EveryoneI know tells me to get a warrior over a dervish ..

Lusciious

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21 Jan 2009 at 14:20 - 41

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel View Post

The comparison really isn't as lopsided as you guys suggest. W/D wastes the elite on Warrior's Endurance. A/D loses SY!, and frankly shouldn't be playing scythe to begin with.

Critical Agility is a wasted skill slot when playing for serious. Drunken Master gets you both movement and attack speed, and the armor bonus doesn't stack with SY!
you probably didnt use SY before. SY affects ONLY PARTY members. it doesnt affect the caster who casted it.

i like all 3 so i've all 3.

i personally consider 4 things when choosing my profession. General Pve , Pvp, Farming and looks.

Apparently in General Pve , a warrior = tank ( defensive ) , assassin ( offensive ) , derv ( balanced )

Pvp = Warrior and Assassins are equally good spikers especially with primal rage for warrior and probably palm strike for assassin ( btw i dont use palm strike ) .

Dervish relies on their enchants for their primary attribute to work thus dervishes are more of the helping with spikes type of profession and they've way better healing then both the assassin and the warrior thus we can say that Dervish = Balanced for pvp as well since it can attack as well as it can defend. we all probably know enchant removal would cause a derv to be pretty useless but if you know what you're doing, you should be fine.

Farming = Assassins ftw. Nothing beats SF Farming. so what if SF have been nerfed countless times ? they still. both the dervish and the warrior cant beat assassin farming HM Vaettir farming which allows em to earn about 30k an hour ( Probably the most profitable farm ). and you get really high norn rank like how i got my r9 norn in 5 days of farming vaettirs and made 1.6mil at the same time whilst farming wintersday drops.

Looks = Warrior = Gladiator , primeval , Obby , monument.
Assassin = ancient , vabbian .
Dervish = Primeval , Obby and probably norn as well.

Weapons = Warrior = Pyroclastic axe , Chaos axe , Fellblade , IDS .... alot more .
Assassin = DemonFangs , Dragon Kamas, Storm daggers , Tormented daggers.
Dervish = Draconic scythe ( dyed ) , tormented scythe , clockwork scythe

p.s. these are based on my own opinions so i'd appreciate if you don't flame.

well all i can say is choose the one you like.

good luck

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Originally Posted by Necrotic View Post

So now it's....Warrior vs. Dervish.....what's next Fatelord, Warrior vs. Elementalist? Ranger?

I know you're just trying to get input so you can build the best warrior in the game...but seriously....just try it yourself and make your own decision....after all you do have 8 slots or so to use right? Plus you can always delete it and start over if you find yourself not liking the choice you made. Well as u said I was trying to get input not to get the best warrior ..but to make the best Scythe wielder ..and I decided to go with the Dervish actually ..

If my posts bother you you can choose to ignore them I don't remember asking for your opinion in particular ..

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21 Jan 2009 at 22:48 - 43

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Originally Posted by Maneo Ranae View Post

Dervish=70+Windwalker's (Let's say three enchants)=85
Plus Conviction (24)=109
Plus Avatar of Balthazar (40)=149.

Whatever you say, Warrs can't top that so easily, unless you wanna go for Dolyak's or Defy Pain,...

In other words, you're wasting 3 skill slots, one of which taking an elite, another taking a stance and finally, one taking a PvE skill slot (not to mention it's all selfish defense), to compete with a Warrior in defense?

Quote: Too bad Scythewarrs depend on AOHM for a good part of their damage, since Dervishes can use that one too. What? Does this mean that Dervs without AOHM don't need this to deal good damage? AOHM stacks with everything you have. Asuran Scan, +damage attacks, everything.

Nice joke, but that has got to be the dumbest thing I've heard so far.

Quote: On top of that, they can use pwnage avatars like Avatar of Grenth and Avatar of Lyssa, and maintain them indefinitely (Eternal Aura). Two skill slots, Lyssa loses its bonus in HM often because of mad cast times, the health stealing with Grenth doesn't get buffed. Nothing positive I see but Melandru and Dwayna.

Overall,... I just wouldn't know, I've got both ^^. [/quote]
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Originally Posted by Lucsiious

Dervish relies on their enchants for their primary attribute to work thus dervishes are more of the helping with spikes type of profession and they've way better healing then both the assassin and the warrior thus we can say that Dervish = Balanced for pvp as well since it can attack as well as it can defend. we all probably know enchant removal would cause a derv to be pretty useless but if you know what you're doing, you should be fine. The only self heal that should make it on a Dervish bar is Faithful Intervention. Assassins shouldn't be carrying anything but Restful Breeze, and the Warrior shouldn't be carrying anything but Lions' Comfort. Most of which, shouldn't be used in PvP due to their strengths. You're gaining more using more offensive skills.

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Originally Posted by Darkside

Seriously, who the hell buffs with alcohol on a regular basis? Also, why would you be using cons ALL the time? Alcohol is cheap, so it's a "sure why not?". Cons are often used in elite areas to pretty much half the common speeds, and if you're playing "seriously" you're probably going to be under cons alot - speed is why.

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Originally Posted by fatelord View Post

Today, 09:24 AM Well as u said I was trying to get input not to get the best warrior ..but to make the best Scythe wielder ..and I decided to go with the Dervish actually ..

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Originally Posted by fatelord

Today, 04:22 PM However seriously creating a character that solely depends on enchantments where classes like a mesmer or even an assassin can rend them away easily is a bit stupid ....Dervishes should really be puffed .. rofl

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Originally Posted by fatelord

I tried using the scythe with the warrior and he just doesn't cut it ..spamming dragon slash is much more effective ... WE Scythe > Derv.

Other War builds >/= WE Scythe.

So yeah, lol.

Lusciious

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22 Jan 2009 at 02:56 - 46

yeah . Warriors beat Dervs in pvp. Warriors can easily out tank a derv in pvp because dervishes are alot more complicated to use. for beginners, i'd suggest you go with warriors because warriors don't need lots of skills to be a tank. just get defy pain / dolyak signet and you got urself a basic tank whereas for a derv, you can either use Veils of thorn + armor of sanctity, Avatar of balthazar , avatar of dwayna or conviction but all of them prove to be weaker then defy pain. Avatar of balthazar draws with dolyak signet at rank 15 str. a major rune won't hurt in pve . besides , all the runes you'd be using are HP runes because you don't spam energy, so the -35 hp won't really affect much. and at r15 str, defy pain adds 300hp , 20 armor and -10 damage which is pretty good if you ask me. i usually take dolyak signet. get the monk to cast enchant on you, run in and activate dolyak signet and tank like what a warrior should do.

p.s. tanking jotuns are fun since they cant knock you down. lol .

well i personally think warriors would be better then dervishs, they have more skills as well thus having more variants but a dervish is good if you want some fun in pve and pvp other then just tanking.

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22 Jan 2009 at 05:45 - 47

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Originally Posted by Lusciious View Post

you probably didnt use SY before. SY affects ONLY PARTY members. it doesnt affect the caster who casted it.

Uh, if you're A/D you don't even have SY! - an intelligent person would therefore have realized that I'm obviously talking about SY! from someone else ... say, a paragon. Or a warrior. Don't be an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Darkside

Seriously, who the hell buffs with alcohol on a regular basis? Also, why would you be using cons ALL the time? I buff with alcohol all the time. The stance is up for over a minute, alcohol is dirt cheap, and you earn the title while you play. Sorry, I just don't see what the issue is.

As for cons - you're clearly not reading what I'm writing when I say "playing seriously". If I actually care about the outcome of whatever I'm doing, I'm using at least the Essence just to make things go faster. I honestly can't think of a single reason not to.

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22 Jan 2009 at 11:38 - 49

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

As far as I can tell, the additional armour from these two skills together will still only be +40, and only because AoB is one of those skills which allows you to exceed the +25AL cap, so as far as I can see your figures are slightly off. Just a technicality. You know, I didn't even know that,... Well, never was that armor centred. Thanks for the correction

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22 Jan 2009 at 12:05 - 50

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel View Post

As for cons - you're clearly not reading what I'm writing when I say "playing seriously". If I actually care about the outcome of whatever I'm doing, I'm using at least the Essence just to make things go faster. I honestly can't think of a single reason not to.

I've gone through all of the Hm crap in the game and hardly ever used any cons. The times I did was because other people in the group wanted to. The only time I can understand using cons regularly would be in elite areas because people hate failing at those.

Quote:

Alcohol is cheap, so it's a "sure why not?". Cons are often used in elite areas to pretty much half the common speeds, and if you're playing "seriously" you're probably going to be under cons alot - speed is why. Why not? Personally, I'd find it annoying to open my inventory ever couple minutes to drink something... but hey that's just me. I'm apparently not a "serious player" so who cares.

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Dervish=70+Windwalker's (Let's say three enchants)=85
Plus Conviction (24)=109
Plus Avatar of Balthazar (40)=149. Armor doesn't stack that way friend...edit never mind looks like someone already pointed out your mistake.

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22 Jan 2009 at 13:17 - 51

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Originally Posted by fatelord

hmm from what i have seen thus far ...the warrior is a lot more durable ..the dervish deals more damage esp AOE ...

I tried using the scythe with the warrior and he just doesn't cut it ..spamming dragon slash is much more effective ...However seriously creating a character that solely depends on enchantments where classes like a mesmer or even an assassin can rend them away easily is a bit stupid ....Dervishes should really be puffed .. Assassins do a lot more damage with scythes then a Dervish.
And especially in HM, Warriors will do more damage (armor penetration with strength), too.
In general PvE play, the Dervish is only the 3rd best choice for a scythe.

avilia

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22 Jan 2009 at 13:58 - 52

Most of this has been pointed out already, but let me offer my personal opinion.

Personally, I think warriors are the best melee class. They have high defense (116AL with a shield and the right insignias) that can still be increased with skills, have an ias that's very good for PvE and can inflict massive damage on a single target with [Dragon Slash] while they tank. The disadvantage of a warrior is that you're stuck in the melee role. Dervishes can use an Arcane Orders build, assassin's can go Critical Barrage, but warriors can really only play melee.

A dervish can have an advantage if you do some research before attempting to do a mission/area. If you know what kind of enemies you encounter, a dervish can easily create a build to counter just that. Conditions->Melandru, Hexes->Dwayna, LotsOfMelee->EDA etc.

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Originally Posted by avilia

A dervish can have an advantage if you do some research before attempting to do a mission/area. If you know what kind of enemies you encounter, a dervish can easily create a build to counter just that. Conditions->Melandru, Hexes->Dwayna, LotsOfMelee->EDA etc. Translated: Dervs can build to make up for sucky support.

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22 Jan 2009 at 16:42 - 54

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Originally Posted by avilia

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Originally Posted by Lusciious View Post

Warriors can easily out tank a derv in pvp because dervishes are alot more complicated to use. I lol'd at Dervs being more complicated than Warriors in PvP, and the "out tank a derv in PvP" bit. Either you don't have Frenzy or Bull's Strike on your bar (former discounts hammers, no the double damage isn't the main "area" of misuse of Frenzy - spam Bull's and you'll be missing it a lot unless you're against a complete divv), or you're delusional. Also, adrenaline is a key factor.

Seriously though, can you stop being so... bad?

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22 Jan 2009 at 21:03 - 56

Honestly, just play whatever the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you like. (in PvE)

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22 Jan 2009 at 22:11 - 57

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Originally Posted by Lusciious View Post

yeah . Warriors beat Dervs in pvp.

Not in all cases.

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Originally Posted by Lusciious View Post

Warriors can easily out tank a derv in pvp because dervishes are alot more complicated to use. I'm still a beginner. My first character I played with was a Dervish. You just have to know the concept of the class and how they work. I didn't find it that difficult to follow.

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Originally Posted by Lourens

Warriors can go [Flail]x[Stunning strike] Dervishes can go [Ebon Dust Aura].

avilia

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22 Jan 2009 at 23:38 - 58

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Originally Posted by Lourens

Warriors can go [Flail]x[Stunning strike] Dervishes can go [Heart of Fury][Stunning Strike]
Assassins can go [Critical Agility][Stunning Strike]
Paragons can go [Aggressive Refrain][Stunning Strike]

All of those are a better choice than the Warrior variant you listed (not that the dervish one isn't bad too).

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Originally Posted by avilia

The disadvantage of a warrior is that you're stuck in the melee role. Dervishes can use an Arcane Orders build, assassin's can go Critical Barrage, but warriors can really only play melee.

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Originally Posted by Lourens

Warriors can go [flail]x[stunning strike] Before the guy feels completely misunderstood, jeez. Reading comprehension ftw

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Originally Posted by avilia

All of those are a better choice than the Warrior variant you listed (not that the dervish one isn't bad too). Last I checked Stances are removed a lot less often than Enchantments. Flail's downside means **** to a spearchucker. Not to mention [heart of fury] sucks compared to the lot.

So, /disagree.

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23 Jan 2009 at 09:13 - 60

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Originally Posted by iVendetta

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Originally Posted by Lourens

Warriors can go [Flail]x[Stunning strike] Dervishes can go [Ebon Dust Aura]. To my knowledge every skill in the game has a counter.

A W/P could go [Remedy Signet] if he wanted to...

That doesn't prove very much.

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23 Jan 2009 at 21:58 - 61

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

A W/P could go [Remedy Signet] if he wanted to... You combine [Heart of Fury] with a couple attack skills backed by [Ebon Dust Aura], and I'll be calling you ugly and you won't know if you are.

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So I heard good Dervishes don't do Earth Prayers

Tyla

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I once ran a D/P Blindbot bar in a GvG!

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25 Jan 2009 at 04:21 - 64

Honestly? I have a Warrior, an Assassin, and a Dervish. I don't do PvP (as that bores me) so my opinion might be a bit different, but in PvE you can basically do whatever combo you want and be able to get through things so it's all about setting up what you find to be fun.

And playing a Warrior is just plain boring to me. I almost never touch that character because of how boring I find it. My Assassin gets a lot of play and was my first character that I got to level 20. And it's certainly a fun class, and teleporting all over to attack is fun, though the low armor can screw you up pretty easily.

My Dervish, though? Probably my character with the most play. Honestly, it's just a lot of fun. There's so much flexibility in what you can set up with enchantments. Energy management is not difficult at all, scythes are effectively melee AoE, it's easy to take care of the low armor, and just changing one or two things on your skill bar can give you a completely different build.

The only profession that I see as being nearly as enjoyable and fun to play with as a Dervish is Ritualist, and it's for the same basic reason, how flexible the profession can be.

So unless you want to be the super-best in PvP, then just play around and go with what you personally find to be the most enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

So I heard good Dervishes don't do Earth Prayers So I heard you would be an imbecile to drop a line of defense, healing, and condition galore.

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26 Jan 2009 at 03:23 - 66

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

So I heard good Dervishes don't do Earth Prayers not really, it totally depends on what team you're in, a good nuker team with a dervish running around blinding everyone is pretty scary.

But most people does prefer scythe attacks like reaper sweep though, since it rips enchantments when health is above 50% and cause deep wound under 50%, with some superior runes in Scythe mastery dervish can be really good spikers.

OT: personally after reading this thread, I think there's really no comparison between warrior sin and derv. All have their pros and cons in their own ways, in the hands of an expert all 3 could be pretty effective in their own ways.

And Derv does look cooler imo, warriors are explosive muscles about to be bloated out of their thick armor and sins are just anorexic. Dervs are just right

I end this note with 1 word: Balance

(Think about it)

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I once ran a D/P Blindbot bar in a GvG!

Felt leet didn't it?

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Originally Posted by iVendetta

So I heard you would be an imbecile to drop a line of defense, healing, and condition galore. Defense. Healing. Top priorities for any DPS character. Not to mention [wounding strike] doesn't cut it as far as conditions go.

/sarcasm off

So I heard only trollers without valid arguments resort to name-calling.

Seriously, if your team is so bad that you'd want to spec off Scythe Mastery (= damage) or Mysticism (for IAS duration) for it, I have nothing but pity for you.

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26 Jan 2009 at 16:07 - 68

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Defense. Healing. Top priorities for any DPS character. Not to mention [wounding strike] doesn't cut it as far as conditions go.

You're telling me you wouldn't mind not always having to rely on a monk? And I use Wounding Strike on my Dervish who also relies on Earth Prayers. It is just a good add-on to have.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bobby2 View Post

So I heard only trollers without valid arguments resort to name-calling.

...Pardon my terminology, but it was the most respectable way of saying "idiot". I didn't think something of that nature would really top your lid.

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Seriously, if your team is so bad that you'd want to spec off Scythe Mastery (= damage) or Mysticism (for IAS duration) for it, I have nothing but pity for you. I don't always do.

Tyla

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26 Jan 2009 at 16:53 - 69

Earth Prayers is only worth using in EDA bars or OBFlesh Tanks. Otherwise, you're wasting your time.

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You're telling me you wouldn't mind not always having to rely on a monk? And I use Wounding Strike on my Dervish who also relies on Earth Prayers. It is just a good add-on to have.

No, what I'm telling you is that Earth Prayers suck. I really wonder what skill(s) you're talking about, because from my point of view they're all too crappy to consider spending a slot on.

'I don't always want to rely on a Monk' has since ages been used as an excuse for people to take the most terrible of skills... skill bars, even. But if tanking is what gets your juices flowing, who's to stop you

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...Pardon my terminology, but it was the most respectable way of saying "idiot". I didn't think something of that nature would really top your lid. Don't worry about it

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Just got warrior's endurance and can test my scythe warrior to its full potential now ..._I did some testing on a PVP character before_.

The damage the war deals so far is very high ..not as high as a conjure dervish but is surprisingly close ..Build is
Warrior's endurance
Power attack
Counterattack
victorious sweep
zealous sweep
sprint_would be replaced later by AOTHF.
lion's comfort
Res signet.

The energy management on a warrior is waaaaay better though i spam the attacks like hell without even watching my energy bar ..sad fact remains the utility on the WE scythe isn't much_no KDs no decent DW_ it is all about damage ...

I think the assassin is the better one at using scythes ..still the three classes are very very close so this whole topic was unnecessary ..I take the blame:P.

Cebe

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Originally Posted by fatelord

no decent DW [[Pious Assault] is OK on a Warrior, though the recharge time is quite unhelpful.

Tyla

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28 Jan 2009 at 17:00 - 74

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Originally Posted by Onion Guy

Imo, Dervish for PvE, War for PvP. In PvE you can maintain forms full time, and you have better self heal then a war. In PvP you often need the monk to heal you, and you don't have much prep time when attacking, a war can charge and just attack, in some builds jus spamming attack skills using the high armor for defense. The forms are only taking over a Warrior or Assassin when there's a mad amount of anti-melee in the area - conditions? Assassin. None or one melee and using PnH? Warrior.

Self-heal? We have Monks. Use defensive utility if you want to help the survivability of your party, self-heal is only good in solo farm builds, splitting builds and when it has more than the self-heal.

@Fatelord: Too much energy management, too little IAS. WE is a skill meaning it will stack with a stance, WE should be giving you an immense amount of energy. IAS attacks will be good aswell by fitting as many attacks into a small frame as possible, with Strength and possible +damage in the process.

fatelord

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

@Fatelord: Too much energy management, too little IAS. WE is a skill meaning it will stack with a stance, WE should be giving you an immense amount of energy. IAS attacks will be good aswell by fitting as many attacks into a small frame as possible, with Strength and possible +damage in the process.
You're absolutely right ..i was just messing around forgot to add a stance
WE
flail
power attack
counterattack
victorious sweep
aura of the holy might
save yourselves
res signet

i think that will make the best possible PVE scythe warrior ....it is weird how they gave one of the best energy management moves to the warrior...the dervish could really use a skill like that ....mysticism is well and good ...but WE blows it to Tokyo ...

Shadowfox1125

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28 Jan 2009 at 20:59 - 76

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Originally Posted by iVendetta

So I heard you would be an imbecile to drop a line of defense, healing, and condition galore. Other than more damage output with a WE Scythe warrior, this is exactly the reason why Warriors trump Dervish. Dervish require skills for defense and self-heals for survival while warriors have inherently more armor and as a result, don't use skills for self-heals (at least they shouldn't have to).

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver View Post

[[Pious Assault] is OK on a Warrior, though the recharge time is quite unhelpful.

It's so easy to stick a DW on Hayda, why bother.

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Originally Posted by fatelord

..sad fact remains the utility on the WE scythe isn't much_no KDs no decent DW_ it is all about damage ... I wouldn't call DW utility

As for KDs, it's not like you would have gotten them playing a Derv.

Lastly

[protector's strike] > [counterattack]

[any of them OP PvE skills] > [res sig] (rezzing is a heroes' job.)

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Protector's strike is better than counterattack in PVP ..where everyone moves around and tries to kite ..after trying it for a bit in pve ...nobody moves ...that's why i stuck with counterattack ..despite having double the recharge time..

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29 Jan 2009 at 09:18 - 79

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Originally Posted by Abedeus View Post

Where is your AoE knockdown?

[wounding strike][conjure lightning][whirlwind]

you could easily put that in your build at 5 energy and 8 second recharge, its very spammable.

Or if you like the d/w you could
[wounding strike][wild blow][none shall pass]

just use [[none shall pass] while kiting to make sure the enemies are moving.

Let me simplify what everybody else is trying to say..
A/D = Uni-tasker [way of the master][critical eye]
W/D = Uni-tasker [warriors endurance]
D/X = versitle [wounding strike][avatar of lyssa][reapers sweep][ebon dust aura][arcane zeal][order of pain][vow of silence]

Question: in typical sin scythe builds, do they look like this. [way of the [email protected]][aura of holy [email protected]][critical [email protected]][critical [email protected]][critical [email protected]][eremites [email protected]][mystic [email protected]][reapers [email protected]]

BTW i think the [way of the assassin] nerf blows chunks.

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P/W

29 Jan 2009 at 12:12 - 80

Nobody said that the war beats the Dervish at everything ...We are talking here about their efficacy at wielding scythes ..u should make a PVP character and try the burst of aggression power attack counterattack wild blow combo ....you will see how warriors are ungodly with these attacks ..