Vang' noob in need of help

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Ok, so i decided to start vang'in factions today. I am a Mes/N running a funked up version of discord. Now the first area I wanted to do was Sunqua Vale, and i have noticed it is easy as pie with discord. But my concern is, i do not think my build is strong enough to survive greater areas.

My build is
[skill]Discord[/skill][skill]necrosis[/skill][skill]Cry of pain[/skill][skill]Empathy[/skill][skill] Ether Feast[/skill][skill] Energy Tap[/skill] And [skill] Enfeebling Blood[/skill]

My Atts are
Death :12
Domination :10
Inspiration :9
Fast Casting :6
Curses :4

I have my Master of Whispers running a standard SS build to provide hexes and conditioning if I can't. Dunkoro running a mixture of WoH and condition/hex removal. And finally Souske running Double Dragon and other fire spells.

Like I said I have been smoothing along easily with this build, but I am concerned I won't survive long once I reach the mainland.

I would absolutely love comments and more importantly suggestions on how to kick ass with vanq'in.

Thanks!

You should and will eventually need to have 3 necro heroes running discord if that is the type of build you want to run. You do not need discord since you have necrosis. I would swap discord for another elite of your choosing. I also notice you only have 7 skills. What is your eighth? I would hope it is echo skill for COP. You may want to swap your discord for Echo so that you get twice as much out of COP. If you do that then you could also add You Move Like a Dwarf!, great skill to have on your bar.

As the area get harder you will need a greater damage output, this is where you will really like the 3 necro heroes running discord. You can then set them up as a N/RT healer, N/Mo protector, and a N/Rt MM bomber all spamming discord. They work great. Good luck

As a mesmer myself, I'd like to advocate the following build, which works wonders with Discord heroes...

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Me/N_Crying_Hexer

As a mesmer, running discord on bar seems in efficient, as you can't get your death magic attribute above 12, and you energy management will suck a bit. I used (and designed) the above bar to vanquish all of Cantha and all of Elona. I had to use a conset in exactly one zone to make it through, but that zone is reportedly a difficult one for any build... Tahnakai Temple (SP?).

If you do decide to go with the above build, you may want to vanquish the starting island of Elona first, just to rank up your sunspear levels. Good hunting!

you need to kill 2 temple guardians in tahnakai and you needed cons?

As not every character has not finished the "A Meeting With the Emperor" quest....some of us had to vanquish Tahnnakai Temple the old-fashioned way.

tannakki temple is easy even if you dont have the trick quest were you only kill 2, just bring mesmer, heck bring 2 of them, and some good old dmg dealers, and adios tannaki temple,

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I'd suggest also using Power Drain over Energy Tap.
[Power [email protected]] > [Energy [email protected]] gives more energy back and has better recharge time. Monsters in PVE tend to have large energy pools so the loss of 6 energy has minimal effect on them. Jade Brotherhood Mages (Dragon's Stomp), Temple Guardians (Smoldering Embers and Breath of Fire) and Jade Brotherhood Ritualist (Channeled Strike) make for some easy targets for Power Drain.

And I too recommend taking Archane Echo for [Cry of Pain] and [Visions of Regret] is a better choice of Elite Skill if you're taking Team Discord with you.

You could also use [Ether Nightmare] for your [Cry of Pain] conditional hex.

If you are still having troubles, give me a shout in game and I'll drop off 3 Necro Heroes for your use in the vanquish. US East Coast and my IGN is on the left.

This team build works incredibly well:

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...Man_Discordway

ok back on topic...

as a mesmer your attribute points are spread a bit thin to be very effective. you should really leave the discords to the necros. not sure about that build that bulldozer posted because i didn't look it up. but i'm thinking something like [[assassins promise] should work well for a mesmer with an interrupt or two, namely [[cry of pain] and [[cry of frustration] along with a mesmer hex or two, [[finish him] and/or [[you move lik], [[ether nightmare], yada, yada, yada...

to run discord, you should be using 3 necro heros each of whom have [[discord] in their bar. one minion master, one healer and maybe one curses depending on the area you're in.

for 4 man areas maybe something like:

nec 1: [discord][animate bone min][animate shamb][death nova][blood of the master][foul feast][infuse condition][dwayna's sorr]
nec 2: [discord][animate shamb][life][protective was][spirit light][mend body and soul][signet of lost][flesh of my flesh]
nec 3: [discord][animate shamb][aegis][reversal of fort][remove hex][protective spir][resurrection chant][signet of lost]

basically, it's your job to call the target and apply the conditions and hexes for the necros to use their discords, because if you don't do it, it won't get done properly. for 8 man areas, you can drop the monk skills on nec 3 and add in things like [[barbs], [[mark of pain], [[shadow of fear], [[enfeebling blood], [[weaken armor], etc... then you can bring the monk henchies and some extra damage dealers. you also don't really need everyone to carry animate shambling horror but they cause conditions and since you're not running [[jagged bones] it makes it a little tougher to run out of minions.

anyway, just my thoughts. i'm sure some will disagree with me but i do something like this with my monk and it's fairly effective.

for you i would reccommend running the discordway.

Wiki gives a good explanation so i'll save you from my terrible english and spelling mistakes

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discord_Spam
^ Ive been using that for all the VQs ive done up to date. Once you get a real feel for the build and the technique of playing you will breeze through every VQ.

Tips:
1.Bring AoE hexs + conditions. This build needs to make kills quickly if it is to be successful. and to do that you need both a hex and a condition on the target. when fighting foes like the jade brotherhood i would reccommend bringing big aoe hexs so they can waste there hex removal skill on the 'non spike hexs'.

2.Don't forget the Ebon vanguard sin if u choose to use him uses [skill] iron palm [/skill] with this and [skill] You Move Like A Dwarf [/skill] you can keep the target KD'd until it dies. this is a extreamly useful so good timing with the KD skills is important.

3. Beware skills such as.... [skill] Reverse Hex [/skill] [skill] Expel Hexes [/skill] [skill] Peace and Harmony [/skill]
You should be able to catch most hex removal skills with [skill] You Move Like A Dwarf [/skill] however the above skills are the ones that have caused me the most grief
good luck if u have anymore questions about discordway pm me on forum or ingame (or post here ofc)
as a caster you really should condsider running discord imo its the best option. the 'Sabway' imo is more melee/para/ranger friendly

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