).
I'm going to try running the card at a lower temperature tomorrow (with increased airflow and a lower clock rate) and see if I run stable all day before affirming that this is the problem.
UPDATE: I played COD4 several hours tonight and at the end I "lagged out" and then my computer crashed, so I guess this is no longer a "guild wars only" problem.
Thanks for everyone's input, I think I may be on the path to the problem:
Earlier today I tried setting thermometers along the card and ran it until it crashed. Now, while the part of the card closer to the back to the computer was cool (which is where the GPU temperature reading is) the part of the card closer to the front of the computer was extremely hot.
For some reason PNY decided it was necessary to change the fan layout so that air is pushed to the front of the case instead of out the back, so the heat gets trapped towards the front of the case and quickly overheats the card (at least this is my hypothesis).
I'm going to try running the card at a lower temperature tomorrow (with increased airflow and a lower clock rate) and see if I run stable all day before affirming that this is the problem.
w0utje15
Have you checked your Hardware Driver, in your Systems Tab?
I have a MSI 9800GTX and the driver on Vista went automaticly to VGA Graphics Driver,
which lets you play for a time and then crashes.. Atleast on my PC that was the problem..
So check if your Computer Recognizes your card as a 9800GTX or just a VGA card.
I have a MSI 9800GTX and the driver on Vista went automaticly to VGA Graphics Driver,
which lets you play for a time and then crashes.. Atleast on my PC that was the problem..
So check if your Computer Recognizes your card as a 9800GTX or just a VGA card.
LucidSnake
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Have you checked your Hardware Driver, in your Systems Tab?
I have a MSI 9800GTX and the driver on Vista went automaticly to VGA Graphics Driver, which lets you play for a time and then crashes.. Atleast on my PC that was the problem.. So check if your Computer Recognizes your card as a 9800GTX or just a VGA card. |
Lord Sojar
Helpdesk emailed me back. After searching through numerous databases, they found absolutely no open cases or known closed cases regarding this. This must be heat/hardware failure related.
Zodiak
You may want to run a software called DriverCleaner. It will erase any known insitance of your video driver on your computer. Then reinstall your video drivers.
Careful though if you have nvdia drivers for things like network and such as it may erase those. Chose your options wisely when using it.
Careful though if you have nvdia drivers for things like network and such as it may erase those. Chose your options wisely when using it.
LucidSnake
I was going to try DriverCleaner but it now costs $$, and I didn't feel it was worth it.
I'm going to assume at this point that it's a heat/hardware issue and return this card for a different brand that spits heat out of the BACK of the case, and see if that fixes the problem. Kind of odd though as my old card feels hotter and it runs 100% stable on the same drivers.
I'll update this thread with any future development of this issue.
I'm going to assume at this point that it's a heat/hardware issue and return this card for a different brand that spits heat out of the BACK of the case, and see if that fixes the problem. Kind of odd though as my old card feels hotter and it runs 100% stable on the same drivers.
I'll update this thread with any future development of this issue.
Lord Sojar
LucidSnake
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Re-installed the drivers from the CD and crashed in Guild Wars like it was it's job.
Definitely going to return the card now and try a different one, will update whenever I get this problem fixed in case someone else is in my same boat.
Gneppe
Your problem seems like mine, do you have to reboot or does it reboot by yourself, do you see this on your monitor "No Signal" message? if so there is definately a problem with 9800gtx+ and games cause i get that mistake too.
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I had a thread in this forum aswell, where i think 3 other users of 9800GTX+ shared the same problem as me.:
http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10337209
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The screen goes black after some time gaming (CoD,Crysis, Warhammer Online) but in GW the game crashes instantly.
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I had a thread in this forum aswell, where i think 3 other users of 9800GTX+ shared the same problem as me.:
http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10337209
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The screen goes black after some time gaming (CoD,Crysis, Warhammer Online) but in GW the game crashes instantly.
LucidSnake
So I got a brand new card (an eVGA) and I'm having the exact same problem. When I was waiting for it to be delivered I was on my 7600GT the whole time with no crashes.
This is getting old.
This is getting old.
moriz
with the card out of the way (and i'm pretty sure 9800GTX+ have no issues with GW), we'll have to look at other things. software conflict might be it. personally, i'd check which of the four rails you are connecting your card to. your power supply might not be able to dynamically adjust load on the four rails, which would be a problem if you connected everything to one rail.
LucidSnake
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Originally Posted by moriz
with the card out of the way (and i'm pretty sure 9800GTX+ have no issues with GW), we'll have to look at other things. software conflict might be it. personally, i'd check which of the four rails you are connecting your card to. your power supply might not be able to dynamically adjust load on the four rails, which would be a problem if you connected everything to one rail.
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I have a Thermaltake W0106 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153039) that has 1x 8-pin PCI-E connector that comes out of the PSU and then 2x modular 6-pin PCI-E connections.
Currently I'm just using the 8-pin (has an 8-pin to 6-pin adapter that comes with the PSU), I'm going to try using one of the other 6-pins. Note that the eVGA 9800 GTX+ only requires 1 6-pin PCI-E connection.
Lord Sojar
Have you actually checked the voltages on your rails to make sure they are stable and high enough under load?
Download EVEREST HOME and make sure they are running ok. Post them here.
Download EVEREST HOME and make sure they are running ok. Post them here.
LucidSnake
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Have you actually checked the voltages on your rails to make sure they are stable and high enough under load?
Download EVEREST HOME and make sure they are running ok. Post them here. |
I'll update once I'm home and can run it and if things look bad I plan to go grab a new PSU (I'm fortunate to have a Microcenter nearby with excellent prices on computer parts).
Fril Estelin
Just in passing, may I suggest a BIOS update?
A heavier solution would be uninstall everything graphics-related in Vista, including DX, and then reinstall. Only as a last resort!
I mention this as it's software-related, thus fairly easy to try, contrary to hardware.
GL.
A heavier solution would be uninstall everything graphics-related in Vista, including DX, and then reinstall. Only as a last resort!
I mention this as it's software-related, thus fairly easy to try, contrary to hardware.
GL.
LucidSnake
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
Just in passing, may I suggest a BIOS update?
A heavier solution would be uninstall everything graphics-related in Vista, including DX, and then reinstall. Only as a last resort! I mention this as it's software-related, thus fairly easy to try, contrary to hardware. GL. |
It'd be nice to know if someone out there has got a 9800 GTX+ to work on an ASUS P5B-Plus motherboard though
Currently my last resort is to just re-format my computer, but this is my *last* option (I've got other stuff to try first).
As far as "software" goes, I've never known a software problem to just kick off the computer instantly and reboot. I've had this sort of behavior before when my RAM settings were wrong, so it smells of hardware to me at the moment.
I eagerly await work to be over so I can figure out if it's my PSU or not. I know you are all eagerly awaiting my response to so I'll keep you posted
LucidSnake
So I think we might have this *SOLVED* (knocks on wood for about an hour)
I successfully played GW all night without a single crash... with a new PSU.
The free version of Everest didn't work for me (incompatible with my south bridge), so I just went out and bought a PSU with the intention of returning it if it didn't work. And... seems to have worked.
So in summary the problem was that I had a 4 12V rail PSU that had 18A on each rail. The first two rails are dedicated to the processor and the last two are for everything else, and I guess however it's configured the last two don't have what it takes for my 9800 GTX+. Keep in mind I am also running 2 HDD (1 10,000 RPM raptor and one 7,200 RPM), 2 optical drives, 4 case fans, and 2 other PCI cards.
So I went out and bought a single 12V rail rated at 60A and it seems to have fixed my problem. Here is what I bought at an awesome price with rebate: http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0273362 (yes I'm lucky in that I have a Micro Center nearby)
I successfully played GW all night without a single crash... with a new PSU.
The free version of Everest didn't work for me (incompatible with my south bridge), so I just went out and bought a PSU with the intention of returning it if it didn't work. And... seems to have worked.
So in summary the problem was that I had a 4 12V rail PSU that had 18A on each rail. The first two rails are dedicated to the processor and the last two are for everything else, and I guess however it's configured the last two don't have what it takes for my 9800 GTX+. Keep in mind I am also running 2 HDD (1 10,000 RPM raptor and one 7,200 RPM), 2 optical drives, 4 case fans, and 2 other PCI cards.
So I went out and bought a single 12V rail rated at 60A and it seems to have fixed my problem. Here is what I bought at an awesome price with rebate: http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0273362 (yes I'm lucky in that I have a Micro Center nearby)
moriz
well, two 12v rails at 18A each is 36A, which is a ridiculous 432W. trust me, no processor in the world (or graphic card for that matter) uses that much by itself.
it's more than likely that you were trying to power the card from one 12V rail, which is 216W, and then somehow ending up sharing that rail with a bunch of other peripherals.
it's more than likely that you were trying to power the card from one 12V rail, which is 216W, and then somehow ending up sharing that rail with a bunch of other peripherals.
LucidSnake
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Originally Posted by moriz
well, two 12v rails at 18A each is 36A, which is a ridiculous 432W. trust me, no processor in the world (or graphic card for that matter) uses that much by itself.
it's more than likely that you were trying to power the card from one 12V rail, which is 216W, and then somehow ending up sharing that rail with a bunch of other peripherals. |
Santa Is Leet
ive been having similar problems with my new 9800gtx+, except now instead of crashing or freezing, my game will not even start. my latest efforts of installing the newest bios update are to no avail. (sry to bring this thread to life)
my specs:
windows vista 32 bit home premium
nvidia geforce 9800gtx+ (disc drivers, the latest make my pc crash)
intel core 2 duo 2.4Ghz e6600
2 GB ram ddr2 667
motherboard is a Dell DXP061
i have directx 10
it might also help you guys to know that i have only one pci express card slot on my motherboard and that my power supply is a BFG GS-series ATX12V 2.2 650w. http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgr650wgspsu.aspx
my specs:
windows vista 32 bit home premium
nvidia geforce 9800gtx+ (disc drivers, the latest make my pc crash)
intel core 2 duo 2.4Ghz e6600
2 GB ram ddr2 667
motherboard is a Dell DXP061
i have directx 10
it might also help you guys to know that i have only one pci express card slot on my motherboard and that my power supply is a BFG GS-series ATX12V 2.2 650w. http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgr650wgspsu.aspx
moriz
to be honest, i'm surprised that you've managed to hook a 3rd party PSU to a dell motherboard. normally dell motherboards are purposely designed to be incompatible with normal PSUs, which forces you to upgrade through dell instead.
Santa Is Leet
ahaha. lets just say, i went through a deal of trouble, a 15 pin sata cable extender, and some terrible looking cable management to make it work. In reality, it wasnt the motherboard that made it incompatible, it was the fact that i only had one sata cable with multiple male ends, and the hard drive and cd/dvd drives were on opposite ends of the case, so the cable didnt reach to both.
Santa Is Leet
any1 guna post with some new advice here? ive tried most of the things posted here and the power supply is well over the requirements for my card.
LucidSnake
Santa,
You are probably having the same problem I've had even though it may not seem like it. Your have multiple 12V rails just like I did and your graphics card might be on a rail with a bunch of other devices and exceed your 20A limit.
You might try switching your graphics card PCI-E power to another connector if you have some.
You are probably having the same problem I've had even though it may not seem like it. Your have multiple 12V rails just like I did and your graphics card might be on a rail with a bunch of other devices and exceed your 20A limit.
You might try switching your graphics card PCI-E power to another connector if you have some.
Aluvard
Soo, for the Geforce 9800 GTX+ you need:
1. a PSU with 36 Ampere on all 12V lines (dont think 24A +12A=36A, there goes a bit lost!)
->Look up in the manual, there have to stand it!
2. you need 2 x 6Pin Males
3. check if you Mainboard is comatible with the Graphicscard, can check that by
asking the seller
-> If you card still dont works, then its damaged!
have the same card.
At the beginning always got a blackscreen by playing some games.
Then i buyed a new PSU and then i got Graphic Errors.
-> I send the Card back and got a new graphic card (the same type again)
now my computer works.
There are in general great problems by some gtx+, so get a new one.
1. a PSU with 36 Ampere on all 12V lines (dont think 24A +12A=36A, there goes a bit lost!)
->Look up in the manual, there have to stand it!
2. you need 2 x 6Pin Males
3. check if you Mainboard is comatible with the Graphicscard, can check that by
asking the seller
-> If you card still dont works, then its damaged!
have the same card.
At the beginning always got a blackscreen by playing some games.
Then i buyed a new PSU and then i got Graphic Errors.
-> I send the Card back and got a new graphic card (the same type again)
now my computer works.
There are in general great problems by some gtx+, so get a new one.
Santa Is Leet
I unfortunately do not have any other pci-e slots to switch to and only 2 6 pin connectors(which is all i should need), the other issue i have with the power supply thing is that the card only hiccups when i start guild wars; it works like a charm for everything else, and my screen becomes unresponsive forcing me to shut off the computer only when i play guildwars.
an update, i looked up the psu rails, and both 12v rails are rated for a max of 20 amps on each, though i dont know why i need 36 amps on each rail for guildwars when my card runs smoothly for other games at only 20 amps max a rail, lucid snake, if u could tell me how to find out whether or not my card is running off of one rail or both and what other peripherals are running off each rail as well, it would be most helpful(in the same category how to reroute what runs off of each rail)
an update, i looked up the psu rails, and both 12v rails are rated for a max of 20 amps on each, though i dont know why i need 36 amps on each rail for guildwars when my card runs smoothly for other games at only 20 amps max a rail, lucid snake, if u could tell me how to find out whether or not my card is running off of one rail or both and what other peripherals are running off each rail as well, it would be most helpful(in the same category how to reroute what runs off of each rail)
Aluvard
You dont need 36 ampere on each rail.
watch in the internet or the manual.
All 12 volt rails should have more then 36 ampere at all.
ill show you an examble of my psu:
+3,3V 36 A
+5Vsb 3 A
+5V 30 A
+12V1 18 A
+12V2 18 A
+12V3 18 A
+12V4 18 A
+12V All in All 48,3 A
-12V 0,5 A
This is what you have to look up.
My PSu is an OCZ StealthXStream 600W.
watch in the internet or the manual.
All 12 volt rails should have more then 36 ampere at all.
ill show you an examble of my psu:
+3,3V 36 A
+5Vsb 3 A
+5V 30 A
+12V1 18 A
+12V2 18 A
+12V3 18 A
+12V4 18 A
+12V All in All 48,3 A
-12V 0,5 A
This is what you have to look up.
My PSu is an OCZ StealthXStream 600W.
Santa Is Leet
yes sry i didn't post back earlier, i did some serious researching last night about the advantages of single and multiple rail psu's, and yes my psu is 40 amps on all 12v rails, which u think would do the trick right? But after some research i found that similar to the op's problem, the manufacturer doesn't tell me how the loads are distributed to each rail; for instance, my cpu could be hogging one entire rail to itself and all the other power cords from the psu devoted to everything else could be running off of another rail. Since multiple independent 12v rails have a max of 20 amp load, if one rail does indeed power my card and everything else (e.g. 2 dvd drives a hard drive a floppy drive etc) then my power needs might exceed the ampere load for one rail, and my comp would freeze or crash. So assuming this is the problem, which would make sense, as the op had the same one, i am going to buy a single rail 650 watt supply with the good chance this will fix my issues as well.
i am now really jealous you do have a micro center near you lucid :P, but actually i am purchasing the 650 watt version of the psu you bought, thx for the idea http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0273361
i am now really jealous you do have a micro center near you lucid :P, but actually i am purchasing the 650 watt version of the psu you bought, thx for the idea http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0273361
LucidSnake
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yes sry i didn't post back earlier, i did some serious researching last night about the advantages of single and multiple rail psu's, and yes my psu is 40 amps on all 12v rails, which u think would do the trick right? But after some research i found that similar to the op's problem, the manufacturer doesn't tell me how the loads are distributed to each rail; for instance, my cpu could be hogging one entire rail to itself and all the other power cords from the psu devoted to everything else could be running off of another rail. Since multiple independent 12v rails have a max of 20 amp load, if one rail does indeed power my card and everything else (e.g. 2 dvd drives a hard drive a floppy drive etc) then my power needs might exceed the ampere load for one rail, and my comp would freeze or crash. So assuming this is the problem, which would make sense, as the op had the same one, i am going to buy a single rail 650 watt supply with the good chance this will fix my issues as well.
i am now really jealous you do have a micro center near you lucid :P, but actually i am purchasing the 650 watt version of the psu you bought, thx for the idea http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0273361 |
I had a 700W PSU with 4 12V rails at 18A before and it didn't work, so yeah it has to do with how good the load balancing is on those rails. I found out with mine that the CPU alone took the first two rails, and the last 2 were for "everything else". Clearly not a good load balance considering the 9800GTX+ required the most power.
Got a single 12V rail and now everything works beautifully. Worth a shot anyway, if it doesn't work you can always return it!
EDIT: Corsair PSUs are awesome!
mrvrod
PC specs
cpu: Intel Q6850 Core 2 extreme
ram: 4 x 2gb Corsair
Video: 2 x nVidia 9800gtx
mobo: XFX nForce 790i ultra sli
PSU: 1kW PC Power & Cooling
OS: Vista Ultimate 64
Zero problems with any other games I play!
Basically I've been fighting with this problem since I built my pc about a year ago.
I update to the latest drivers and I can fudge with display settings until I get GW to run (single gpu or sli, vert sync on/off, split frame rendering, etc), then a 'patch' for GW is released and I'm back to crashing until the next driver update!
I am not having psu issues, I am not having cooling issues. I've had GW running fine after previous nVidia driver updates until a new GW update comes along.
If anyone has and new solutions that haven't been posted yet please share them with me, I am at my wits end!
cpu: Intel Q6850 Core 2 extreme
ram: 4 x 2gb Corsair
Video: 2 x nVidia 9800gtx
mobo: XFX nForce 790i ultra sli
PSU: 1kW PC Power & Cooling
OS: Vista Ultimate 64
Zero problems with any other games I play!
Basically I've been fighting with this problem since I built my pc about a year ago.
I update to the latest drivers and I can fudge with display settings until I get GW to run (single gpu or sli, vert sync on/off, split frame rendering, etc), then a 'patch' for GW is released and I'm back to crashing until the next driver update!
I am not having psu issues, I am not having cooling issues. I've had GW running fine after previous nVidia driver updates until a new GW update comes along.
If anyone has and new solutions that haven't been posted yet please share them with me, I am at my wits end!
mrvrod
Anyone...any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated.
Update: I've now also tried compatibility mode for xp with no help. Also, my audio card is the x-fi extreme pci express.
Update: I've now also tried compatibility mode for xp with no help. Also, my audio card is the x-fi extreme pci express.
mrvrod
Update:
I'm at 2hrs and counting in GW. Here is my fix for others to try if they're still having problems. I formatted my Vista partition, reinstalled with Vista 64 w/sp1, and installed ONLY the drivers on windows update that are Vista certified. It worked for me, and luckily windows update had drivers for all my hardware. True the nVidia drivers are a couple steps behind the latest from nVidia, so no physx support yet, but GW WORKS and that's what matters to me!
In short, it had to be driver incompatibility or a corrupt os file.
P.S. Thanks to those who posted. I wanted to try everything else before nuking my os.
I'm at 2hrs and counting in GW. Here is my fix for others to try if they're still having problems. I formatted my Vista partition, reinstalled with Vista 64 w/sp1, and installed ONLY the drivers on windows update that are Vista certified. It worked for me, and luckily windows update had drivers for all my hardware. True the nVidia drivers are a couple steps behind the latest from nVidia, so no physx support yet, but GW WORKS and that's what matters to me!
In short, it had to be driver incompatibility or a corrupt os file.
P.S. Thanks to those who posted. I wanted to try everything else before nuking my os.
mrvrod
Well, I'm back. Everything was running fine, I enjoyed a weeks worth of playing for up to 7 hours at a time, zero crashes. Then the thursday update, and bam! I can't play for more that 1/2 hour without crashing!
I haven't changed or installed anything, the only change was the update!!!! I'm starting to believe in the nVidia conspiracy!
Helllppp!!!
I haven't changed or installed anything, the only change was the update!!!! I'm starting to believe in the nVidia conspiracy!
Helllppp!!!
Snograt
I'm beginning to wonder if your best bet might be to raise a support ticket with ANet. If everything is stable until GW updates, then it must be a problem with GW. Something in your configuration just doesn't play well with GW.
mrvrod
Yeah, I'll try that. I have nothing to lose. But I've read in most forums that I've found that anet just tells everybody it's their card & their problem basically.
So I'm still hoping someone out there has had these problems and found the solution. Hell, I fixed it...till the 2/5/09 patch.
So I'm still hoping someone out there has had these problems and found the solution. Hell, I fixed it...till the 2/5/09 patch.